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aeromast
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Maryland ID/help appreciated.
#14297063 - 04/15/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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We are suppossed to get nailed by a huge storm so we did what anyone would do; went mushroom hunting to pass the possible duration of the coming storm. Some may know of our last endeavour;
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14270593/fpart/1/vc/1
hopefully this time will prove more fruitful. None for the kids. They are locked in the basement drying infront of a fan.
Habitat: Wooded forest in Maryland, next to beltway[covered in leaves and brush.] Gills: Dark brown with white spores[?]/unattatched.
Stem: Length; 2 to 5 in. diameter; 1 to 2 in. color; egg white to beige. texture; smooth with lines running up them. solid stem, with small hollow vein in middle, thick. Cap: size of a dime to size of a silver dollar, light brown to beige. texture; spherical, convex.
Spore print color: Dark grey to black.
Bruising: None noted.
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Second ones are;
Habitat: Wooded forest in Maryland, next to beltway poking up through twigs and weeds. Gills: Light brown/unattatched
Stem: Length; 3 in. diameter; diameter of a standard carpenters nail.[sorry D:] color; beige texture; smooth. hollow stem, extremely thin. Cap: diameter of a quarter. Light beige to brown. texture; conical, convex.
Spore print color: TBA Bruising: None noted.
Other information:


We are hoping either of the two to be Panaeolus cinctulus. give us good news after a huge setback[for us..]?
Edited by aeromast (04/15/11 06:47 PM)
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: aeromast]
#14297110 - 04/15/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would have better pictures of the first set in a full cluster as we picked it, but my horrible phone crapped out on me. Should I seperate the cluster into singles to air dry?
Spore prints are coming; the caps are sitting on white paper as we speak.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: aeromast]
#14297120 - 04/15/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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SERIOUSLY?
You poisoned/nearly killed your sisters brother with Galerina Marginatas and now, several days later you're out looking for mushrooms AGAIN! Stop going around, picking up random LBM's and going "Woot, they dis magick!!".

Please, I hope to god this is an epic troll that has went all this way for the luls.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: aeromast]
#14297128 - 04/15/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The second one looks like a Psathyrella species. What were the first ones growing from? The substrate is really important. It's not enough to know that they were poking out of leaves, it's more important what was underneath the leaves.
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German Kahuna said: The second one looks like a Psathyrella species. What were the first ones growing from? The substrate is really important. It's not enough to know that they were poking out of leaves, it's more important what was underneath the leaves.
Dirt. There was a root system underneath them.
Daz, you have to get back on the horse.. And /I/ didnt almost do anything. he ate them.
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Looking at the greenish/grey gills and yellow-ochre cap, I'd venture to satsay they are something akin to Hypholoma fasciculare for number one.
Was the stem pretty tough?. I found it easier to remove the cap from the stem than the stem from the ground when I found some.
Edited by Ieponumos (04/15/11 06:29 PM)
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Ieponumos]
#14297198 - 04/15/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Clearly I have alot to learn about mushroom colour if those are green. I learn more each time I post here.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: aeromast]
#14297210 - 04/15/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The stems are more ugh.. Well not per say tough. They bend and splint or tear vertically when I try to bend.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Ieponumos]
#14297215 - 04/15/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, that's what I thought as well. I just wanted to know what they were growing from. Usually you will find them growing from rotting tree stumps, but I've seen them growing from what seemed to be just dirt and grass:
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: aeromast]
#14297221 - 04/15/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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aeromast said: Clearly I have alot to learn about mushroom colour if those are green. I learn more each time I post here. 
Nah. the look more gray on second examination. It's just a guess. Keep that in mind.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Ieponumos]
#14297229 - 04/15/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pretty sure #1 is Lacrymaria velutina.
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German Kahuna said: Yes, that's what I thought as well. I just wanted to know what they were growing from. Usually you will find them growing from rotting tree stumps, but I've seen them growing from what seemed to be just dirt and grass:

The ones I found were growing from very well decayed wood and were nigh terrestrial looking. The primary reason I knew a decaying pine stump had been there as there were also Ganoderma and a Pluteus species growing in the same little area.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Ieponumos]
#14297243 - 04/15/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Should I treat as poisonous and toss? There was a large cluster of them. I count nine, with two small pins. They were amidst fallen tree bark chunks, the tree is alive, though.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Bobzimmer]
#14297244 - 04/15/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: Pretty sure #1 is Lacrymaria velutina.
