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The J Cell - Energy from air?
    #14291901 - 04/14/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

PDF For J-Cell Construction

I've got a friend who claims that his friends are building / have built a "J Cell", which is an energy source that runs off air and can power a car. 

He is talking a LOT of conspiracy though, and I don't know whether it's all serious or a big conspiracy theory.

I've sent this off to my local universities (Melbourne and Monash University) to see what they have to say, because I have prety rudimentary physics and engineering knowledge.

Has anyone heard of something that can run off air?  (supposedly by converting Oxygen into Ozone and using the energy created there - so creating lightning, essentially).


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14292277 - 04/14/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'd be skeptical too.


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #14292371 - 04/14/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Probably talking about the "joe cell" ... it does everything- free energy, antigravity, wipes your ass, etc.  Has a great conspiracy behind it too.. "I made this cool free energy thingy and then some bad people showed up and told me to stop, so I did, but here are some hints on how to make it work... good luck!"  :rolleyes:

(If bad people are going to show up, they are going to kill you, not tell you to stop... and if you are going to risk giving out hints, why not just give out the whole damn thing?  The bad people are going to forgive you for giving out hints?  I don't think so..)

Bunch of BS.


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: Seuss]
    #14292447 - 04/14/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol - This on the "Joe Cell":

1. The energy is manifested as a suction force, not an explosion force.
2. In the presence of implosion, the ambient temperature declines, rather than expands, to what is
    called the Point of Anomaly. For water, the Point of Anomaly is 4 degrees Celsius.
3. There is an absence of resistance and friction.
4. Given adequate velocity of the catalyst medium (Water or Air), gravity is canceled and the
    engine or implosive energy producing device will levitate.
5. The power plant can produce enough energy to sustain itself and can operate continuously.  .
6. There are no exhaust by-products.
7. Diamagnetic materials are required for implosion. Diamagnetic materials exhibit properties that
    are opposite that of magnetic materials. For example, a magnetic material will align in  parallel to
    the magnetic lines of force from a magnetic field, while a diamagnetic metal (E.g. copper) will align
    at right angles to the magnetic lines of force.


Joe Cell - Ref

IT CANCELS GRAVITY!!!


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14292459 - 04/14/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



*CATS:  Now equipped with Joe Cell


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14293745 - 04/15/11 01:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just an FYI:  reliable physics/engineering sources generally don't talk about the Illuminati a great deal when explaining theory.




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Joe's Energy Cell taps into a much greater energy source. It's called Orgone energy, a term coined by Wilhelm Reich. Joe's Cell, however, can produce hydrogen gas and could be used as a hydrogen fuel cell if certain "alignments" are made. The Orgone energy is pulled out of the surrounding atmospheric fluroplasmic environment or Ether.  Orthodox scientists have been strenuously denying the existence of the ether (also spelled  aether, or aeither) for the better part of the 20th century. Important 19th and early 20th century scientists including Nikola Tesla, Lord Kelvin, James Clerk Maxwell, and Baron Carl Von Reichenbach all adhered to a firm belief in the existence of the ether, but were shouted down by supporters of Einstein's theories after the turn of the century. It's not a coincidence that the debunking of the ether theory was being promoted at the same time that the John D. Rockefeller and J. P. Morgan energy empires were rising in the opening decades of this century

(Today, it is clear why the ether theory was so vigorously and thoroughly debunked by academicians in the first half of this century. They were getting their marching orders from the hidden hand of the Illuminati, which included the above mentioned Rockefeller and Morgan families. The Illuminati had infiltrated the highest ranks of academia in the United States in the opening decades of the current century through the efforts of  Fabian Socialists. The suppression of information concerning ether-born energies continues to this very day)



http://educate-yourself.org/fe/fejoewatercell.shtml



Additionally, reliable sources generally don't claim you can get something besides the elements and compounds of hydrogen and oxygen from water- through electrolysis or any other means.  (interestingly, I seem to remember a rather famous experiment that disproved the notion of an aether, rather than one side being "shouted down" as the article says.  I must have attended an Illuminati-compromised school)


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1. Hydrogen gas comes off the cell as very small bubbles and will produce a yellow flame when lit by a match. Igniting the hydrogen bubbles with a match will produce a moderate crack or snap, similar to the sound of a cap gun.

2. After adjusting  the alignment, Joe produces a  second type of gas (name unknown. Some have speculated that it's Brown's Gas, but I'm not sure ). Holding a match to this gas will produce a  louder report (sound); a sharp crack,  but without the yellow flame or ringing in the ears.

3. The third type of gas (again, name unknown) produces the largest energetic discharge of all. When Joe puts a match to this gas, he get a much louder report with heavy ringing in the ears.
This third type of gas is the gas that Joe uses to power the car's engine. Here we have a 'gas' that has somehow captured a significant amount of Orgone Energy which is expendable within the confines of the engine.






I like the fact they claim to have no name for the magic third non-hydrogen/oxygen gas produced from teh hydrolysis of water.  Generally the free energy nuts will at least claim they have a fancy new type of chemical:  "Brown's Gas", "HHO", et cet

I just can't buy into a conspiracy theory that doesn't give me a nice zippy name for my miracle substance :snub:


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: johnm214]
    #14293836 - 04/15/11 01:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Joe Cell and debunking

The friend of mine who reckons he and his friends are making a Joe Cell say they've overcome a problem that has hindered them before, and will be ready to release it soon.

I'm still very dubious, but hey, my friend ain't asking for money or anything like that... just a bit of confidence in his optimism, which doesn't cost me anything to give! 

It seems to me though that these are the exact things that require the most amount of scepticism.  If this is new science, and not just magic - then it needs to be recreatable and needs to be reliable.  It needs explanations and peer review.  I can't understand why this is still in pseudo-scientific territory if it's so real. 

And, although I know it ain't just trained scientists who come up with these things, I find it a little bit of a jump of logic to believe back-yard folk with basic knowledge can build something that seems like the kind of thing people would be looking to make.


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: johnm214]
    #14293958 - 04/15/11 02:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Not to mention, I've never heard of a "point of anomaly" either....


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14294106 - 04/15/11 04:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

> Not to mention, I've never heard of a "point of anomaly" either....

Now you have.  See, now that you have hard of "point of anomaly", it is real!  It is good to have you on the endorsement team for the Joe Cell.  I will be sure to publish your endorsement on our conspiracy web site!  Thanks, and welcome aboard!


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: Seuss]
    #14304932 - 04/17/11 07:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This doesn't work.  The energy you need to turn oxygen (O2) into Ozone (O3) is greater that the energy that is released during this conversion.


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: Ferg]
    #14306214 - 04/17/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Its an orgone accumulator.  Right there you know it's total BS.


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: darkczar]
    #14308590 - 04/17/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Don't laugh at orgone energy - it's what ghosts are made of! :whoyougonnacall:


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14308640 - 04/17/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:whoah:


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Re: The J Cell - Energy from air? [Re: Ferg]
    #14309696 - 04/17/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Ferg said:
This doesn't work.  The energy you need to turn oxygen (O2) into Ozone (O3) is greater that the energy that is released during this conversion.




This.

Though basic high school chemistry does allow us to separate Hydrogen and Oxygen, and hydrogen WILL run an engine. Problem is that whole rule about energy being created or destroyed.


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