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Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget * 1
    #14289612 - 04/14/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

He wants to increase taxes for the wealthy
cut 33 billion in defense every year for 12 years
and eliminate itemized tax deductions for wealthy

iono i think hes going to make a super good relection campaign

this is going to be goood

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster] * 2
    #14289619 - 04/14/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:picard:


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster] * 2
    #14289629 - 04/14/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Legalize Cannabis, collect taxes, cut DEA spending

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #14289632 - 04/14/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

politicians say a lot of things...


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Amber Trichome]
    #14289637 - 04/14/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

legalize cannabis, eliminate taxes, cut all government spending


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: mirrorsnfuturestuf]
    #14289638 - 04/14/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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politicians say a lot of things...



well just because it wont get passed doesn't mean he didn't try his hardest

the gov is bicameral remember that


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289641 - 04/14/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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MisterMuscaria said:
legalize cannabis, eliminate taxes, cut all government spending




I don't know brah, I like my Pell Grant..


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14289657 - 04/14/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I wonder how they define "wealthy".

Right now, taxing someone 33% because they make 160k is ludicrous.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: badchad]
    #14289663 - 04/14/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

he defined it as > $200,000 annually for an individual


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14289673 - 04/14/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Coaster said:
he defined it as > $200,000 annually for an individual




That's bullshit.  Right now, someone that makes 200k is not anywhere near comparable to say, Bill gates.  If you want to eliminate breaks for the wealthy, target the wealthy, not the people that are "doing well" in life.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: badchad]
    #14289680 - 04/14/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

its either taxing those people
or raising taxes on the lower class, cutting education, slashin infrastructure
not a hard decision


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14289691 - 04/14/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Coaster said:
its either taxing those people
or raising taxes on the lower class, cutting education, slashin infrastructure
not a hard decision



That's exactly what our gov. is doing here. And busting up unions, and destroying the democratic process.
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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: biff]
    #14289696 - 04/14/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

and Obama aims to change the burden onto the rich


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14289697 - 04/14/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Cut social welfare programs. Teachers are just glorified baby sitters and should be payed accordingly.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289700 - 04/14/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

then education is going to be even less competitive globally


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14289736 - 04/14/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

true. "some things be happinin' 'round these parts with the way we do things and such."
:hillbilly:


I'm looking forward to see what actually happens with the reshaping of the govt. budget.

definitely some interesting things going on :strokebeard2:


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289752 - 04/14/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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legalize cannabis, eliminate taxes, cut all government spending



:picard:


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289761 - 04/14/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Cut social welfare programs. Teachers are just glorified baby sitters and should be payed accordingly.




:zomgwtf:


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: AntiEverything]
    #14289766 - 04/14/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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MisterMuscaria said:
Cut social welfare programs. Teachers are just glorified baby sitters and should be payed accordingly.




:zomgwtf:



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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14289767 - 04/14/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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then education is going to be even less competitive globally





education isnt competitive in the US to start with outside of private
schools, the goal of the US education system is to teach kids to pass
standardized tests so the schools can be recognized as a 'school of
excellence' and get greater funding or at least not have their
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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: AntiEverything] * 1
    #14289769 - 04/14/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol @ politics & economics


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: AntiEverything]
    #14289776 - 04/14/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Did I hurt your delicate flaming liberal Jersey wookie sensibilities?


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289783 - 04/14/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

eliminate taxes

yeah kids dont need to go to school


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: pfxtc]
    #14289786 - 04/14/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Kids should be homeschooled. I plan on homeschooling my kids so they dont get ruined by the system.
The system is unfixable. We need to quit paying into it and take matters into our own hands.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14289790 - 04/14/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Coaster said:
He wants to increase taxes for the wealthy






"I have not increased taxes not one time" -Barack Obama

he's already increased taxes 12 times... oh wait, that was congress under
democrat rules, obama just signed it into law... BTW, since when is $200k/yr
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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: pfxtc]
    #14289791 - 04/14/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

education is very important. regardless of the horrible state our education system is in. these baby sitting facilities are NECESSARY. do you want wooks like me running the streets destroying our moral sensibilities?


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289798 - 04/14/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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MisterMuscaria said:
Kids should be homeschooled. I plan on homeschooling my kids so they dont get ruined by the system.
The system is unfixable. We need to quit paying into it and take matters into our own hands.




:lol:

You remember government revolves around a society of people, not you, right?

Some people have things called jobs during the day.

And education is only one factor.


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: pfxtc]
    #14289801 - 04/14/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thusly youve proved my point that teachers are just babysitters and should be paid accordingly.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #14289808 - 04/14/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Coaster said:
He wants to increase taxes for the wealthy






"I have not increased taxes not one time" -Barack Obama

he's already increased taxes 12 times... oh wait, that was congress under
democrat rules, obama just signed it into law... BTW, since when is $200k/yr
wealthy, I understand it to be the middle class




I don['t think I've ever met anyone who made over 200,000 a year :lol:

I consider middle class to be 25-75,000


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: pfxtc] * 2
    #14289810 - 04/14/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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eliminate taxes

yeah kids dont need to go to school





how many billions more do we pump into the failing system that we keep pumping billions into just to realize that throwing money at the problem
isnt the way to fix it


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289813 - 04/14/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Thusly youve proved my point that teachers are just babysitters and should be paid accordingly.




Teachers are just babysitters?

Interesting.

Never had a baby sitter teach me how to fucking read or teach me the Pythagorean theorem.


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14289816 - 04/14/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

throw billions into reform or something


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14289817 - 04/14/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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pfxtc said:
eliminate taxes

yeah kids dont need to go to school





how many billions more do we pump into the failing system that we keep pumping billions into just to realize that throwing money at the problem
isnt the way to fix it




So fix the problem.

Individualism in a human society doesn't work on a massive scale. We can't just "cut taxes" and let everyone fend on their own. It won't work, especially with how we've been running things the last 100 years.


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14289819 - 04/14/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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pfxtc said:
eliminate taxes

yeah kids dont need to go to school





how many billions more do we pump into the failing system that we keep pumping billions into just to realize that throwing money at the problem
isnt the way to fix it



finally someone says somethign sensible

can i come work on your organic farm pris?


