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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: donteatasians]
    #14293613 - 04/15/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

found it bro it'll answer exactly what your asking!

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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14293701 - 04/15/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I love trannies.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14293817 - 04/15/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That was a great read.:thumbup:


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: donteatasians] * 4
    #14294226 - 04/15/11 05:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It seems like people are desperately trying to use science or the dictionary to validate an attitude of being disrespectful towards people's self-image.

Also, people in this thread are still equating gender with sex. Sex isn't even black or white; Think inter-sexed, partial genetilia, etc.  Gender is grey all the way. For instance, at one time it was unacceptable in western society for woman to wear pants. they were considered man clothes. So are all modern woman cross dressers? Back in the 19th century, boys were dressed up as girls up until as late as 6 years old. Pink used to be a boy color, because it stood out as stronger. It is purely cultural if gender is reinforced or relaxed. I personally think having two genders in society is simplistic view reinforced from birth due to elements of the media, cultural shame, religion and a lack of being informed.
Only seeing two genders is like only "believing" there is two items on the menu. A lot of this thread is based in faith.

Like stated before, this is really a rallying cry for bigotry, much in the same way perverse scientists will try to figure out a way to make blacks seem inferior. It may be a fact a man has a penis, but anything beyond that is an interpretation of the fact. Yes, a man has a penis, but if that is what makes a male, that is your opinion. If you think a transgender brain is "wired wrong" that is your opinion. Some people in this thread are equating uncommon or rare biological manifestations as "wrong" Nature is not defunct or broken, it just is. Japan had a Tsunami--a rare event, yes, but does that mean our planet is broken?

In the end, it is all about respect. If someone wants to be a societies definition of a girl, i will respect that choice. All the science or religion in the world won't justify you being a deliberate asshole, intentionally using your ego and interpretation to belittle them into what you think is right.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #14294456 - 04/15/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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This is a common attitude, but it is the result of not being familiar with the complexities of the human spectrum of sex and gender.




So you would really call this foxy girl a man because she has a penis? You got to be kidding me and yourself. How is it different calling a black guy nigger than calling her the exact opposite of everything she clearly intends to be? We all want to be accepted into society, and when people insist on using pronouns that are offensive, it is pure bigotry. How would it be any different if I insisted call you a she?





So if I make body modifications in order to look like, let's say a lion, I should start being treated as belonging to that specie an not as a human??

That's completely nonsense, and science makes even simpler for us, if you have XX you're a woman, if you have XY you are a man, no matter how much silicon you put on your tits/ass/lips, how many surguries you make, how many hormones you take or how many new holes you make on you're body you're not a woman, you naturally don't produce those hormones, you don't menstruate and you'll never be able to get pregnant, you'll just be a woman "wannabe", that's fine with me as long as you let people know you're true gender, because people have the right to know what they are getting into, now comparing this to prejudice is just plane stupid (even a little prejudice by the way).


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi] * 1
    #14294467 - 04/15/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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This is a common attitude, but it is the result of not being familiar with the complexities of the human spectrum of sex and gender.




So you would really call this foxy girl a man because she has a penis? You got to be kidding me and yourself. How is it different calling a black guy nigger than calling her the exact opposite of everything she clearly intends to be? We all want to be accepted into society, and when people insist on using pronouns that are offensive, it is pure bigotry. How would it be any different if I insisted call you a she?





So if I make body modifications in order to look like, let's say a lion, I should start being treated as belonging to that specie an not as a human??

That's completely nonsense, and science makes even simpler for us, if you have XX you're a woman, if you have XY you are a man, no matter how much silicon you put on your tits/ass/lips, how many surguries you make, how many hormones you take or how many new holes you make on you're body you're not a woman, you naturally don't produce those hormones, you don't menstruate and you'll never be able to get pregnant, you'll just be a woman "wannabe", that's fine with me as long as you let people know you're true gender, because people have the right to know what they are getting into, now comparing this to prejudice is just plane stupid (even a little prejudice by the way).





Gender is not always equal to sex. No matter how many ways you want to put it, she will never have the roll of a man in society, penis or not. We're talking about roles in society here, not naughty bits. So women who can't have babies biologically are women wannabes?


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi]
    #14294478 - 04/15/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah... in my definition of girl she can definitely give birth... and has no nuts.

Nature does produce some fucked up pieces (just to say it's not perfect, not referring to this case).

Whatever goes through a transsexual's mind nobody can understand better than him/her, and I think that as long as people respect each other we can live with acceptance but for crying out loud, these people's gender is not what they try to look alike.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi]
    #14294490 - 04/15/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

role in society?? Hum... biologically speaking what is woman's role in society?

Sociologically speaking women have been fighting for the rights to equal opportunities and chances since we are as capable as man to perform them, so what is "the roll of a man in society,"??

A woman who is by any means sterile doesn't cease to be a woman, you probably missed the part were I spoke of XX chromosomes and all that's naturally here since birth.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi] * 1
    #14294493 - 04/15/11 08:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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yeah... in my definition of girl she can definitely give birth... and has no nuts.

Nature does produce some fucked up pieces (just to say it's not perfect, not referring to this case).

Whatever goes through a transsexual's mind nobody can understand better than him/her, and I think that as long as people respect each other we can live with acceptance but for crying out loud, these people's gender is not what they try to look alike.





