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PINS! Does anyone why are they aborting???(pics)
    #14290245 - 04/14/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Im worried these pins will not grow to their full size as some of the veils are broken already though some are not.
this is my second grow. on my first grow my first flush looked similar to this all i got was mini-mushies my second flush of that grow i went out of town and i had huge growth compared to flush 1.
please let me know what you guys think!
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Re: PINS! how do they look? *DELETED* [Re: ACTG]
    #14290329 - 04/14/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: mikehauncho]
    #14290342 - 04/14/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

why are they aborting ?


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14290395 - 04/14/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Something doesn't look right.

The caps are all distorted.  Many look already opened.  Those pins probably are going to stay that size as aborts and not continue growth.

in the third picture from the top I see a legit pin.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14290403 - 04/14/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

please someone tell me how i can fix this! or what im doing wrong.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14290427 - 04/14/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Temps and RH seems fine... what is your fruiting chamber like?  Are you giving them enough Fresh Air Exchange?

If it's Multispore it could just simply be genetics. 

Did you dunk before the roll?

We need more info to help figure out what the problem is.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14290463 - 04/14/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i made your standard SGFC 4.5in perlite, i fan 6x a day, mist 4x, spores are golden teacher and are from MRCA. i had dunked and rolled after i birthed them for 24hrs. they were in the FC for ~a week and then i went out of town for 3 days. the cakes were dry so i dunked them again (there were no pins) for 24hrs and that was 3 days ago since then all the pins you see have grown.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14290503 - 04/14/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

what am i doing wrong this happened on my first grow too :sad:


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14290572 - 04/14/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What do this and your first grow have in common? Also what climate are you in? Is it dry where you are or humid?

And does anyone else see tints of green?


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: OneU]
    #14290610 - 04/14/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

small pin growth

im in FL and its blueing from bruising not green.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14290623 - 04/14/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

what can cause caps to open early?


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14290915 - 04/14/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Did you drill holes in all 6 sides of your FC ??  Also small fruits can be from dehydration..  Did you dunk them before you put them into fruiting ??


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: Damion5050]
    #14294428 - 04/15/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

could it be the fact that my FC is on a shelf in the corner of a closet ? not enough normal FAE (only fanning) ?

also im confused as to what a  good misting job really is do you spray the shit out of the FC or just a few squirts?


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14294726 - 04/15/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Did you use the same spores?


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: tohstygohsty]
    #14294817 - 04/15/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

no, why?


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14294897 - 04/15/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

wow those are tiny. They look awesome though

So small, i thought they were oysters. Definetly cubes though?

Im thinking genetics. No reason why they should be maturing so small like that

then again, maybe their mutants


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: Kevin_X2]
    #14294913 - 04/15/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

genetics would be highly unlikely since i ordered spores from the same source as my last grow and the same thing happened but only on the first flush my second flush was normal.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14294931 - 04/15/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7813115#7813115

is this true directly misting pins will cause them to abort!?!?!
i have been misting through every stage making sure to mist each cake.
am misting to much? can pins get wet?


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: Kevin_X2]
    #14294933 - 04/15/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

id pick them all dunk for 12-24 hours and try to fruit again. could be a number of factors. there could even be a contam hiding inside your cake. could be genetics. could be temperature or Rh issue.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14296123 - 04/15/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

dont mist directly, or too much. I mist maybe twice a day, sometimes not at all (99% rh from the perlite is plenty moist)

When you do mist, just pump it lightly, and aim above the FC so that the water falls naturally on the cake. once you see pins, its really not necessary to mist

that could be your problem, but i dont know.

just read that your misting each cake individually. This sound less like misting, and more like your spraying the cakes. This is not necessary. Dunking should provide adequate hydration to make it though a flush without any misting whatsoever.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: Kevin_X2]
    #14296192 - 04/15/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I mentioned the spore issue to help figure out if its genetics but like you said, it was only your first flush...

The misting issue does lead me to a question though...if you shouldn't mist directly how do those 2L bottle terr. work? Or really, how could you mist one of those?


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: tohstygohsty]
    #14296296 - 04/15/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You mist but fan to make sure there is no standing water. When it starts to fruit and the pins are maturing more, then you want to avoid direct misting or fan really well so it doesn't stand or it could rot/get contaminated.

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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: OneU]
    #14296391 - 04/15/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Do the cakes feel light or slightly heavy that blueing could be caused from dehydrated cakes and if there is not enough internal moisture in the cake they will abort or just be tiny fruits.have you noticed larger pins on the bottom of the cake where they sit on the tinfoil?


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14296426 - 04/15/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thats gotta be it thank you


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14296493 - 04/15/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like a FAE problem to me.  You said SGFC,  are there holes every two inches on all 6 sides?
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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: CH HELL]
    #14296538 - 04/15/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yes holes on all sides per the tek.
not larger pins on the bottom just more of them if you look at the pics you will see huge clusters of pins around the bottom edge.
i do have some pins that look promising (have not opened)


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Re: PINS! Does anyone why are they aborting???(pics) [Re: ACTG]
    #14296647 - 04/15/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I suggest you start up some new jars... with different genetics if possible


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Re: PINS! Does anyone why are they aborting???(pics) [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14297032 - 04/15/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Kevin is exactly right. If you do have to mist, you should mist the sides of your chamber. Too much humidity will definately abort your pins. I have had this problem before. With a SGFC less is really more. Just leave them alone besides fanning a few times a day and you should see some nicer fruits.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: Adam3295]
    #14297582 - 04/15/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Did you fart in the FC? That'l kill the whole project.


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    #14300295 - 04/16/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: mikehauncho]
    #14300394 - 04/16/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i think everyone is just guessing in this thread. so ill have a stab at it.

just looks either dry or mutants.

try misting more rather than more often (assuming your FAE is up to par)

id give it a dunk if its not as heavy as it was after the first dunk you gave it.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: k00laid]
    #14300665 - 04/16/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Genetics, IMO.  Second flush was normal compared to first, sounds like MS genetics.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #14300738 - 04/16/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

rehydrate imo


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: drosmoka]
    #14301453 - 04/16/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

whats MS genetics?


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14301507 - 04/16/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

multi spore


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #14301527 - 04/16/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hmm interesting any info on here that can explain what that means and how that works biologically.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14301558 - 04/16/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



Harvested the aborts gonna dunk for 12 hrs and try to fruit them again with no misting.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: ACTG]
    #14302731 - 04/16/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Multi-spore is a grab bag of genetics with all kinds of possibilities as far as performance goes.  There are thousands of spores and therefore thousands of genetic possibilities.  A fully-colonized jar or substrate isn't a single strain.  Even a single fruit can contain many different substrains.  The opposite of multi-spore would be clones and isolates.


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Re: PINS! how do they look? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #14302876 - 04/16/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

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