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: pfxtc]
    #14289825 - 04/14/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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pfxtc said:
Quote:

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Coaster said:
He wants to increase taxes for the wealthy






"I have not increased taxes not one time" -Barack Obama

he's already increased taxes 12 times... oh wait, that was congress under
democrat rules, obama just signed it into law... BTW, since when is $200k/yr
wealthy, I understand it to be the middle class




I don['t think I've ever met anyone who made over 200,000 a year :lol:

I consider middle class to be 25-75,000





what you consider to be middle class is moot, you're just 1 out of 300 million


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: pfxtc]
    #14289828 - 04/14/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Any babysitter could teach you to read most likely.
As for the pythagorean theorum when are you ever going to be using that in normal day to day life?

What kids should be learning is basic survival skills, cooking, hunting, foraging, gardening, shelter building, etc, not algebra and art history. This is why the kids in western society are behind kids in India who are cooking for themselves at the age of 6.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14289832 - 04/14/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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pfxtc said:
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Coaster said:
He wants to increase taxes for the wealthy






"I have not increased taxes not one time" -Barack Obama

he's already increased taxes 12 times... oh wait, that was congress under
democrat rules, obama just signed it into law... BTW, since when is $200k/yr
wealthy, I understand it to be the middle class




I don['t think I've ever met anyone who made over 200,000 a year :lol:

I consider middle class to be 25-75,000





what you consider to be middle class is moot, you're just 1 out of 300 million




So you're saying that 35-40% (or whatever you suppose constitutes the middle class, although I'll just call your opinion 'moot' too) of Americans make over 200,000 a year?


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289836 - 04/14/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Any babysitter could teach you to read most likely.
As for the pythagorean theorum when are you ever going to be using that in normal day to day life?

What kids should be learning is basic survival skills, cooking, hunting, foraging, gardening, shelter building, etc, not algebra and art history. This is why the kids in western society are behind kids in India who are cooking for themselves at the age of 6.




Not algebra and art history?

So fuck history and music and culture. Fuck the sciences that brought us to the moon and brought us the technology to be talking to each other right now.

In case you haven't noticed, survival skills aren't important in 2011.

Kids in India also live in rubble huts and sleep next to piles of their own shit.

And actually, teaching children to read is a very hard skill. I'll try and ignore the pure idiocy that statement.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289838 - 04/14/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Any babysitter could teach you to read most likely.
As for the pythagorean theorum when are you ever going to be using that in normal day to day life?

What kids should be learning is basic survival skills, cooking, hunting, foraging, gardening, shelter building, etc, not algebra and art history. This is why the kids in western society are behind kids in India who are cooking for themselves at the age of 6.



not algebra? well you better throw that machine you're typing away on, since it's unimportant.


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    #14289840 - 04/14/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Any babysitter could teach you to read most likely.
As for the pythagorean theorum when are you ever going to be using that in normal day to day life?

What kids should be learning is basic survival skills, cooking, hunting, foraging, gardening, shelter building, etc, not algebra and art history. This is why the kids in western society are behind kids in India who are cooking for themselves at the age of 6.



if you don't know the Pythagorean Theorem than you aren't going to be able to compete with india
we need high tech skills in order to compete globally
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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289841 - 04/14/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Kids should be homeschooled. I plan on homeschooling my kids so they dont get ruined by the system.
The system is unfixable. We need to quit paying into it and take matters into our own hands.



not everyone can homeschool their children :facepalm:


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    #14289844 - 04/14/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All Im saying is that when babylon falls all of the stuff weve been learning for the past few centuries will be useless.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289847 - 04/14/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Any babysitter could teach you to read most likely.
As for the pythagorean theorum when are you ever going to be using that in normal day to day life?

What kids should be learning is basic survival skills, cooking, hunting, foraging, gardening, shelter building, etc, not algebra and art history. This is why the kids in western society are behind kids in India who are cooking for themselves at the age of 6.



not algebra? well you better throw that machine you're typing away on, since it's unimportant.



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All Im saying is that when babylon falls all of the stuff weve been learning for the past few centuries will be useless.




Babylon has

NEVER

fallen

and it

NEVER

will.

The only way "Babylon" falls is if we stop teaching our kids how to count and read like you suggest.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: pfxtc]
    #14289856 - 04/14/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ya like dont learn how to use the internet or ur cell phone b/c eventually babylon will fall

o ya and dont use ur gas burners to make food either

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: pfxtc]
    #14289857 - 04/14/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it probably won't fall, and that 'stuff' will be far from useless. something like firmware programming might be useless, but mechanical physics will never be obsolete.


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    #14289869 - 04/14/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ive met many people who have to "unschool" their children after the educational system messes them up.
Many people with otherwise decent educations would be useless if you threw them in the woods with a knife and no money.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289873 - 04/14/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ya and if u took out all the antibiotics out of human possession half the population would die

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria] * 1
    #14289885 - 04/14/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why would anyone be thrown in the woods with no money?

If you want to learn survival skills go fucking learn some survival skills. This is 2011. If shit goes down (unlikely) then the fit will survive and the unfit will perish, such is the way of nature, everything's on track.

Obviously if you're a parent and you rely on the school system to teach them everything, you're a terrible parent. The two should go hand in hand.


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    #14289888 - 04/14/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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So you're saying that 35-40% (or whatever you suppose constitutes the middle class, although I'll just call your opinion 'moot' too) of Americans make over 200,000 a year?





no, what I'm saying is that a portion of the middle class makes 200k/yr


your idea of middle class contains some poverty level elements at $25k/yr,
assuming that these people have families, but the lower middle class makes
as much as $75k/yr, the mid middle class over $100k/yr and the start
of the 'upper class' is at $500k/yr

as much as 60% of america is middle class, mine isnt based on opinion, it's
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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: pfxtc]
    #14289890 - 04/14/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ya im really curious as to what they had to unlearn


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14289895 - 04/14/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That the government, schools and the system should stop coddling people, let them fend for themselves and stop taking money from the people who can take care of themselves to help the people who cant.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289902 - 04/14/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

so u think its ok to just let ppl starve to death on the streets who have no jobs


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    #14289904 - 04/14/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i believe selfishness is cancerous to humanity at large.


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    #14289910 - 04/14/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All Im saying is that theyll come up with a way to make money, find food, etc if left to their own devices. If you keep feeding them without them having to put any work towards it theyll opt not to work at all.

