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OrgoneConclusion said: No, not a list.
What is the one definitive thing that you want to do before you die. (No, not bang Shakira. ) Something that you are actively working towards or at least planning to, and not just wishing or dreaming about.
I had wanted to become rich playing poker on the internet. My whole being was wrapped up in that goal. What a difference a day makes.
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Poid]
#14300706 - 04/16/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: Like that'll happen. 
Maybe. But I am working on it. And when I die I can say I have worked on it and done my best I could.
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Simms]
#14301906 - 04/16/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I want to have a family and find happiness without drugs. I don't know which of those comes first though..
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Simms]
#14302292 - 04/16/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: Like that'll happen. 
Maybe. But I am working on it. And when I die I can say I have worked on it and done my best I could.
You can't say shit when you're dead.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Bang a woman other than my future ex-wife. If that happens to be Shakira, I'm cool with that.
-------------------- Lois, this family believes in the Easter Bunny. He died for our sins in that helicopter crash. Now, if you wanna go to hell, that's fine, but don't drag the rest of us down with you like a mentally handicapped rooster. - Peter Griffin (Family Guy)
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Poid]
#14307656 - 04/17/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: Like that'll happen. 
Maybe. But I am working on it. And when I die I can say I have worked on it and done my best I could.
You can't say shit when you're dead. 
Not when I am dead, but when I die. Ie dying.
But yes, you are definately right. I have already understood that life is 'as is' and there isn't even point in making the best of it, as it just doesn't matter at all. When person dies, he dies, there is nothing left, conciousness dissapears, and even that last thought before death, be it good or bad, does not matter at all. So, all a man has to do is just deal with whatever comes at his way or just die. I chose the first one, being happy while dieing isn't followed by much great logic, its just a goal I have set to have something to do.
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Simms]
#14307951 - 04/17/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: Like that'll happen. 
Maybe. But I am working on it. And when I die I can say I have worked on it and done my best I could.
You can't say shit when you're dead. 
Not when I am dead, but when I die. Ie dying.
It appears to me that, for some reason, you think your death will be gradual, as opposed to sudden. 
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Simms said: But yes, you are definately right. I have already understood that life is 'as is' and there isn't even point in making the best of it, as it just doesn't matter at all.
There is a point to make the best of it--hoping for "ultimate happiness" (whatever that means...) is a waste of time, however.
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Simms said: When person dies, he dies, there is nothing left, conciousness dissapears, and even that last thought before death, be it good or bad, does not matter at all.
You don't even know that for sure. 
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Simms said: So, all a man has to do is just deal with whatever comes at his way or just die. I chose the first one, being happy while dieing isn't followed by much great logic, its just a goal I have set to have something to do.
I think there's plenty of logic in trying to make the best out of life.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Poid]
#14308017 - 04/17/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: It appears to me that, for some reason, you think your death will be gradual, as opposed to sudden. 
Gradual or sudden, what difference does it make? If it is gradual, then I can think I purused something great in my life, if sudden, then I will never feel much anything. I prepare for gradual death, but I don't deny sudden death, there is nothing I can do about it.
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Simms said: But yes, you are definately right. I have already understood that life is 'as is' and there isn't even point in making the best of it, as it just doesn't matter at all.
There is a point to make the best of it--hoping for "ultimate happiness" (whatever that means...) is a waste of time, however.
Ultimate happiness -- the personal individual state of happiness, from where one cannot imagine being even more happy. Who said I am hoping for? I said I am working on it. But I ask from you what "making the best of it" means? Anything specific? It seems to me we are talking about the same thing here, you just want to argue.
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Simms said: When person dies, he dies, there is nothing left, conciousness dissapears, and even that last thought before death, be it good or bad, does not matter at all.
You don't even know that for sure. 
Yes, I don't. So I prepare myself for the both ways, pursuing ultimate hapiness. There are million imaginable possibilities of what could happen after death, but I draw the line here.
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Simms said: So, all a man has to do is just deal with whatever comes at his way or just die. I chose the first one, being happy while dieing isn't followed by much great logic, its just a goal I have set to have something to do.
I think there's plenty of logic in trying to make the best out of life.
Please explain what "making the best of life" means and share your point of logic.
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Simms]
#14308152 - 04/17/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Simms said: But yes, you are definately right. I have already understood that life is 'as is' and there isn't even point in making the best of it, as it just doesn't matter at all.
There is a point to make the best of it--hoping for "ultimate happiness" (whatever that means...) is a waste of time, however.
Ultimate happiness -- the personal individual state of happiness, from where one cannot imagine being even more happy. Who said I am hoping for? I said I am working on it. But I ask from you what "making the best of it" means? Anything specific? It seems to me we are talking about the same thing here, you just want to argue.
No, we're not talking about the same thing--you want to work towards "ultimate happiness", that's different than "making the best of it" because there is no hope or goal to be ultimately happy.
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Simms said: So, all a man has to do is just deal with whatever comes at his way or just die. I chose the first one, being happy while dieing isn't followed by much great logic, its just a goal I have set to have something to do.
I think there's plenty of logic in trying to make the best out of life.
Please explain what "making the best of life" means and share your point of logic.
"making the best of life" is self-explanatory.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Poid]
#14310516 - 04/18/11 05:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Simms said: But yes, you are definately right. I have already understood that life is 'as is' and there isn't even point in making the best of it, as it just doesn't matter at all.