So you basically lump sex and gender together;
Specifically, you prefer girls with vaginas
some people do not care about the genitals, they only care about the gender.
get it?
Gender is ALL about looks and roles. Gender has nothing to do sex. Nature is not concerned with perfection, it does what it does.
If you want to serve respect, transgenders deserve being called whichever pronoun the feel most comfortable as.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi]
    #14294506 - 04/15/11 08:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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role in society?? Hum... biologically speaking what is woman's role in society?

Sociologically speaking women have been fighting for the rights to equal opportunities and chances since we are as capable as man to perform them, so what is "the roll of a man in society,"??

A woman who is by any means sterile doesn't cease to be a woman, you probably missed the part were I spoke of XX chromosomes and all that's naturally here since birth.




It is a cultural thing that differs from society to society. A role in society isn't necessarily strictly concerned with actions ( for instance women doing the dishes) it can also be concerned with appearance. For instance, in America it is considered manly not to cry in front of other people. Also, men don't wear pink frilly skirts. Men also are expected to pay for the dinner. Roles are all expectations. I think some people LIKE to serve them and some people like to break them. Gender is contrast, and there is a spectrum of contrast between all sexes and genders.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #14294542 - 04/15/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well chromosomes, and biology are not sex, the fact that I have ovaries, uterus, breasts, female hormones, etc doesn't have to do with sex at all, it has yes to do with nature, and in my nature I am a woman.

If you want to put a skirt and a top, a pair of breasts and cut off your penis (or not) that's up to you and I personally don't have anything to do with it, but it doesn't make you a woman, it's not because you let a man pay you your dinner or cry in public that you are a woman.

For example, you're pregnant, when you go and take an ultra-sound and the doctor asks if you want to know the gender, how does he now it?

As I said... I respect everyone, but I think that respect is specially beautiful when it's mutual, a woman is a woman, a man is man, and a transsexual is a transsexual, and the term is not intended to be offensive to anyone, just to express a gender created in "laboratory", which is naturally non-existent.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi] * 2
    #14294558 - 04/15/11 08:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oh my fucking god.

Not this bullshit again.

Go reread the thread.

GENDER IS NOT SIMPLY BIOLOGICAL, IT IS CULTURAL AND SUBJECTIVE TO YOUR PERSONAL PERCEPTION


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
    #14294561 - 04/15/11 08:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Typical fucking behavior to come into a thread without reading it at all and spout off the same nonsense we have spent 6 pages refuting.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
    #14294670 - 04/15/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

talk about made ideas, and judging.
so now people aren't entitled to have an opinion just because they don't agree with you, get a grip.

"GENDER IS NOT SIMPLY BIOLOGICAL, IT IS CULTURAL AND SUBJECTIVE TO YOUR PERSONAL PERCEPTION", do you take yourself for the supreme being that knows everything or are you humble enough to admit that people have opinions, and since we don't live in a dictatorship, have the right to express it and differ from you??

You probably don't know what socially or culturally means, since a female is a female in any specie or in any part of the world and a male is a male, get over it.
You may even feel you are an alien in your head, that doesn't make you one.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14294679 - 04/15/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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found it!!!

http://crl.ucsd.edu/~elman/Courses/HDP1/2000/LectureNotes/williams.pdf

enjoy!



Awesome, thanks for that. I love reading about Native American cultural practices and beliefs.

Trannys don't bother me. So long as they're a cool person, I'll like them.

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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: TTT]
    #14294685 - 04/15/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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found it!!!

http://crl.ucsd.edu/~elman/Courses/HDP1/2000/LectureNotes/williams.pdf

enjoy!



Awesome, thanks for that. I love reading about Native American cultural practices and beliefs.

Trannys don't bother me. So long as they're a cool person, I'll like them.




Yeah that was a good read


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi] * 1
    #14294686 - 04/15/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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talk about made ideas, and judging.
so now people aren't entitled to have an opinion just because they don't agree with you, get a grip.

"GENDER IS NOT SIMPLY BIOLOGICAL, IT IS CULTURAL AND SUBJECTIVE TO YOUR PERSONAL PERCEPTION", do you take yourself for the supreme being that knows everything or are you humble enough to admit that people have opinions, and since we don't live in a dictatorship, have the right to express it and differ from you??

You probably don't know what socially or culturally means, since a female is a female in any specie or in any part of the world and a male is a male, get over it.
You may even feel you are an alien in your head, that doesn't make you one.




Derp derp derp repeat the same bullshit again and again


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
    #14294731 - 04/15/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ooowwh offended are we? :ooo:
how nice, when people can't even argue with true words, always a sign of great intelligence and maturity.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi] * 2
    #14294745 - 04/15/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm just bored of reiterating the same points again and again when they have been clearly outlined in this thread about a hundred times

When your opinion is one that attempts to repress how others choose to live their lives, then generally I don't have any qualms about insulting you


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi]
    #14294923 - 04/15/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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well chromosomes, and biology are not sex...

For example, you're pregnant, when you go and take an ultra-sound and the doctor asks if you want to know the gender, how does he now it?

As I said... I respect everyone, but I think that respect is specially beautiful when it's mutual, a woman is a woman, a man is man, and a transsexual is a transsexual, and the term is not intended to be offensive to anyone, just to express a gender created in "laboratory", which is naturally non-existent.




Yes, chromosomes and biology are sex.

The doctor will never be able to tell you the gender of your child, if you don't believe me go ask him/her or learn something about gender and sex.

I wonder if the term negro/nigger was originally intended to be offensive, or rather it was a description of their skin color. I wonder if black people preferred to be called a nigger over say something like... human?

Apollyphelion - What about my balloon fetishes? Where does this fall into my true identity?


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