Personally I dont find myself selfish, Ill give anyone food, clothes, etc, I just wont give them any money. The onus should be on the people to help eachother out and not the government to help people out, this way it is free will and not forced redistribution.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14289918 - 04/14/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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if you don't know the Pythagorean Theorem than you aren't going to be able to compete with india
we need high tech skills in order to compete globally






doesnt matter the education you have, you wont compete with india because
they have a cheaper labor force, unless americans want to work for $1/day
other countries will get most of our manufacturing which is what adds to the
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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14289921 - 04/14/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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so u think its ok to just let ppl starve to death on the streets who have no jobs





I have no job yet I'm not starving


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14289928 - 04/14/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

other countries already have most of our manufacturing. i don't think they could get anymore, unless they can build a reputation for themselves with their $1/day workers. but they can't. so skilled manufacturing jobs as well as delicate manufacturing processes stay here. but we're still left with a hefty 70% service job workforce.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: dummy]
    #14289934 - 04/14/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

holy fuck, thats a good fucking start. The red states wont agree but either way thats a good start


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14289944 - 04/14/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Kids should be homeschooled. I plan on homeschooling my kids so they dont get ruined by the system.
The system is unfixable. We need to quit paying into it and take matters into our own hands.





DO NOT FUCKING HOMESCHOOL YOUR KIDS

I was homeschooled, and I hate my parents for that shit. I was awkward for a couple years, and my depression still lingers on because of it.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: ROFL_my_ WAFFLE] * 1
    #14289947 - 04/14/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ya seriously its not good for social settings


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    #14289951 - 04/14/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I wonder how they define "wealthy".

Right now, taxing someone 33% because they make 160k is ludicrous.




if that happens i am moving out of the US as soon as i finish my degree. fuck that nonsense.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14289995 - 04/14/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wiki says 10% of the population owns 71% of the wealth.

Bloated Michael Moore says that 400 americans own 50% of the wealth.

These are the people that need taxing, not the working class that make 200k/year.  There's a big difference between Donald Trump and the guy that owns a successful family business, or a surgeon.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14290016 - 04/14/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Right now, taxing someone 33% because they make 160k is ludicrous.




if that happens i am moving out of the US as soon as i finish my degree. fuck that nonsense.




Ummm, did you forget to file this year?  For an individual, the 33% bracket begins at  about 170k.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14290027 - 04/14/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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legalize cannabis, eliminate taxes, cut all government spending





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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #14290054 - 04/14/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ya like dont learn how to use the internet or ur cell phone b/c eventually babylon will fall

o ya and dont use ur gas burners to make food either

that will become obsolete




dude what he's saying is that we teach our kids a lot of USELESS shit that is completely unnecessary.

I think the public school system is complete FAIL!!! They have to teach to the standards of the dumbest kid in class.
All throughout public school I had to deal with partners on projects who were fucking idiots, and brought me down, too.

What needs to happen is we need to cut the entitlement programs. Welfare, social security, medicaid, etc...this is where the REAL $$ is. Perhaps cut some from the budget defense, but that is an incredibly important part of govt.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917]
    #14290065 - 04/14/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

everything is useless

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #14290128 - 04/14/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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and Obama aims to change the burden onto the rich



Of course he does.  That has ever been the Dem agenda.  Unfortunately it won't come anywhere close to paying for his deficit spending.

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2011/04/11/can-taxing-the-rich-erase-the-deficit/

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That is roughly 10% of  the current annual budget deficit.

“My point is just that I don’t see how deficits this large can be closed with income taxes on the rich, even at marginal rates far higher than anything we’ve seen in the post-1986 era,” the reader says.

And rich people can always move and shift their income, which would reduce the amount of tax revenue raised.

Do you think there is any way that taxing the rich would solve the deficit?




The US already relies more heavily on the top 10% than even socialist idiots in Europe.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/14/does-obama-want-to-push-us-tax-policy-to-the-left-of-sweden/

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The top 10 percent of income-earners in the U.S. and Sweden earned one quarter of national income, yet rich Americans paid 45 percent of all income taxes, while rich Swedes paid only 26.6 percent of taxes. In Finland and Holland, the wealthy paid 32 percent and 35 percent of taxes, according to a study of tax-data collected by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. a Paris-based organization of 34 governments.

The comparison was prepared by Scott Hodge, president of the D.C. based Tax Foundation.

Liberal groups counter with studies that account for federal income and payroll taxes, as well as state and local property and sales taxes. But even those studies show an enormous skew. In 2009, according to an April study by Citizens for Tax Justice, the top 10 percent of earners paid 40 percent of all taxes after earning 35 percent of all income. The lowest 60 percent of earners paid 17 percent of all taxes, after earning 22 percent of all income.





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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14290140 - 04/14/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I fucking hate this government. They tax & spend & tax & spend & tax & spend & tax & spend....

WHEN WILL THEY REALIZE THEY CAN'T TAX THEIR WAY OUT OF THIS?!?!?!

You HAVE to CUT spending.
If the government was a business, they would be bankrupt and non-existent. They spend billions more than they take in.
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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14290150 - 04/14/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Any babysitter could teach you to read most likely.
As for the pythagorean theorum when are you ever going to be using that in normal day to day life?

What kids should be learning is basic survival skills, cooking, hunting, foraging, gardening, shelter building, etc, not algebra and art history. This is why the kids in western society are behind kids in India who are cooking for themselves at the age of 6.




Lmao dude you are seriously in some world of your own.

Have you ever built anything?  If you want to a build a strong structure with a cross beam for support, what formula are you going to use?

All your posts in this thread are hilariously ridiculous.  The skills we have been learning to advance as a society to where we are right now are all SPECIALIZED.  Not eveyrone can know how to kill a rabbit, skin it, and cook, and do things they find fun, while still learning a specialized skill that they can use so that society can take advantage of economies of scale to raise the quality of life for everyone.

No, society isn't perfect, and no, the government doesn't spend money very wisely, but the solution is not to 'cut all taxes and eliminate government spending'.

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #14290164 - 04/14/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

uhh we need to cut a LOT of taxes and greatly reduce government spending. If we don't the U.S is destined to fail.


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    #14290171 - 04/14/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

if you hate this government, why not leave?


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    #14290175 - 04/14/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The solution is to eliminate government and promote self reliance.


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    #14290187 - 04/14/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

A- Right, like it's easy to just move out of the country...

B- I hate it, but ATM it's the best place to live on Earth.

That argument always pisses me off. "You don't like it?? Well you can just GETT OUTT!"
Lets be real here. How much $$ do you think it would take to completely uproot and move out of the fucking country????

Also, where would you go? The only places that border the U.S are Canada and Mexico. Obviously Mexico is not a reasonable option, and fuck Canada. So now you're looking at what...moving to Europe? Where they tax their people even more than we do in the states!

