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JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!!
    #14286155 - 04/13/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"I suffer no fools, cut through the bullshit, and say what I feel.  My brutal, sarcastic, and heartfelt honesty offends many.  Fuck it."- Molloy


Behold the words of our future leader. The kinda guy we all have been waiting for.

JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!

You got my vote Joe.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #14286206 - 04/13/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

great another mindless thread


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #14286222 - 04/13/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I made a thread about him. Dudes pretty popular love him or hate him.
He still offends me slightly at times. But Id be a liar if I said he hasn't reminded me to stay grounded despite what I go through on trips.

Some people seriously need it lol.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14286304 - 04/13/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: waves]
    #14286337 - 04/13/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The bullshit that Joe Molloy so courageously cuts down was put up by someone who cared about the meanings it may have held. I would just be happier if he gave his experiences in a tone that didn't have to offend someone.

There's a difference between your opinion offending someone and you offending someone.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: waves]
    #14286367 - 04/13/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yea, I hated this guy for a little bit, but decided to look at his other posts to make sure I wasn't jumping to conclusions. I actually respected him a bit more after that. I don't like the way he responds to some people who gather a lot from trips, but like you said, he certainly tries to keep people grounded.

^^ Like this guy says, he really could say things in a more respecting fashion


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: CounterCulturest] * 1
    #14286445 - 04/13/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hell, I'd vote for him FOR REAL!  He speaks with brutal honesty.  You gotta admit, you would at least know where the guy stands on any given issue.

Compare that with the folks who allegedly "represent" you...they're all lying, deceitful, self-interested bastards who disguise their positions and say only what any given group they're addressing wants to hear.

Fuck that!  Give me JoeMalloy any day!  He says what he thinks, and his opinion and position can be held up to scrutiny and debated on the merits.  Only through THAT process can any sensible, representative policy result.

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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14286491 - 04/13/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Nature Boy said:
Hell, I'd vote for him FOR REAL!  He speaks with brutal honesty.  You gotta admit, you would at least know where the guy stands on any given issue.

Compare that with the folks who allegedly "represent" you...they're all lying, deceitful, self-interested bastards who disguise their positions and say only what any given group they're addressing wants to hear.

Fuck that!  Give me JoeMalloy any day!  He says what he thinks, and his opinion and position can be held up to scrutiny and debated on the merits.  Only through THAT process can any sensible, representative policy result.

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^^^ This is what I'm talking about. SUBSTANCE. Substance is only 1 of the many tools Joe has to offer.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14286548 - 04/13/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Nature Boy said:
Hell, I'd vote for him FOR REAL!  He speaks with brutal honesty.  You gotta admit, you would at least know where the guy stands on any given issue.

Compare that with the folks who allegedly "represent" you...they're all lying, deceitful, self-interested bastards who disguise their positions and say only what any given group they're addressing wants to hear.

Fuck that!  Give me JoeMalloy any day!  He says what he thinks, and his opinion and position can be held up to scrutiny and debated on the merits.  Only through THAT process can any sensible, representative policy result.

N.B.




Are we talking about for office? Then fuck yeah I'd vote for Joe. I'd kill to see somebody kick every senator in the face with the message "FUCK THIS BILL, GO GO DEMOCRACY!" or something.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #14286558 - 04/13/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Joe makes interesting posts I have no problem with him, the only thing I'm confused about is how he can say "The (DMT) experience is powerful and awesome" but at the same time his title displayed on every post he makes is "DMT is bullshit." I've asked to have that explained but have never got an answer so he remains questionable in how serious I can take his posts.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #14286575 - 04/13/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Not to push the analogy too far...but drugs can lie to you just as readily as a politician, or (not to put too fine a point on it) WE lie to ourselves about our drug use, motivations, and perhaps exaggerate their benefits in a misguided attempt at controverting thirty plus years of negative drug propaganda...so having someone "call bullshit" is often a healthy reality check.

I love the guy for having put a cap on the bullshit we sell ourselves.  After all, we ARE a group of like-minded individuals prone to enable and support our behavior.  And like any enthusiastic "club" we can lose our objectivity a bit in favor of our common interest.  JoeMalloy has done more than ANYONE on this forum to prevent us from getting too full of ourselves.

That takes incredible courage, and, if I am not mistaken, JM is motivated by his sincere belief that any extreme view on the value inherent in psychedelic use, may prove unhealthy.  The "middle way" as Buddha says, is the TRUE path.

