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Nationalsozialismus
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Why is it that naziism is often portrayed as a right-wing ideology in films?
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"national socialism" isnt socialism any more than "neoliberalism" is liberal...
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Really?
this is interesting: link
"What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
De facto government ownership of the means of production, as Mises termed it, was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.
But what specifically established de facto socialism in Nazi Germany was the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936. These were imposed in response to the inflation of the money supply carried out by the regime from the time of its coming to power in early 1933. The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament. The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation."
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btw, your avatar is really disturbing.
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They most likely are compared not necessarily due to their political inclinations, but their collective hawkish stance. I think the defacto socialism/Nazism comparison is due to the fact anti obama pundits like to characterize him as a socialist, and by extension Nazi-esque. Actually the nazis were very much unlike the conservatives. They actually had the balls to exterminate the illegal Gypsy scum that were invading their territory, whereas the conservatives here have no problems catering to the illegal mexican vermin which so proudly flaunt their illegal status.
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> Why is it that naziism is often portrayed as a right-wing ideology in films?
The easy answer is that most film makers are bleeding left wing liberals.
The not so easy answer, which is more of an opinion, is that Nazism was very authoritarian, and for whatever reason, right-wing ideology (in the US) is associated with authoritarian rule. The irony is that liberal policies lead to authoritarian rule (as somebody has to strong-arm people into giving up their money for society) while (US) conservative policies of smaller government actually reduce authoritarian rule. Unfortunately, the small fragment of the extreme far right religious idiots that try to legislate their moral values upon the rest of us give the liberals fodder to paint everybody conservative in the same light.
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Re: Nationalsozialismus [Re: Seuss]
#14288673 - 04/14/11 07:11 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Naziism isn't a worldwide meme because of its political policies. The sensational persecution of other peoples and chronic xenophobia are what people normally associate with the regime, which is where it draws parallels to American Conservatism.
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Re: Nationalsozialismus [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said: > Why is it that naziism is often portrayed as a right-wing ideology in films?
The easy answer is that most film makers are bleeding left wing liberals.
thats because only bleeding left-wing liberals are capable of thinking in terms other than the corporate propaganda that you keep bleating (which is lousy film material since theres already enough commercials on TV)...
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The not so easy answer, which is more of an opinion, is that Nazism was very authoritarian and for whatever reason, right-wing ideology (in the US) is associated with authoritarian rule.
thats the only sentance in that paragraph which is factually correct...i will discuss the "whatever reason" below...
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The irony is that liberal policies lead to authoritarian rule (as somebody has to strong-arm people into giving up their money for society)
conservative policies are much worse in that regard.. allowing and encouraging corporate autocrats to strong-arm many more ppl into giving up their money for corporate autocrats.. in the form of layoffs..cutbacks..and speedups...which is actually a form of taxation without representation...
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while (US) conservative policies of smaller government actually reduce authoritarian rule.
:sigh: more mindless bleating...to wit ..when conservatives talk about "small government".. they mean reducing the role of government to corporate mercenaries and taskmasters...
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Talking Head said: Why is it that naziism is often portrayed as a right-wing ideology in films?

What are they elements of the way Naziism is portrayed in films which you interpret as being of right-wing ideology?
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Talking Head said: Really?
this is interesting: link
the link conveniently ignores the loss of distinction between big govt and big business that occurred under the nazis and the soviets...the soviets' use of the word "socialism" gave the right fodder to project their own perverted agendas on liberals ..
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A "socialist government" [quotes mine] totally annihilates these freedoms [of the press and freedom of speech]. It turns the press and every public forum into a vehicle of hysterical propaganda in its own behalf, and it engages in the relentless persecution of everyone who dares to deviate by so much as an inch from its official party line.
corporate amerikkka and their shills in govt fit that billing to a tea...and IMAO..the US incarnation is a soviet implementation of a nazi ideology...
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Re: Nationalsozialismus [Re: ChuangTzu]
#14290143 - 04/14/11 01:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Talking Head said: Why is it that naziism is often portrayed as a right-wing ideology in films?

What are they elements of the way Naziism is portrayed in films which you interpret as being of right-wing ideology?
the most generic definition of "right-wing ideology" is simply any ideology that aims to redistribute wealth upwards.. as was done in nazi germany and the USSR...the american right has also borrowed the nazi aphorism of asserting the moral and bioligical superiority of certain individuals over others.. pushing the former into their fullest potential by exercising the brutal use of force against the latter...
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Annapurna1 said: the most generic definition of "right-wing ideology" is simply any ideology that aims to redistribute wealth upwards..
That's not an answer to my question, I didn't ask you, and I don't agree with your response.
Thanks anyway.
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Re: Nationalsozialismus [Re: ChuangTzu]
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Annapurna1 said: the most generic definition of "right-wing ideology" is simply any ideology that aims to redistribute wealth upwards..
That's not an answer to my question, I didn't ask you, and I don't agree with your response.
Thanks anyway.
You've been here long enough that you should know Anna prefers her own definitions to the ones that most people use.
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Fascism is normally described as "extreme right",[32] although writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult.[33] There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational.[9] A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things.[10][11][12]
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the most generic definition of "right-wing ideology" is simply any ideology that aims to redistribute wealth upwards.. as was done in Nazi Germany and the USSR...