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    #14290232 - 04/14/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Any babysitter could teach you to read most likely.
As for the pythagorean theorum when are you ever going to be using that in normal day to day life?

What kids should be learning is basic survival skills, cooking, hunting, foraging, gardening, shelter building, etc, not algebra and art history. This is why the kids in western society are behind kids in India who are cooking for themselves at the age of 6.




:lol:

Oh man.

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    #14290256 - 04/14/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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A- Right, like it's easy to just move out of the country...

B- I hate it, but ATM it's the best place to live on Earth.

That argument always pisses me off. "You don't like it?? Well you can just GETT OUTT!"
Lets be real here. How much $$ do you think it would take to completely uproot and move out of the fucking country????

Also, where would you go? The only places that border the U.S are Canada and Mexico. Obviously Mexico is not a reasonable option, and fuck Canada. So now you're looking at what...moving to Europe? Where they tax their people even more than we do in the states!

The world is fucked up



you sound like a picky american that would do something like bitch about the most successful government on the planet. just sayin you should try living in the third world for a while, then come back and see how much you hate the goverment. mexico is just a walk to the south.


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    #14290259 - 04/14/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i think the wealthy have needed higher taxes for a long time.  but that's just my opinion, i know a lot of people disagree.  200k< sounds fine to me.  if i made that much i'd have no problem giving some of it up.  i'd feel like robin hood. lol.

i also read a really cool article ( http://www.newsweek.com/2011/04/10/america-s-national-suicide.html ) about how people come from other countries to study in america.  they find american jobs and want to work, but their visas get held up in the system for YEARS.  i think it's intentionally happening, its like we're sabotaging our future.  the article even mentions how microsoft moved to canada to avoid this problem.  american compulsory education has a lot of issues, but when it comes to college education we're definitely okay.


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    #14290260 - 04/14/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #14290267 - 04/14/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

if i was that rich i wouldn't mind getting taxed something crazy like 30% if i knew my money was going to benefit the country. imo well fare for lifers are not a good investment, neither is redundant beauacracy, neither is $350 million bombing of brown people, neither is the war on bullshitdrugs.


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    #14290296 - 04/14/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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A- Right, like it's easy to just move out of the country...

B- I hate it, but ATM it's the best place to live on Earth.

That argument always pisses me off. "You don't like it?? Well you can just GETT OUTT!"
Lets be real here. How much $$ do you think it would take to completely uproot and move out of the fucking country????

Also, where would you go? The only places that border the U.S are Canada and Mexico. Obviously Mexico is not a reasonable option, and fuck Canada. So now you're looking at what...moving to Europe? Where they tax their people even more than we do in the states!

The world is fucked up



you sound like a picky american that would do something like bitch about the most successful government on the planet. just sayin you should try living in the third world for a while, then come back and see how much you hate the goverment. mexico is just a walk to the south.




dude im sorry but fuck you.
I'm not being picky. Our government is on a completely destructive path. We are spending money we do not have. We're driving up our national debt by TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS! This is money that me, and you and OUR generation is going to have to pay back. This is a government that believes in taxing it's most successful citizens OUTRAGEOUS amounts. This is a government that DISCOURAGES creating wealth. This is a horrible, destructive government and you're god damn right I'm complaining about it.

That's why I live in the U.S, so I don't have to deal with the rest of the shit-hole that is the 3rd world. I don't want to see our country become part of the 3rd world and when we owe china 2348923 trillion dollars....well, you can see the path we're headed down.

Unless something changes our country is in danger of crumbling, and that's the truth.



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if i was that rich i wouldn't mind getting taxed something crazy like 30% if i knew my money was going to benefit the country. imo well fare for lifers are not a good investment, neither is redundant beauacracy, neither is $350 million bombing of brown people, neither is the war on bullshitdrugs.



:facepalm:

You actually pay more like %50 of your income in taxes. You're only looking at federal income tax, which is %35 on the rich. Then you have property tax, social security tax, sales tax...tax tax tax tax tax.
What happens when you're rich is you create wealth. How? You start a business, and you employ people, and then you get taxed EVEN MORE. That's what I'm saying, the government DISCOURAGES the creation of wealth.

Why would I want to make 250k+?? The more I make the more they take. WHY?! So they can spend it on BULLSHIT WASTEFUL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. Ugh...



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    #14290327 - 04/14/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah.... no shit. it's common knowledge. but for some reason you're still here. you're only saying 'fuck you' because you're scared to face your own hypocrisy. everyone's been there.


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    #14290348 - 04/14/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

wasteful government programs like EPA and planned parenthood, amirite?  :rockon:

just kidding.  we need to lessen military spending though.  i think we should put some more money into government programs, particularly education and the arts.  teachers suck so much because the really smart people have no initiative to teach when it pays like butt.


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wasteful government programs like EPA and planned parenthood, amirite?  :rockon:

just kidding.  we need to lessen military spending though.  i think we should put some more money into government programs, particularly education and the arts.  teachers suck so much because the really smart people have no initiative to teach when it pays like butt.




We need to cut from a lot of places. Let's be real. Taxpayers should not be funding planned parenthood.
I agree we should cut some military spending also. We need to cut spending everywhere!

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wasteful government programs like EPA and planned parenthood, amirite?  :rockon:

just kidding.  we need to lessen military spending though.  i think we should put some more money into government programs, particularly education and the arts.  teachers suck so much because the really smart people have no initiative to teach when it pays like butt.




We need to cut from a lot of places. Let's be real. Taxpayers should not be funding planned parenthood.
I agree we should cut some military spending also. We need to cut spending everywhere!

No, we need to employ teachers based on merit, not tenure



i disagree, i think taxpayers should be funding planned parenthood.  i think there should be public healthcare like the rest of the developed world, but that's just my opinion.  until we get there planned parenthood will have to do.

i agree we need to employ teachers based on merit.  i wasn't speaking on tenure, which i have mixed feelings about, but i understand why it is important for teachers.  the problem isn't employing them on merit, it's having such a shitty pool of applicants to draw from.  i read once that most teachers were in the bottom percentiles of their class, and that's a problem.  we need the best and brightest minds teaching the future generation.


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    #14290401 - 04/14/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #14290409 - 04/14/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

crime rates have been shown to drop when abortion clinics are legal and available, so obviously planned parenthood shouldn't be cut. lol. go to mexico.