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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14286611 - 04/13/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It just dawned on me why I dig Molloy. He reminds me ALOT of Adam Carolla. Carolla is the Loveline legend/mesiah among men (for those who don't know). He is straight to the point but keeps it dirty. I'm sure his whole "dmt is bullshit" rant might just be comparing it to the epic trips and revelations he reads about. I'm sure he digs dmt but not so much the pedistal it gets put on around here. At least that's what I gather.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: muistrue]
    #14286629 - 04/13/11 08:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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FractalDust said:
Joe makes interesting posts I have no problem with him, the only thing I'm confused about is how he can say "The (DMT) experience is powerful and awesome" but at the same time his title displayed on every post he makes is "DMT is bullshit." I've asked to have that explained but have never got an answer so he remains questionable in how serious I can take his posts.




I don't find that statement confusing or internally inconsistent at all!  DMT IS a powerful and awesome experience.  So is a HUGE roller-coaster or parachute jumping.  But there are things that DMT is NOT that people claim it is by the simple virtue of its power and awesomeness...  It is not "the answer" some people seek through powerful psychedelics.

I don't mean to speak for him...but that is my take on his position.

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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14286663 - 04/13/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't find that statement confusing or internally inconsistent at all!  DMT IS a powerful and awesome experience.  So is a HUGE roller-coaster or parachute jumping.  But there are things that DMT is NOT that people claim it is by the simple virtue of its power and awesomeness...  It is not "the answer" some people seek through powerful psychedelics.

I don't mean to speak for him...but that is my take on his position.

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Still not understanding how DMT is bullshit. Maybe he'll enlighten me but it hasn't happened yet so I doubt it.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: muistrue]
    #14286680 - 04/13/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

He can be the grounding link without being so harsh. Give your opinion, yes, but we're all equal in the scope of things. Just talk to each other in civilized manners, please! :peace::heart: and all that :hippie::glittershitz:


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14286690 - 04/13/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Hell, I'd vote for him FOR REAL!  He speaks with brutal honesty.  You gotta admit, you would at least know where the guy stands on any given issue.

Compare that with the folks who allegedly "represent" you...they're all lying, deceitful, self-interested bastards who disguise their positions and say only what any given group they're addressing wants to hear.

Fuck that!  Give me JoeMalloy any day!  He says what he thinks, and his opinion and position can be held up to scrutiny and debated on the merits.  Only through THAT process can any sensible, representative policy result.

N.B.




My nation is not a place where people like joemolloy, nature boy and myself are not in abundance, but somehow we lost control over the sociopathic megalomaniacs (both human and corporate) who wish to use our planet and all the animals and plants on it to gain control over something as petty as national and international politics.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: healing]
    #14286763 - 04/13/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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My nation is not a place where people like joemolloy, nature boy and myself are not in abundance, but somehow we lost control over the sociopathic megalomaniacs (both human and corporate) who wish to use our planet and all the animals and plants on it to gain control over something as petty as national and international politics.




Not sure when, but my government stopped speaking for me a long time ago.  Make no mistake, I love my country, but I fear and distrust my government, and I object to my tax dollars being spent on the instrumentalities of WAR and global environmental rape and destruction.

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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14293455 - 04/14/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Joe makes interesting posts I have no problem with him, the only thing I'm confused about is how he can say "The (DMT) experience is powerful and awesome" but at the same time his title displayed on every post he makes is "DMT is bullshit." I've asked to have that explained but have never got an answer so he remains questionable in how serious I can take his posts.




I don't find that statement confusing or internally inconsistent at all!  DMT IS a powerful and awesome experience.  So is a HUGE roller-coaster or parachute jumping.  But there are things that DMT is NOT that people claim it is by the simple virtue of its power and awesomeness...  It is not "the answer" some people seek through powerful psychedelics.

I don't mean to speak for him...but that is my take on his position.

N.B.




NB, you do a better job of explaining the Bullshit slogan than me.

You and I have had a similarly long history with DMT and you get it.  You identify and understand my feelings about this drug because we've been to the same mindscapes on it and obviously have many of the same coping, analytical, and thinking patterns as me.  I know you don't wish to totally discount this drug as bullshit, but there's a place in you that appreciates and understands where I am coming from.  You are able to step away from the powerful experience and look at it skeptically.  That's a tall order.  And it seems to disempower the drug, to defuse it, to show it as the lame old man behind the curtain in Oz.  It's really strange this drug, it can be anything you want it to be and that's part of its power over people.