There is a point to make the best of it--hoping for "ultimate happiness" (whatever that means...) is a waste of time, however.
Ultimate happiness -- the personal individual state of happiness, from where one cannot imagine being even more happy. Who said I am hoping for? I said I am working on it. But I ask from you what "making the best of it" means? Anything specific? It seems to me we are talking about the same thing here, you just want to argue.
No, we're not talking about the same thing--you want to work towards "ultimate happiness", that's different than "making the best of it" because there is no hope or goal to be ultimately happy.
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Simms said: So, all a man has to do is just deal with whatever comes at his way or just die. I chose the first one, being happy while dieing isn't followed by much great logic, its just a goal I have set to have something to do.
I think there's plenty of logic in trying to make the best out of life.
Please explain what "making the best of life" means and share your point of logic.
"making the best of life" is self-explanatory.
I gave a specific definition of what ultimate happiness is. And as it can only be experienced, and it may never come, I thrive for it and therefore make the best of my life. Do you disagree? If yes, give definition.
"Making the best of life" is the same as thriving ultimatye happiness, because the best is ultimate. And I assume you can not know for certain if you have made the best for life or not, so you only hope that you do/did. In your terms, I think you mean more like living 'as is'.
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Simms]
#14311244 - 04/18/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Making the best of life does not necessarily include the goal of ultimate happiness, while striving for ultimate happiness necessarily does; that is the difference between the two.
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Poid]
#14311265 - 04/18/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: Making the best of life does not necessarily include the goal of ultimate happiness, while striving for ultimate happiness necessarily does; that is the difference between the two.
As you stated it, it can, but does not have to. So, we are on an agreement?
What does "best of" mean? Fucking two girls at once? Is it for happiness? Are you constantly looking for ways to be more happy in the long term? How does one really define "best" and how does one know if he has reached "the best"?
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Simms]
#14311289 - 04/18/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Simms said: What does "best of" mean? Fucking two girls at once? Is it for happiness? Are you constantly looking for ways to be more happy in the long term? How does one really define "best" and how does one know if he has reached "the best"?
Making the best out of life is doing your best to make life as good as possible.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Poid]
#14311302 - 04/18/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Simms said: What does "best of" mean? Fucking two girls at once? Is it for happiness? Are you constantly looking for ways to be more happy in the long term? How does one really define "best" and how does one know if he has reached "the best"?
Making the best out of life is doing your best to make life as good as possible.
You are avoiding the question, you explained an undefinite term with another undefinite term. Isn't the goal here ultimate happiness -- ultimate goodness in life? In what point those two don't connect for you?
I say you did set a life goal with that sentence. Good life is the goal.
But how does one know he has done the best?
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Simms]
#14311335 - 04/18/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Simms said: Isn't the goal here ultimate happiness -- ultimate goodness in life?
Again, not necessarily--one can make the best out of life while acknowledging that "ultimate happiness" is nothing but a pipe dream. 
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Simms said: I say you did set a life goal with that sentence. Good life is the goal.
"Good life" and "ultimate happiness" are not the same thing.
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Simms said: But how does one know he has done the best?
One cannot do anything other than one's best.
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Poid]
#14312358 - 04/18/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Simms said: Isn't the goal here ultimate happiness -- ultimate goodness in life?
Again, not necessarily--one can make the best out of life while acknowledging that "ultimate happiness" is nothing but a pipe dream. 
In this case, the aknowledgement itself can be state of ultimate hapiness, because as I explained earlier: ultimate hapiness is a state where one can not be even happier.
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Simms said: I say you did set a life goal with that sentence. Good life is the goal.
"Good life" and "ultimate happiness" are not the same thing.
Why not? It most certainly can be.
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One cannot do anything other than one's best.
Are you saying that one can not do his worst?
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Simms]
#14312423 - 04/18/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Simms said: Isn't the goal here ultimate happiness -- ultimate goodness in life?
Again, not necessarily--one can make the best out of life while acknowledging that "ultimate happiness" is nothing but a pipe dream. 
In this case, the aknowledgement itself can be state of ultimate hapiness, because as I explained earlier: ultimate hapiness is a state where one can not be even happier.
Yeah, and making the best out of life doesn't necessarily entail being in that state.
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Simms said: I say you did set a life goal with that sentence. Good life is the goal.
"Good life" and "ultimate happiness" are not the same thing.
Why not? It most certainly can be.
Key word 'can'.
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Simms said: But how does one know he has done the best?
One cannot do anything other than one's best.
Are you saying that one can not do his worst?
I'm saying that, even when one is doing their worst, they're trying their best.
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Poid]
#14315776 - 04/19/11 06:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: I'm saying that, even when one is doing their worst, they're trying their best. 
I disagree. One can not try enough and fail, regretting it afterwards.
You can argue, that in that certain mindset he did his best, since something prevented him to make a decision to do even better, but IF he had a moment of question "do I have to do better or is this enough?" then it is possible to do better in this context, since he made a concious decision.
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Re: The Bucket Item [Re: Simms]
#14316561 - 04/19/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I disagree. One can not try enough and fail, regretting it afterwards.
You can argue, that in that certain mindset he did his best, since something prevented him to make a decision to do even better, but IF he had a moment of question "do I have to do better or is this enough?" then it is possible to do better in this context...
It's possible, but the fact of the matter is that he didn't--he did his best.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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