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    #14290432 - 04/14/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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wasteful government programs like EPA and planned parenthood, amirite?  :rockon:

just kidding.  we need to lessen military spending though.  i think we should put some more money into government programs, particularly education and the arts.  teachers suck so much because the really smart people have no initiative to teach when it pays like butt.




We need to cut from a lot of places. Let's be real. Taxpayers should not be funding planned parenthood.
I agree we should cut some military spending also. We need to cut spending everywhere!

No, we need to employ teachers based on merit, not tenure



i disagree, i think taxpayers should be funding planned parenthood.  i think there should be public healthcare like the rest of the developed world, but that's just my opinion.  until we get there planned parenthood will have to do.

i agree we need to employ teachers based on merit.  i wasn't speaking on tenure, which i have mixed feelings about, but i understand why it is important for teachers.  the problem isn't employing them on merit, it's having such a shitty pool of applicants to draw from.  i read once that most teachers were in the bottom percentiles of their class, and that's a problem.  we need the best and brightest minds teaching the future generation.




Planned parenthood should exist, but should receive private funding. Which it does. Taxpayers i.e ME, don't want to support places that give abortions :shrug: I should not be forced to support that.

The thing is that all those bright minded teachers ARE out there. They're teaching in private schools.


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    #14290448 - 04/14/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think this is good. With a big problem like this you cant expect it not to hurt your wallet and magically fix itself. Its gana hurt for while, but im happy at least something realistic is being done.


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wasteful government programs like EPA and planned parenthood, amirite?  :rockon:

just kidding.  we need to lessen military spending though.  i think we should put some more money into government programs, particularly education and the arts.  teachers suck so much because the really smart people have no initiative to teach when it pays like butt.




We need to cut from a lot of places. Let's be real. Taxpayers should not be funding planned parenthood.
I agree we should cut some military spending also. We need to cut spending everywhere!

No, we need to employ teachers based on merit, not tenure



i disagree, i think taxpayers should be funding planned parenthood.  i think there should be public healthcare like the rest of the developed world, but that's just my opinion.  until we get there planned parenthood will have to do.

i agree we need to employ teachers based on merit.  i wasn't speaking on tenure, which i have mixed feelings about, but i understand why it is important for teachers.  the problem isn't employing them on merit, it's having such a shitty pool of applicants to draw from.  i read once that most teachers were in the bottom percentiles of their class, and that's a problem.  we need the best and brightest minds teaching the future generation.




Planned parenthood should exist, but should receive private funding. Which it does. Taxpayers i.e ME, don't want to support places that give abortions :shrug: I should not be forced to support that.

The thing is that all those bright minded teachers ARE out there. They're teaching in private schools.




tax money does not fund abortions.  they use their private money for that.  plus only 3% of what they do is abortions... 



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    #14290484 - 04/14/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dont think planned parenthood should be shut down but it should NOT receive any government funding whatsoever.

...and the EPA is a joke run by "conversationalists" and not true environmentalists. There are so many flaws with what they are doing and how they are doing it that it is ridiculous.


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    #14290520 - 04/14/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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tax money does not fund abortions.  they use their private money for that.  plus only 3% of what they do is abortions... 

[image]http://dailyhurricane.com/Planned Parenthood PieChart.jpg[/image]

the general public can't afford private school educations.




What's funny is that if you take the amount of $$ that it takes to publicly educate one child K-12, and gave that $$ to the parents, they could afford a private education for their child.

Also, who are you kidding with the planned parenthood thing? They get government money, and they perform abortions. How can you say that it's ONLY the private money that they use to fund abortion? Say they got $1 billion. $500 mil from the govt, 500 mil privately...it's not like when they perform abortions they make sure to take the private $$ for it.....


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    #14290531 - 04/14/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We could fix most of the problems by denying churches NPO status and taxing them for being the businesses that they are...

Seriously why do they get a pass?


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We could fix most of the problems by denying churches NPO status and taxing them for being the businesses that they are...

Seriously why do they get a pass?





Your solution to our overwhelming debt is to tax churches??
Churches are non-profit, donation based. The pastors (the ones REALLY making the $$) already do pay taxes...


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We could fix most of the problems by denying churches NPO status and taxing them for being the businesses that they are...

Seriously why do they get a pass?





Your solution to our overwhelming debt is to tax churches??
Churches are non-profit, donation based. The pastors (the ones REALLY making the $$) already do pay taxes...




Hahaha, wake up.

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tax money does not fund abortions.  they use their private money for that.  plus only 3% of what they do is abortions... 

[image]http://dailyhurricane.com/Planned Parenthood PieChart.jpg[/image]

the general public can't afford private school educations.




What's funny is that if you take the amount of $$ that it takes to publicly educate one child K-12, and gave that $$ to the parents, they could afford a private education for their child.

Also, who are you kidding with the planned parenthood thing? They get government money, and they perform abortions. How can you say that it's ONLY the private money that they use to fund abortion? Say they got $1 billion. $500 mil from the govt, 500 mil privately...it's not like when they perform abortions they make sure to take the private $$ for it.....





as long as they don't spend more than 500mil on abortions, what's the issue? it's like if a friend gives you ten bucks and you have ten bucks so you have 20.  then you go and spend six bucks on something.  you still have your friend's 10 bucks. 

plus it's juuuuuust 3% of what they perform.  abortion shouldn't be such a big strike against them as they provide a lot of other unarguably positive services.


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We could fix most of the problems by denying churches NPO status and taxing them for being the businesses that they are...

Seriously why do they get a pass?





Your solution to our overwhelming debt is to tax churches??
Churches are non-profit, donation based. The pastors (the ones REALLY making the $$) already do pay taxes...




Hahaha, wake up.

Mega churches are huge tax-free money schemes




Ok I agree there are SOME churches that are fucking huge and make a shitload of money. These should be taxed. But taxing the local church down the street seems a little whack imo.

edit: ALSO the point I was trying to make is that I don't think taxing churches is the SOLUTION to our massive debt & spending problem as uber aj implied


Also xwk the issue isn't how much they spend on the abortion, it's the fact that they perform abortion. Therefore, I do not support them, or my $$ going to them.

I'm not saying I don't think PP shouldn't exist. Hell, I've been in there before w/ my ex gf for some free birth control, so it's not like I haven't used their services before. I just don't think that the services they provide should be paid for by taxpayers. They will get their funding privately.


