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Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization
    #14295648 - 04/15/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization
April 15, 2011 - Reason.tv



"We are making remarkable momentum with respect to changing the marijuana laws," says Ethan Nadelmann, founder and executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, which promotes alternatives to the war on drugs.

Reason.tv caught up with Nadelmann at the Drug Policy Alliance's re:FORM Art Auction in Los Angeles, where he pointed out that the only way to move forward on marijuana legalization is for states to start taking risks by abandoning prohibition laws and setting up the conflict with the feds.

"That's how alcohol prohibition ended, that's how marijuana prohibition and ultimately drug prohibition are going to end."

Topics include: Grading President Obama on drug policy; the new congress's stanch on the drug war; legalization in Portugal and the future of legalization.

Interview by Ted Balaker; Shot by Hawk Jensen and Alex Manning; Edited by Paul Detrick and Jensen.


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Re: Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization [Re: veggie]
    #14295991 - 04/15/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

He is a very good pubic speaker in my opinion.


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Re: Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization [Re: withoutawire]
    #14296199 - 04/15/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well said. ::Terrorist Fist Bump::


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Re: Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization [Re: batman returns]
    #14296212 - 04/15/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

what an amazing figure head for the non-profit, obviously knows what he is talking about and speaks very clearly and confidently, definitely hesitates less and sounds more logical then the Moms and Priest preaching for prohibition


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Re: Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14296372 - 04/15/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

of course nadelmann conveniently ignores the elephant () in the room ..the prison companies control all the campaign funding..and their shills control congress...

that means that the prison companies will lobby for more laws to push more ppl into their "market"..primarily by accelerating the war on marijuana...this will in turn generate more profits..a portion of which will go right back into lobbying...

if that sounds like a vicious circle..its not ..its a downward spiral...once established.. such a runaway growth cycle simply cannot even be slowed down..let alone stopped or reversed...so nadelmann is basically wasting his breath trying to fight a law of nature...


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Re: Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization [Re: Annapurna1]
    #14296381 - 04/15/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Annapurna1 said:
of course nadelmann conveniently ignores the elephant () in the room ..the prison companies control all the campaign funding..and their shills control congress...

that means that the prison companies will lobby for more laws to push more ppl into their "market"..primarily by accelerating the war on marijuana...this will in turn generate more profits..a portion of which will go right back into lobbying...

if that sounds like a vicious circle..its not ..its a downward spiral...once established.. such a runaway growth cycle simply cannot even be slowed down..let alone stopped or reversed...so nadelmann is basically wasting his breath trying to fight a law of nature...





ignores? wtf he talked about both the prison-industrial and drug war complex..


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Re: Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14296442 - 04/15/11 04:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Here's a quick one for those here who have some political leanings, reason tv is a libertarian news organization, that being said, what is the libertarian viewpoint on privatizing the criminal justice system, as has been seen with our prisons. The private prison system is mentioned in this video as being a proponent for prohibition, and as far as I'm aware the libertarians are all in favor of government privatization.


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Re: Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14296455 - 04/15/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Annapurna1 said:
of course nadelmann conveniently ignores the elephant () in the room ..the prison companies control all the campaign funding..and their shills control congress...

that means that the prison companies will lobby for more laws to push more ppl into their "market"..primarily by accelerating the war on marijuana...this will in turn generate more profits..a portion of which will go right back into lobbying...

if that sounds like a vicious circle..its not ..its a downward spiral...once established.. such a runaway growth cycle simply cannot even be slowed down..let alone stopped or reversed...so nadelmann is basically wasting his breath trying to fight a law of nature...





ignores? wtf he talked about both the prison-industrial and drug war complex..




OK.. so apparently i was wrong and nadelmann has finally caught a glimpse of the elephant...but nadelmann still had to acknowledge the problem of house repugs (so he did see an elephant).. who are heavily favoured to win more house seats and the senate in 2012 (the POTUS remains up for grabs at this point)...

with all the political trends accelerating in the wrong direction.. the drug war will continue to escalate as i discussed in my earlier post...nadelmann might have seen the elephant..but it will run over him nonetheless...


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Re: Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization [Re: batman returns]
    #14296459 - 04/15/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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of course nadelmann conveniently ignores the elephant () in the room ..the prison companies control all the campaign funding..and their shills control congress...





which is why it's up to the states just like it was during alcohol prohibition.


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Re: Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization [Re: batman returns]
    #14296558 - 04/15/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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batman returns said:
Here's a quick one for those here who have some political leanings, reason tv is a libertarian news organization, that being said, what is the libertarian viewpoint on privatizing the criminal justice system, as has been seen with our prisons. The private prison system is mentioned in this video as being a proponent for prohibition, and as far as I'm aware the libertarians are all in favor of government privatization.





libritarians might want prisons to be privatised so that the government isnt paying it, but they flat out support the personal soverignty o choose what you want to put in your own body


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Re: Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14296650 - 04/15/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that's the conclusion I came up with as well, that the freedom of choice would be a given before privatization of prisons would be an issue.


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Re: Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization [Re: withoutawire]
    #14300367 - 04/16/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Agreed. I love when the logically oriented team can find an oratorically gifted, kempt proponent with the means to gain some form of publicity for disseminating sanity. Now only if the majority weren't subjected to an acceptable form of insanity. . .


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Re: Drug Policy Alliance's Ethan Nadelmann on the Future of Legalization [Re: batman returns]
    #14300679 - 04/16/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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batman returns said:
Here's a quick one for those here who have some political leanings, reason tv is a libertarian news organization, that being said, what is the libertarian viewpoint on privatizing the criminal justice system, as has been seen with our prisons. The private prison system is mentioned in this video as being a proponent for prohibition, and as far as I'm aware the libertarians are all in favor of government privatization.




Yeah, Libertarians are the only "major" political party to outright support drug legalization.  I have major respect for their stance on that.  If we truly embodied Libertarian principles and drastically reduced the size of government and drastically increased personal freedoms, privatized prisons might actually be a good thing instead of a bad thing.


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