It could be L. velutina by the way he decribed the print and stem. But OP didn't mention the fine pubescence upon the pileus, which I figure would be noticeable. 
Was the cap fuzzy OP?
Also, you think it possible we could get a picture of your spore print?
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Ieponumos]
#14297256 - 04/15/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Caps were not fuzzy. Im still a total noob, sorry. 
My phone is a touchscreen and completely nuked. So no. D:
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Ieponumos]
#14297258 - 04/15/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey aeromast, you should really try to get a hold of a better camera and get familiar with its macro mode. It seems like you are into fungi, so trust me. It's very wisely invested money. Always try to get a pic of the mushroom in it's habitat (not too close-up), detailed shots of cap from the top and stipe and cap from the side, lamellae and the very base of the stipe as well. Check the pictures you take against what you see. If the colors are off, either adjust on your camera (RTFM) or go postproduction with an image manipulation software.
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On second look, they have gills /unattatched/ from the stem.. Or attatched further up than I can see.
I edited the first post to reflect this.
Edited by aeromast (04/15/11 06:46 PM)
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I am.. Im just also bad at putting what I see into words..
Does anyone else have an opinion before I just give up on all this business?
Edited by aeromast (04/15/11 07:05 PM)
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: aeromast]
#14297518 - 04/15/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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#2 are Bolbitius vitellinus pretty sure. Or something similar. From the bottom at least, #1 looks like Leratiomyces percevalii.
Thats my best guess, as its been stated - better pictures help immensely.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Lhun]
#14297677 - 04/15/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Leratiomyces percevalii doesn't grow in Maryland.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Bobzimmer]
#14297720 - 04/15/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe a Stropharia sp.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Bobzimmer]
#14297721 - 04/15/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: Leratiomyces percevalii doesn't grow in Maryland.
Good call Bob, certainly not L. percevalii. Lacrymaria velutina is a better fit overall anyhow, as you said.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Lhun]
#14297769 - 04/15/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah,it probably is L.velutia but op said the caps were smooth.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: aeromast]
#14299631 - 04/16/11 05:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: The second one looks like a Psathyrella species. What were the first ones growing from? The substrate is really important. It's not enough to know that they were poking out of leaves, it's more important what was underneath the leaves.
Daz, you have to get back on the horse.. And /I/ didnt almost do anything. he ate them.
You picked them and you left them out, in touching range of everyone. So umm yeh.... it is your fault.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: daz01]
#14299770 - 04/16/11 06:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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daz01 said: Generally, if it's been after 24 hours and noone is vomitting their insides out, you got lucky Not sure what the first is, but isn't the picture that you "think" it looked like a Galerina!?  The second is a Coprinus micaceus, I think.
But seriously, your friend is fucking stupid.
If you had read the post carefully, you'd know it wasn't his friend, it was his girlfriend's little brother. Why didn't you ID the Deadly Galerina at this point and urge medical care? Actually you gave the wrong advice, which if went unchecked, could have lead to the kid's death .
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aeromast said:and after extinguishing most of the internet resources that I could find, I come to you, humble Shroomerites.
Of which you obviously did not do much resource searching. Mushroom picking requires common sense. A simple Google search would of had suffice... had a look at the list of poisonous mushrooms, seen Galerinas and thought "Oh, shit... time to head to hospital, better safe than sorry!" You obviously seen a photo of Galerina marginatas and posted it here as the "lookalike" so why did you ignore it?
Perhaps a troll? 
It's obvious that aeromast is so new to mushrooms that he can't distinguish Galerina marginata from Panaeolus subbalteatus. Weren't you the first to make the false claim of trollism? Pretty obvious that it wasn't. If you knew the dangers and refused to help and in fact, hinder; then doesn't that make you also responsible for any injury? Why don't you get your head straight.
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daz01 said: I seriously still think this guy is trolling.