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    #14290602 - 04/14/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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other countries already have most of our manufacturing. i don't think they could get anymore, unless they can build a reputation for themselves with their $1/day workers. but they can't. so skilled manufacturing jobs as well as delicate manufacturing processes stay here. but we're still left with a hefty 70% service job workforce.





american wants cheap goods, the figure they can replace the $15 toaster and
dont want to spend $70 on one that may or may not last longer, those $600
iphones, the ipad, all the electronics we spend a fortune on are produced in
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    #14290607 - 04/14/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

they won't survive being fully funded purely privately.

but i see the dividing issue is abortion.  which is understandable because a lot of people have really strong feelings surrounding it.  :shrug:


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    #14290636 - 04/14/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wiki says 10% of the population owns 71% of the wealth.

Bloated Michael Moore says that 400 americans own 50% of the wealth.

These are the people that need taxing, not the working class that make 200k/year.  There's a big difference between Donald Trump and the guy that owns a successful family business, or a surgeon.





they wealthy are being taxed, taxed at nearly 50% of their income under
the bush administration, what that wiki doesnt tell you or that you failed
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...and the EPA is a joke run by "conversationalists" and not true environmentalists.




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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14290674 - 04/14/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This cut is a joke. It's a joke because it is a cut from his already additional expenditures of his increased budget. Make the worlds biggest budget and then cut it back and people seem to think we are actually making a cut into the deficit. We shouldn't be raising taxes because there is no sign of this spending stopping. We should be ending 1 of 3 wars before increasing taxes or else we'll just have to raise taxes again and again. For once I actually agree with Boehner, we have a spending problem not a revenue problem.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917]
    #14290689 - 04/14/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Pris, you are very smart...even though you piss me off sometimes :thumbup:





it's unfortunate that it has to work out that way, mart people are loathed

did I happen to mention I hate you :smirk:


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: uber_aj] * 1
    #14290704 - 04/14/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nothing's going to get fixed, fiscally, in America (or, really, any country) until people stop pretending that compound interest has infinite growth and recognize the federal reserve as the counterfeiting ring it is.

Until those two aspects change, everything other "solution" is really just a temporary fix that will not stop the facilitation of similar or, perhaps, even worse economic crashes down the line.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14290714 - 04/14/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Coaster said:
He wants to increase taxes for the wealthy
cut 33 billion in defense every year for 12 years
and eliminate itemized tax deductions for wealthy

iono i think hes going to make a super good relection campaign

this is going to be goood

:bender::bender::bender::bender::bender::bender::bender:



Empty motha fuckin promises mang.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Kada]
    #14290719 - 04/14/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

dude those aren't empty promises, those are things he actually plans to implement, and they are destructive to the potential growth of the economy.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917]
    #14290735 - 04/14/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

How are any of those mentioned destructive to the potential growth of the economy?


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917]
    #14290743 - 04/14/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well the repubos do that everytime they have the majority after a bush they wanna shut down the goverment anytime anyone is making lee way

but yea this is all a front to keep the war on drugs blazing


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14290762 - 04/14/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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its either taxing those people
or raising taxes on the lower class, cutting education, slashin infrastructure
not a hard decision




Yup. Make everyone pay, including the bottom 50%, who currently pay nothing... or next to nothing... and who in many cases get back more than they ever paid in.

Cut education spending, as there has never been a correlation between expenditures and results, which is why private schools spend so much less but get much better results.

Regarding infrastructure, much of what the federal fucknuts spend money on isn't a proper use of money anyway. So slash it as well.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: biff]
    #14290774 - 04/14/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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biff said:
Quote:

Coaster said:
its either taxing those people
or raising taxes on the lower class, cutting education, slashin infrastructure
not a hard decision



That's exactly what our gov. is doing here. And busting up unions, and destroying the democratic process.
:shrug:




Except no unions have been busted, and the democratic process is alive and well. Despite the attempt by some assholes who decided to flee rather than do their job.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14290784 - 04/14/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quoting Reagan :picard:


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: propensity]
    #14290793 - 04/14/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ameerica gave all these million, billionaires and pimps the power to make money through investments in their everyday life something like 20,000 a year since you were born


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14290794 - 04/14/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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so u think its ok to just let ppl starve to death on the streets who have no jobs




That's what family, friends and charities are for.

The government has no business being involved.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14290809 - 04/14/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

bull shit we're the leading producer of corn if anything the goverment should have vesectamy programs so we don't have all these people wandering around in OUR neighborhoods with nothing to do


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Kada] * 1
    #14290813 - 04/14/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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How are any of those mentioned destructive to the potential growth of the economy?




increasing taxes on the rich does nothing but encourage less spending in the private sector, aka the economy


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: propensity] * 1
    #14290820 - 04/14/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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propensity said:
Quoting Reagan :picard:





it's permissible when reagan is right

unless you disagree and believe government is the fix to all our woes


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14290828 - 04/14/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

Coaster said:
so u think its ok to just let ppl starve to death on the streets who have no jobs




That's what family, friends and charities are for.

The government has no business being involved.





like I said earlier, I'm unemployed and I'm not starving, I've not relied on
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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #14290829 - 04/14/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

4 trillion dollars.

Thats a lot of cash.

Over 10 years I suppose? Funny that his term ends next year.

If you want cuts in the budget you need to be republican. Democrates only increase expenditures... (from what Ive witnessed)

In order to cut that much cash without jeopardizing many aspects of the country, you need a true manager, not a politician. Only business minded people can find waste. If you brought that business mentality to the white house, shit would actually change.

I'm not saying to run the country like a business and profit. Just that it needs the mentality of a business man


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #14290859 - 04/14/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Patlal

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: propensity] * 1
    #14290861 - 04/14/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quoting Reagan :picard:




I'd quote you if you said something clever.

What difference does it make who said it if they are correct?


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: propensity]
    #14290873 - 04/14/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Patlal

:picard::picard::picard:




what? can you only post facepalms, or actually contribute?

What Patlal said is true. Name the last democrat who wanted to decrease government spending.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14290876 - 04/14/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

propensity said:
Quoting Reagan :picard:




I'd quote you if you said something clever.

What difference does it make who said it if they are correct?




Fair enough, though I'm sure you could find much more respectable people with similar ideas to quote

Carry on I guess


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917]
    #14290880 - 04/14/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

every single democrtic president follwing a warmongering republican one:lol:


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Konyap]
    #14290884 - 04/14/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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every single democrtic president follwing a warmongering republican one:lol:




funny that Obama has now gotten us involved in a third war, and spent more money than any president in the history of the united states.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917]
    #14290885 - 04/14/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

propensity said:
Patlal

:picard::picard::picard:




what? can you only post facepalms, or actually contribute?

