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Pre-Birthing ?'s
    #1429257 - 04/04/03 05:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Recently a plant I grew suddenly came alive and decided to grow mushrooms. The plant innoculated 12 BRF pint jars and 12 1/2 pints, 6 of each size are creeper, the other 6 malabar and 2 weeks later, most of the 1/2 pints are visibly colonized. My plant has been reading on this board for awhile now, and gotten this far solely with the knowledge provided by this site. These are his questions.

How long does he really need to wait after the exterior of the jar has been colonized to fruit? The FAQ says a week, but do you think 4-5 days would be ok at 82-85 degrees F?

Second, should he dunk these cakes before he births them, he has heard of people dunking before the first flush and only after. What are your opinions on this?

Third, bottom-line: Do you think he should try to case some of the cakes? He has never done anything like this before, and doesn't want to lose cakes to contams through casing, but he is attracted by the idea of a greater potential yeild. Any ideas for casing materials to use for a newbe such as he?

My plant knows that these questions are very newbie-ish, but he has looked through the FAQ's and searched, and not managed to find a definitive answer. He figures that living people would probably be the best source of info. He actually would be typing this by himself, but he lacks the opposable thumbs to do so. (Incidentially, i just realized i shouldn't really be calling my plant "he", because he reproduces asexually, but it just feels more comfortable somehow) As he said before, he has been reading on these boards for awhile now, and knows there are some smart-ass people on here. We both applaud you all for taking the time to teach others about this awesome hobby

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Re: Pre-Birthing ?'s [Re: Ramse411]
    #1429284 - 04/04/03 05:56 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

SWIM births his/her cakes when the outside is fully covered or colonized. At this point the mycelium has most likely colonized the inside. One exception to this rule is if the cakes are going to be crumbled for casing. Then, SWIM waits a little longer. As for dunking, it can be done after the cake comes out of the jar and after each flush. It is up to the individual. SWIM definately recommends casing some for the experience you will gain with the different teks available. Casings usually give a larger yield than cakes. If you are adventurous, try spawing a bulk substrate with a colonized cake. Good luck finding your method...

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Re: Pre-Birthing ?'s [Re: Ramse411]
    #1429286 - 04/04/03 05:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

He can try to case some cakes, but he may want to remember a few things.

1. Sterilize/Pastuerize his casing mix.
2. Label all strains types on his containers he uses.
3. Make sure to use a good casing tek 50/50 tek is a good one.
4. FAN FAN FAN FAN! I cant stress this enough to him, he must have good air exchange.
5. Use enough casing mix, 1/2" for bottom layer, then the colonized mycellium, then 1/2"-3/4" 50/50 CASING MIX! Patch any early mycellium poking through the top of the casing mixture with more 50/50 mix.

He needs to make sure to do everything correctly if he decides to case. Too much humidity and not enough air exchange can cause contam probs.'

I am no expert on this by far, but i once read on a web page about this mystical magical mushroom business, and i feel that someone can learn from the mistakes this guy made on his page.

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Re: Pre-Birthing ?'s [Re: Ramse411]
    #1429450 - 04/04/03 06:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)


How long does he really need to wait after the exterior of the jar has been colonized to fruit?

My friend waits a minimum of 7 days.


Second, should he dunk these cakes before he births them, he has heard of people dunking before the first flush and only after.

Dunk before the first flush, it really makes a difference. Some people dunk each cake in their own little jar for fear of contamination. My friend just births them,  puts them all into a large pitcher and fills with tap water. Gang dunk!


Third, bottom-line: Do you think he should try to case some of the cakes? 



Any ideas for casing materials to use for a newbe such as he? 

Coir and verm. If you want to get fancy you can add a bit of crushed oyster shell.  :laugh: 


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Re: Pre-Birthing ?'s [Re: Ramse411]
    #1430190 - 04/04/03 11:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Grow Log
Tek : PF
Strain : South American [SA]
Spores : Came from homemade prints. 36 total jars to be injected.
Substrate :Brown Rice Flour [BRF] and Vermiculite [Verm]
10:15 PM 3/4/03 : Project is started. Jar prep is just putting small holes in the lids for the spore syringe and then taping them closed until inoculation. Tape used is the standard black electrical tape. First batch of jars is mixed. The mix used is 2 parts verm, 1 part water, and 1 part brf. [ This mix is the max fruiting formula by PF.] Mix is put into 1/2 pint canning jars lightly, not packed in, and left it airy. Put substrate in until it reaches the threads of the jar, then add dry verm the rest of the way.
Jars are PCd at 10psi or 240f for a period of 45 minutes. Then jars were left to sit overnight to cool.

8:39 PM 3/5/2003 : First batch of jars injected. (24 jars)

10:04 AM 3/6/2003 : Incubator is running to low 77F. Going to turn it up today.

5:45 PM 3/6/2003 : Second batch of jars is in the PC will be injected tomorrow. Turned up incubator runs at 83F. 86F is the best and if the incubator is 83F and myc growing in the jars is suppose to create a little heat I figure this should work out well.

1:11 PM 3/7/2003 : Second batch of jars is done. (12 jars)

12:10 PM 3/9/2003 : Jars are doing good, no signs of contams

2:54 AM 3/19/2003 : Tape removed from the holes today and coffee filters put over the top of the jars for added protection. Holes were opened so the CO2 in the jars could escape. I gave 12 jars to a friend who kept fucking up. 24 jar?s about 75%done.

12:13 PM 3/22/2003 : Well it's Saturday and the jars will probably be done by the 25th. So it was 36 jars. 12 were given to a friend, 24 done by Tuesday.

10:26 PM 3/23/2003 : 15 jars were done enough to put into dunk. I dunk and cold shock before birthing and after every flush. The other 9 jars have a spot the size of a pea that has to be covered so I'll do those on the 25th.

7:17 PM 3/24/2003 : 15 jars put into the pod. Put in and put a layer of dry verm on top. With geolite I just put the cakes on it. With some other chambers I put the cake on a lid filled with verm. This is done to give the shrooms on the bottom and the top of the cake some added moisture.
The other 9 jars just finished so I'm going to give them a couple more days to make sure the middle of the cake is done.

4:57 PM 3/27/2003 : 5 More cakes birthed today, 4 left going to do them tomorrow or 3/29/2003

3:58 PM 3/29/2003 : Well I lost another cake. My wife's little 1 cake pod made from a 2 liter and a small fish pump and a little geolite used up her last cake so I gave her a SA to grow. The last 3 are in the cold shock dunk.
So the total is 36 jars done all colonized with no contams. 12 given to a friend, 1 to the wife, 23 mine

12:08 PM 3/30/2003 : Last of jars put in

12:02 PM 3/31/2003 : The first 15 cakes are pinning nicely and some have shrooms coming from the bottom.

11:01 AM 4/3/2003 : Things look to be going well.

1:02 AM 4/4/2003 : Took the first flush from four of the cakes. More will be done later today.

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