First, he says the guy woke up sweating and vomitting then, he contradicts himself and asks if he should be worried and if he should take him to the hospital, even though all through out the topic everyone clearly mentioned the words Galerina, marginata, toxic, deadly, painful and death. Then, says he's "waiting" for unnecessary people arriving (yet again, even though it's clearly been stated throughout here the mushrooms he ate WILL kill him) i.e. The object of a troll is getting the emoticons flaring, getting people angry, frustrated, etc. Meanwhile, he's sat on his computer/mobile phone "updating" an internet forum when someone is dying and he's partly involved in it. 
He knew everything about an offical ID request, this forum and shit but yet, his mind never thought about the fatal risks. Perhaps I just can't comprehend this amount of stupidity but, personally, I literally read more on deadly mushrooms than magic mushrooms when I first became interested in this. Natural selection at its best.
If you've read so much, then why didn't you ID them as Galerina marginata and tell them to rush to the hospital? Instead you thought it more helpful to hurl insults.
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daz01 said: SERIOUSLY?
You poisoned/nearly killed your sisters brother with Galerina Marginatas and now, several days later you're out looking for mushrooms AGAIN! Stop going around, picking up random LBM's and going "Woot, they dis magick!!".

Please, I hope to god this is an epic troll that has went all this way for the luls.
Wrong again. It wasn't his sister's brother who ate the mushrooms, it was his girlfriend's brother. If you'd bothered to read the post carefully, you'd know that it wasn't aeromast who brought the mushrooms home; it was his girlfriend. It isn't like they left them out in front of a toddler. The kid snatched them and paid the price for it. This doesn't seem to be a troll. In fact, I'd say you are trolling right now by your own definition and following him to other threads to do it. Wtf?
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: daz01]
#14299787 - 04/16/11 07:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can be wrong, but the first specimen looks a very young one, the cap doesn't look completely developed, and if that's he case the gills definitive color could end up being different.
Aeromast, I think it's great being a Fungi enthusiast but it's a vast and complex kingdom from which we all have much to learn, I've done mushroom identification for 2 seasons now and haven't dare to eat any, even if in some cases I'm 99% sure they're edible, I rather wait until I'm 100% sure, as the risks aren't worth it.
You should probably try and learn something from mushrooms and their identification(there are plenty of books available), and while you are new at it picking up only one specimen to study instead of taking home the whole cluster, some are protected species.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Bobzimmer]
#14299791 - 04/16/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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daz01 said: Generally, if it's been after 24 hours and noone is vomitting their insides out, you got lucky Not sure what the first is, but isn't the picture that you "think" it looked like a Galerina!?  The second is a Coprinus micaceus, I think.
But seriously, your friend is fucking stupid.
If you had read the post carefully, you'd know it wasn't his friend, it was his girlfriend's little brother. Why didn't you ID the Deadly Galerina at this point and urge medical care? Actually you gave the wrong advice, which if went unchecked, could have lead to the kid's death .
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aeromast said:and after extinguishing most of the internet resources that I could find, I come to you, humble Shroomerites.
Of which you obviously did not do much resource searching. Mushroom picking requires common sense. A simple Google search would of had suffice... had a look at the list of poisonous mushrooms, seen Galerinas and thought "Oh, shit... time to head to hospital, better safe than sorry!" You obviously seen a photo of Galerina marginatas and posted it here as the "lookalike" so why did you ignore it?
Perhaps a troll? 
It's obvious that aeromast is so new to mushrooms that he can't distinguish Galerina marginata from Panaeolus subbalteatus. Weren't you the first to make the false claim of trollism? Pretty obvious that it wasn't. If you knew the dangers and refused to help and in fact, hinder; then doesn't that make you also responsible for any injury? Why don't you get your head straight.
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daz01 said: I seriously still think this guy is trolling.
First, he says the guy woke up sweating and vomitting then, he contradicts himself and asks if he should be worried and if he should take him to the hospital, even though all through out the topic everyone clearly mentioned the words Galerina, marginata, toxic, deadly, painful and death. Then, says he's "waiting" for unnecessary people arriving (yet again, even though it's clearly been stated throughout here the mushrooms he ate WILL kill him) i.e. The object of a troll is getting the emoticons flaring, getting people angry, frustrated, etc. Meanwhile, he's sat on his computer/mobile phone "updating" an internet forum when someone is dying and he's partly involved in it. 
He knew everything about an offical ID request, this forum and shit but yet, his mind never thought about the fatal risks. Perhaps I just can't comprehend this amount of stupidity but, personally, I literally read more on deadly mushrooms than magic mushrooms when I first became interested in this. Natural selection at its best.
