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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Now this just pisses me off.
    #1429203 - 04/04/03 05:22 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

March 26, 2003
Use a Firewall, Go to Jail
The states of Massachusetts and Texas are preparing to consider bills that apparently are intended to extend the national Digital Millennium Copyright Act. (TX bill; MA bill) The bills are obviously related to each other somehow, since they are textually similar.

Here is one example of the far-reaching harmful effects of these bills. Both bills would flatly ban the possession, sale, or use of technologies that "conceal from a communication service provider ... the existence or place of origin or destination of any communication". Your ISP is a communication service provider, so anything that concealed the origin or destination of any communication from your ISP would be illegal -- with no exceptions.

If you send or receive your email via an encrypted connection, you're in violation, because the "To" and "From" lines of the emails are concealed from your ISP by encryption. (The encryption conceals the destinations of outgoing messages, and the sources of incoming messages.)

Worse yet, Network Address Translation (NAT), a technology widely used for enterprise security, operates by translating the "from" and "to" fields of Internet packets, thereby concealing the source or destination of each packet, and hence violating these bills. Most security "firewalls" use NAT, so if you use a firewall, you're in violation.

If you have a home DSL router, or if you use the "Internet Connection Sharing" feature of your favorite operating system product, you're in violation because these connection sharing technologies use NAT. Most operating system products (including every version of Windows introduced in the last five years, and virtually all versions of Linux) would also apparently be banned, because they support connection sharing via NAT.

And this is just one example of the problems with these bills. Yikes.


UPDATE (6:35 PM): It's worse than I thought. Similar bills are on the table in South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Alaska, Tennessee, and Colorado.

UPDATE (March 28, 9:00 AM): Clarified the paragraph above about encrypted email, to eliminate an ambiguity.

UPDATE: I now have a page with information about all of these bills, including the current status in each state.



http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000336.html


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Re: Now this just pisses me off. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1429210 - 04/04/03 05:26 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

That's so fucked up.

How would they know who had them though?




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Re: Now this just pisses me off. [Re: Learyfan]
    #1429213 - 04/04/03 05:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Be hard to tell. ISPs might be able to. I hope this shit doesnt start getting passed. Fucking paranoid ass government.


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Re: Now this just pisses me off. [Re: Learyfan]
    #1429221 - 04/04/03 05:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

That's so fucked up.

How would they know who had them though?




All they would have to do is act like a hacker and try to access any computer. If they can't get in, there's a firewall. Track the DNS and there you go.


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Re: Now this just pisses me off. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1429341 - 04/04/03 06:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Does all this really have anything to do with the threat of terrorism?

In much the same way as the drug war, the new campaign is taking away the people's rights one by one. Make a stand against the oppressors, or soon you will be powerless to do so.


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Re: Now this just pisses me off. [Re: Revelation]
    #1429364 - 04/04/03 06:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Why ask me? I didn't say it did.

I'm sure a good arguement could be made that it does, but a better arguement is that it tramples on the rights of citizens.


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Re: Now this just pisses me off. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1429508 - 04/04/03 06:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

How they will prove you are running a firewall: by not being able to hack  your computer. 

Good luck with that law eh! 

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Re: Now this just pisses me off. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1429520 - 04/04/03 07:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The DMCA is really fucked up. Sadly this isn't the first time, nor will it be the last that it is used to take away people's rights.


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Re: Now this just pisses me off. [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1429569 - 04/04/03 07:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I think annonymity in general will be illegal soon.


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Re: Now this just pisses me off. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1429862 - 04/04/03 09:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

This will have a serious down fall on the live American porn industry as well...
Those live sites rely on the firewalls to protect their "models" from being stalked and killed..
They'll probaly have a computer set up to monitor the ISP connections in TX and MA...They'd send someoneone to investigate all flagged traffic..eventually find out details about it, which can then be matched up to the ISP records, and can eventually be traced back to a subscriber....
This bill is ridiculous though. Think it will do far more harm if passed than good.
I'm waiting for them to start with retinal scanning.


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