WTF are you talking about. Have you purchased a gallon of gas lately? The corresponding prices of food, clothing, transportation, everything that you purchase will also increase. This will only further the financial distress many average Americans are enduring. You can thank obama for that. The profits are going to the large oil companies and sent to our enemies overseas. Yeah, that money is being redistributed "downwards"
GE made 14 billion in profits last year, and paid no taxes here in the US. Of course the ceo of GE is now on Obamas job "task force" Yes that asshole is responsible for a great deal of job creation overseas, but not here. Huge tax breaks for the ULTRA rich, then speaking of how he will have to raise taxes? I don't see the Dem's doing any great works for the workers of this country. Slick willie signed NAFTA, do you know how many hundreds of thousands of common american workers have lost their jobs due to this?
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hostility towards equitable distribution of wealth & workers' self management.
Where in the hell do you and sugar tits get your information from.
First off concerning self management here's a quote for you. "We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people" Hillary Clinton,1993 As for laborers and the common worker, let me contrast our sec of states comments about ag. laborers and farmers, she called them rednecks, and shit kickers or the "G*damn L. D., did you see that family right out of Deliverance? Get me the hell out of here!" -- Hillary Clinton speaking to L. D. Brown, her bodyguard, while at the Arkansas county fair in the early 1980's regarding a family in bib overalls and cotton dresses. Yep the Dem's are the salt of the earth, friend to the working class of America.
How did the Nazis feel about their working class? farmers? Read about the term blut and boden, or blood and soil. The Reichserbhofgesetz, the State Hereditary Farm Law of 1933, implemented this ideology, stating that its aim was to: "preserve the farming community as the blood-source of the German people" (Das Bauerntum als Blutquelle des deutschen Volkes erhalten). Selected lands were declared hereditary, to pass from father to eldest son, and could not be mortgaged or alienated, and only these farmers were entitled to call themselves Bauen or "farmer peasant", a term the Nazis attempted to refurbish from a neutral or even pejorative to a positive term.[5] This was also regarded as the best place to raise infantry, and as having a organic harmony between landowner and peasant, unlike the "race chaos" of the industrial cities.[6]
The doctrine not only called for a "back to the land" approach and re-adoption of rural values, it held that German land was bound, perhaps mystically, to German blood.[7] Peasants were the Nazi cultural heroes, who held charge of German history.
Our current leaders consider the laborer and the farmer inbred, hillbilly, worthless ignorant, shit kicker fucks. To the Fascists, they were heroes and patriots.
The Nazis initiated May Day, a day celebrated by organized labor, to be a paid holiday and held celebrations on 1 May 1933 to honor German workers.[11] The Nazis stressed that Germany must honor its workers.[12] The regime believed that the only way to avoid a repeat of the disaster of 1918 was to secure workers' support for the German government.[11] The regime also insisted that all Germans take part in the May Day celebrations in the hope that this would help break down class hostility between workers and burghers.[12] Songs in praise of labor and workers were played by state radio throughout May Day as well as an airshow in Berlin and fireworks.[12] Hitler spoke of workers as patriots who had built Germany's industrial strength and had honorably served in the war and claimed that they had been oppressed under economic liberalism
The nazis hated the class system, elitists, and the bourgeois. Bonfires were made of school children's differently colored caps as symbolic of the abolition of class differences.[14]A common Nazi mantra declared they must put "collective need ahead of individual greed" -- a widespread sentiment in this era.
Hitler declared that he knew nothing of bourgeois or proletarian, only Germans.[22] Volksgemeinschaft was portrayed as overcoming distinctions of party and social class.[23] The commonality this created across classes was among the great appeals of Nazism.[24]
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The nazis killed 8-10 million NON-Whites? Who did they kill that wasn't white? Did they travel to mexico? Rommel was in Africa, but not to kill blacks. If a country the size of Wisconsin can nearly take on the entire world and kill untold millions of their enemies, then they were correct they were superior. Jesus Christ we've been in Afghanistan for a decade and we can't even kill a few thousand haji cave monkeys. All this and their engineers were able to think out of the box when creating alternative uses for shower facilities. I guess the good ol' days are gone.
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Re: Nationalsozialismus [Re: Therian]
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This thread isn't about the "far right & underlying Nazi ideology". It's about Nazi portrayal in films and what the OP perceives as being of a far right nature. I'd still like to know why he perceives that. What exactly is being shown in the film which, to him, is of a "far right nature".
This thread has nothing to do with the connections, real or imagined, between the actual Nazis and "far right" politics. It could be the case that the OP's perceptions of rightism are way out of line with reality. How do we know since he never responded.
This thread has been jacked by a few people (e.g. annapurna) who can't keep their hands off any opportunity to talk about their personal agendas. Reminds me of college.
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Re: Nationalsozialismus [Re: ChuangTzu]
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This thread isn't about the "far right & underlying Nazi ideology". It's about Nazi portrayal in films and what the OP perceives as being of a far right nature
seizing another opportunity to jill the thread.. i dont think that the films actually portray naziism "as being of a far right nature" unless one chooses to define "a far right nature" as the cinematic portrayal of naziism...
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