If you've read so much, then why didn't you ID them as Galerina marginata and tell them to rush to the hospital? Instead you thought it more helpful to hurl insults.
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daz01 said: SERIOUSLY?
You poisoned/nearly killed your sisters brother with Galerina Marginatas and now, several days later you're out looking for mushrooms AGAIN! Stop going around, picking up random LBM's and going "Woot, they dis magick!!".

Please, I hope to god this is an epic troll that has went all this way for the luls.
Wrong again. It wasn't his sister's brother who ate the mushrooms, it was his girlfriend's brother. If you'd bothered to read the post carefully, you'd know that it wasn't aeromast who brought the mushrooms home; it was his girlfriend. It isn't like they left them out in front of a toddler. The kid snatched them and paid the price for it. This doesn't seem to be a troll. In fact, I'd say you are trolling right now by your own definition and following him to other threads to do it. Wtf?
Well said, and at the end of they day lets say hypothetically it was aeromast who picked and consumed the mushrooms unknowingly (which it quite clearly wasn't) Why does this somehow mean that he should never look for mushrooms again?!? I have no doubt he has learnt from somebody elses actions quite well, and will probably be more caustious than most in the future.
At the end of the day we all make mistakes it's how we learn, and I have no doubt lessons were learned from this one, banging on about it after the fact doesn't help anything.
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Bobzimmer]
#14300273 - 04/16/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: If you had read the post carefully, you'd know it wasn't his friend, it was his girlfriend's little brother. Why didn't you ID the Deadly Galerina at this point and urge medical care? Actually you gave the wrong advice, which if went unchecked, could have lead to the kid's death .
Reading comprehension? Obviously, I'm not confident enough in my abilities to actually say "It IS.". I assumed the "those look like Galerina" would of had been enough for the guy to use his initative and do something.
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Bobzimmer said: It's obvious that aeromast is so new to mushrooms that he can't distinguish Galerina marginata from Panaeolus subbalteatus. Weren't you the first to make the false claim of trollism? Pretty obvious that it wasn't. If you knew the dangers and refused to help and in fact, hinder; then doesn't that make you also responsible for any injury? Why don't you get your head straight.
Like I said last time, I simply could not comprehend how stupid someone (whether that's consuming the mushrooms yourself or leaving them around in reach of a "kid") could be. EVERY single mushroom hunting guide designed for new people have the clear warnings about the risks and chance of death.
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Bobzimmer said: If you've read so much, then why didn't you ID them as Galerina marginata and tell them to rush to the hospital? Instead you thought it more helpful to hurl insults.
Emm.... by the time I made that post, about 50 people had said go to hospital and 99% of people said they were Galerinas. They were not insults (!?), just my opinion on the current state of the topic.
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Bobzimmer said: Wrong again. It wasn't his sister's brother who ate the mushrooms, it was his girlfriend's brother. If you'd bothered to read the post carefully, you'd know that it wasn't aeromast who brought the mushrooms home; it was his girlfriend. It isn't like they left them out in front of a toddler. The kid snatched them and paid the price for it. This doesn't seem to be a troll. In fact, I'd say you are trolling right now by your own definition and following him to other threads to do it. Wtf?
Simple mistype on the sister part, use your common sense bro  They were both hunting and I assumed they went home (girl and boyfriends live together, yeah, maybe the brother was visiting?) and left the mushrooms unattended on the kitchen (?) table.
It's called responsibility. If you have a kid walking around, you're not gonna leave the cupboard open with the lid on a bleach bottle loose. You're not gonna leave a sharp knife lying the sofa. Exact same principles.
Perhaps I was a bit upfront and blatant with my posts so I aplogise for that but I was just shocked
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Ieponumos]
#14334196 - 04/22/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ieponumos said: Looking at the greenish/grey gills and yellow-ochre cap, I'd venture to satsay they are something akin to Hypholoma fasciculare for number one.
Was the stem pretty tough?. I found it easier to remove the cap from the stem than the stem from the ground when I found some.
not sulfur tufts imo
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Re: Maryland ID/help appreciated. [Re: Bobzimmer]
#14334476 - 04/22/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: Pretty sure #1 is Lacrymaria velutina.
that would be my guess.
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