What Patlal said is true. Name the last democrat who wanted to decrease government spending.




Obama.

Isn't that what this thread is about...?


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: propensity] * 2
    #14290886 - 04/14/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Patlal

:picard::picard::picard:




And still nothing useful from you.

I'd have no problem making a wager that you are one of societies leaches. One that does little or nothing, contributes nothing (as evidenced by your posts in this thread), yet expects much from those who do.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917]
    #14290888 - 04/14/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Anthony917 said:
Quote:

Coaster said:
ya like dont learn how to use the internet or ur cell phone b/c eventually babylon will fall

o ya and dont use ur gas burners to make food either

that will become obsolete




dude what he's saying is that we teach our kids a lot of USELESS shit that is completely unnecessary.

I think the public school system is complete FAIL!!! They have to teach to the standards of the dumbest kid in class.
All throughout public school I had to deal with partners on projects who were fucking idiots, and brought me down, too.

What needs to happen is we need to cut the entitlement programs. Welfare, social security, medicaid, etc...this is where the REAL $$ is. Perhaps cut some from the budget defense, but that is an incredibly important part of govt.



really please explain how defense budge is important? :lol:


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: propensity] * 1
    #14290891 - 04/14/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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propensity said:
Quote:

Anthony917 said:
Quote:

propensity said:
Patlal

:picard::picard::picard:




what? can you only post facepalms, or actually contribute?

What Patlal said is true. Name the last democrat who wanted to decrease government spending.




Obama.

Isn't that what this thread is about...?




are you serious? Obama wants to CUT SPENDING?!?! Hahahah that's gotta be the funniest thing I've heard all day.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: propensity] * 1
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Quote:

propensity said:
Quote:

Anthony917 said:
Quote:

propensity said:
Patlal

:picard::picard::picard:




what? can you only post facepalms, or actually contribute?

What Patlal said is true. Name the last democrat who wanted to decrease government spending.




Obama.

Isn't that what this thread is about...?




Try naming one who means it when he says it. Obama surely doesn't.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917]
    #14290895 - 04/14/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

he does

its repubs that wont let him


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917]
    #14290900 - 04/14/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is not the title of this thread Obama Plans on Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget

I didn't say he is, just that he wants to, as is evidenced by the title of the thread.


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    #14290904 - 04/14/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

because if we didn't have a solid military this country would not exist.
that's why defense is important. If you don't think that there is a correlation between our military strength and the greatness of this country then you are in fantasy land.


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    #14290927 - 04/14/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just gonna throw this out there, but you don't necessarily want 'smart' people teaching.  Being passionate about teaching, and being a good TEACHER is what you need.  C'mon guys, this back to high school - the material is a joke.  Any one with a university level education can easily understand that stuff well enough to teach it.

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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917]
    #14290928 - 04/14/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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because if we didn't have a solid military this country would not exist.
that's why defense is important. If you don't think that there is a correlation between our military strength and the greatness of this country then you are in fantasy land.



you are talking about the past , not present.
how is cutting the defense budget bad ? are you afraid of the taliban? or alqaida? you are 1,000x more likely to die from a car accident than any foreign regime.


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    #14290939 - 04/14/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lets be honest here.

the "defense" budget is out of control. Eisenhower was right when he told us all to be afraid of the military industrial complex.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Kinko]
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because if we didn't have a solid military this country would not exist.
that's why defense is important. If you don't think that there is a correlation between our military strength and the greatness of this country then you are in fantasy land.



you are talking about the past , not present.
how is cutting the defense budget bad ? are you afraid of the taliban? or alqaida? you are 1,000x more likely to die from a car accident than any foreign regime.




read my posts and you will see that I am in favor of cutting SOME of the defense budget.

The fact remains, whether you like it or not, that we are the worlds police. We have the most massive military on earth and NO ONE will fuck with us because of it. And if they try, they will go down. That makes me feel safe, and I support our military 1293812093%

Again, I think there are DEFINITELY places that can be cut, but our defense is absolutely critical to our national security.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917]
    #14291017 - 04/14/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wouldn't it be interesting if the way taxes worked was that they took 30 percent of your earnings and you choose what programs it goes to?

You could put 10 percent in defense, 5 into planned parenthood, so on and so forth.


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    #14291030 - 04/14/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We hardly need near the scale of military we have though - mutually assured destruction (or assured destruction of the aggressor..) keeps any major nation from taking highly aggressive action against the US. Against other enemies - our network of allies combined with our reduced force should be sufficient enough to carry out effective action.

If the US were facing more dire threats on a larger scale (i.e. other bloc's of power or large countries) than perhaps the budget would be justified but right now it isn't...


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    #14291058 - 04/14/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Anthony917 said:
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Kinko said:
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Anthony917 said:
because if we didn't have a solid military this country would not exist.
that's why defense is important. If you don't think that there is a correlation between our military strength and the greatness of this country then you are in fantasy land.



you are talking about the past , not present.
how is cutting the defense budget bad ? are you afraid of the taliban? or alqaida? you are 1,000x more likely to die from a car accident than any foreign regime.




read my posts and you will see that I am in favor of cutting SOME of the defense budget.

The fact remains, whether you like it or not, that we are the worlds police. We have the most massive military on earth and NO ONE will fuck with us because of it. And if they try, they will go down. That makes me feel safe, and I support our military 1293812093%

Again, I think there are DEFINITELY places that can be cut, but our defense is absolutely critical to our national security.



so you agree we should end the wars and bring our troops home?

how about germany and japan? im pretty sure hitler is dead yet we have 50,000 troops in germany.:borat:


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Kinko]
    #14291124 - 04/14/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Kinko said:
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Anthony917 said:
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Kinko said:
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Anthony917 said:
because if we didn't have a solid military this country would not exist.
that's why defense is important. If you don't think that there is a correlation between our military strength and the greatness of this country then you are in fantasy land.



you are talking about the past , not present.
how is cutting the defense budget bad ? are you afraid of the taliban? or alqaida? you are 1,000x more likely to die from a car accident than any foreign regime.




read my posts and you will see that I am in favor of cutting SOME of the defense budget.

The fact remains, whether you like it or not, that we are the worlds police. We have the most massive military on earth and NO ONE will fuck with us because of it. And if they try, they will go down. That makes me feel safe, and I support our military 1293812093%

Again, I think there are DEFINITELY places that can be cut, but our defense is absolutely critical to our national security.



so you agree we should end the wars and bring our troops home?

how about germany and japan? im pretty sure hitler is dead yet we have 50,000 troops in germany.:borat:




This is common military practice to leave troops stationed in places that were once hostile (as germany & japan were).
I am in favor of NOT getting involved in Libya.

I wouldn't say it's as simple as just "bring our troops home!" you know? We need to have goals in place, and once those goals are accomplished, we need to leave. It is not our responsibility to set up governments all around the world. It is our responsibility to protect our national security, and if that security is not threatened we should take NO military action.

I believe that our national security WAS threatened in iraq/afghanistan, but it's been almost 10 years now, and we're still diddling around. I think we need a more clear and established military approach, with a set of defined goals, and once those goals are completed, we need to leave. :shrug:

I wouldn't just instantly recall all our troops though.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917]
    #14291134 - 04/14/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You just said before that we are the military police of the world whether we like it or not.

This is incongruous with " It is not our responsibility to set up governments all around the world. It is our responsibility to protect our national security, and if that security is not threatened we should take NO military action."


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: propensity]
    #14291150 - 04/14/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You just said before that we are the military police of the world whether we like it or not.

This is incongruous with " It is not our responsibility to set up governments all around the world. It is our responsibility to protect our national security, and if that security is not threatened we should take NO military action."




I never said that I liked the fact that we were the police of the world :shrug:
We are, but that doesn't mean I support all of our military action. I support the military, and I support the troops, but I don't necessarily support the people in charge.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Anthony917] * 1
    #14291183 - 04/14/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We aren't the world police. And the longer we pretend to be, the more developing nations (parallel to developing humans, i.e. teenagers) will cry 'fuck tha police!!' - which will not stand to our advantage when they grow up and still have that hunch against the US.


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    #14291190 - 04/14/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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We aren't the world police. And the longer we pretend to be, the more developing nations (parallel to developing humans, i.e. teenagers) will cry 'fuck tha police!!' - which will not stand to our advantage when they grow up and still have that hunch against the US.




You don't think so? Why is it then that we get involved in nearly every single military fucking conflict on the planet?
WHY are we involved in libya spending millions of dollars? To police the world. or at least try to.
I don't support it, but we keep doing it.


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    #14291212 - 04/14/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I said we pretend to be - but no one is. Its just a passing trend in US foreign policy - one that will end as quickly as it arose, either through wise choices made by the government, or more likely through staggering debt problems, increasing hostility against quasi-imperialist policies, and war.


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14291439 - 04/14/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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he does

its repubs that wont let him





the repubs want to cut more from the budget than the dems but I guess you'd
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    #14291465 - 04/14/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ya the repubs want to slash medicare obama wont let them
i dont even own a tv


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    #14291527 - 04/14/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ya the repubs want to slash medicare obama wont let them
i dont even own a tv





maybe because it would expose that obama has already slashed medicare in his health insurance reform bill


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14291529 - 04/14/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thats what bipartisanship is
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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Coaster]
    #14291550 - 04/14/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

dont even try that, the bill sat on harry reid's desk with no one able to
read it, the refused input and objections from the right and kept adding
hundreds of pages of their own, that's not bipartisanship, that's democrats
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    #14291557 - 04/14/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"we have to pass this bill so we can know what's in it" -Nancy Pelosi on obamacare


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thats what they do with everything!! - source fat pudgy micheal moore


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    #14291729 - 04/14/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The hairy mole in those whole bullshit fest is that the budget was due to be passed last year before the 2010 elections when the Dems controlled everything.  They could have done just about anything they wanted.  They have no case to claim they were thwarted in their aims.  But they wouldn't do it because they knew that they would be crucified even worse.  Cowards who lack the courage of their convictions.


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    #14291766 - 04/14/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What pris is saying regarding the recent medicare bills is quite correct.

IMO the entire Medicare bill was a band-aid on a broken leg.

Medicare is unfixable until a few aspects of our society are addressed first:

  • Too many people. Overpopulation makes any medicare system - public, private or mixed - totally impossible to implement successfully.

  • There are too many synthetic medications which could, for cheaper, be replaced by naturally grown alternatives (For example: Ibproefun is just a more powerful, but also more toxic, version of a chemical found in willow tree bark). If society realizes this less stress will be put on the medical system and its own resources can be put towards more necessary endeavors. I have nothing against synthetic chemicals... but no-one can deny that not everyone is a household chemist. Being able to grow/produce one's own medications for simple ailments (minor aches and pains, mostly) is a huge way to lessen the burden by which an amassed medical system must operate.

  • Most people's diets and the food that is most abundant for purchase are total crap. Until people's diets and personal maintenance improves, the strain on any medicare system is being stressed far more than it should be.


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IMO the entire Medicare bill was a band-aid on a broken leg.






broken leg dont need a bandaid, just walk it off, you'll be fine!


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Re: Obama Plans On Slashing $4,000,000,000,000 Out Of The Budget [Re: Remix]
    #14291992 - 04/14/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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What pris is saying regarding the recent medicare bills is quite correct.

IMO the entire Medicare bill was a band-aid on a broken leg.

Medicare is unfixable until a few aspects of our society are addressed first:

  • Too many people. Overpopulation makes any medicare system - public, private or mixed - totally impossible to implement successfully.

  • There are too many synthetic medications which could, for cheaper, be replaced by naturally grown alternatives (For example: Ibproefun is just a more powerful, but also more toxic, version of a chemical found in willow tree bark). If society realizes this less stress will be put on the medical system and its own resources can be put towards more necessary endeavors. I have nothing against synthetic chemicals... but no-one can deny that not everyone is a household chemist. Being able to grow/produce one's own medications for simple ailments (minor aches and pains, mostly) is a huge way to lessen the burden by which an amassed medical system must operate.

  • Most people's diets and the food that is most abundant for purchase are total crap. Until people's diets and personal maintenance improves, the strain on any medicare system is being stressed far more than it should be.






seriously, if people just did basic things, they would be healthy.

People WILL eat themselves to death. My mom and dad were family doctors in the mountains-those people will by and large will rather die than change. The people around here complain about the price of diabetic medication, and their carts in the food market are filled with ice cream and cookies/cakes.

That person, just doesn't effect themselves, no no. Financially they burden you, and when they die from a heart attack-you best hope they are not in the oncoming lane in traffic.


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