Fuck it, call its bluff and then smoke it.  It becomes a tinfoil experience, a chintzy moment, cheap.  I guess that's when I lost the respect for it.  And then I looked at how obsessed I had become with it, how it profoundly changed me into a superstitious zealot who believed he was close to solving the secrets.  Oh, so close, making progress by leaps and bounds, just one more trip.  Ha!  A fucking slave to it, the slave who thought he was free.  The slave whose mind was opened so wide that any old twisted thought took a prominent seat.  And the smarter and more intellectual you are, the deeper you get pulled in.  The better the excuses you can make to keep delusions and the lies going.  You're so damn smart, you fool yourself. 

Anyway, most casual psychedelic users won't get to this point but I bet many who frequent these forums are currently in different phases of that mindfuck maze.

Be well and call the bluff on these drugs.  You'll probably enjoy them more and it'll do less psychological damage to you.  Or better yet just quit them.  Now that's a tall order.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: joemolloy]
    #14293528 - 04/15/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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NB, you do a better job of explaining the Bullshit slogan than me.

You and I have had a similarly long history with DMT and you get it.  You identify and understand my feelings about this drug because we've been to the same mindscapes on it and obviously have many of the same coping, analytical, and thinking patterns as me.  I know you don't wish to totally discount this drug as bullshit, but there's a place in you that appreciates and understands where I am coming from.  You are able to step away from the powerful experience and look at it skeptically.  That's a tall order.  And it seems to disempower the drug, to defuse it, to show it as the lame old man behind the curtain in Oz.  It's really strange this drug, it can be anything you want it to be and that's part of its power over people.

Fuck it, call its bluff and then smoke it.  It becomes a tinfoil experience, a chintzy moment, cheap.  I guess that's when I lost the respect for it.  And then I looked at how obsessed I had become with it, how it profoundly changed me into a superstitious zealot who believed he was close to solving the secrets.  Oh, so close, making progress by leaps and bounds, just one more trip.  Ha!  A fucking slave to it, the slave who thought he was free.  The slave whose mind was opened so wide that any old twisted thought took a prominent seat.  And the smarter and more intellectual you are, the deeper you get pulled in.  The better the excuses you can make to keep delusions and the lies going.  You're so damn smart, you fool yourself. 

Anyway, most casual psychedelic users won't get to this point but I bet many who frequent these forums are currently in different phases of that mindfuck maze.

Be well and call the bluff on these drugs.  You'll probably enjoy them more and it'll do less psychological damage to you.  Or better yet just quit them.  Now that's a tall order.





I can kind of understand where you are coming from. You can never forget that psychedelics are just drugs.

I used to feel like eventually I was going to have this trip that was going to change me forever and turn me into this ideal version of myself. It took me a while to realize that no matter how much I take, or how often I trip, this wasn't ever going to happen. You have to make the change happen, the drugs are never going to do it for you. Sounds obvious, but it really took me a long time to really realize that.

So I will be the first to admit that one of the main reasons I use them is because I looooove to get high. Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with that.  They make me happy. I don't need any more reason than that.

More times than not psychedelics also leave me feeling refreshed. They make me want to be a better person, and work harder to be the productive, positive person I want to be. Between that and making me happy and high as hell, that is really all the reason I need.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: waves]
    #14293559 - 04/15/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's one of the healthiest outlooks on psychedelics that I've read in a long time.  What clean, crystal clear fucking thinking.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #14293621 - 04/15/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

CounterCulturest said:
"I suffer no fools, cut through the bullshit, and say what I feel.  My brutal, sarcastic, and heartfelt honesty offends many.  Fuck it."- Molloy


Behold the words of our future leader. The kinda guy we all have been waiting for.

JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!
JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!

You got my vote Joe.



What's with all the hate for Joemolly? :confused: I like the guy.:borat:


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: joemolloy]
    #14293624 - 04/15/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: joemolloy]
    #14293832 - 04/15/11 01:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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TheDukeofLizards said:So I will be the first to admit that one of the main reasons I use them is because I looooove to get high. Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with that.  They make me happy. I don't need any more reason than that.

More times than not psychedelics also leave me feeling refreshed. They make me want to be a better person, and work harder to be the productive, positive person I want to be. Between that and making me happy and high as hell, that is really all the reason I need.




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That's one of the healthiest outlooks on psychedelics that I've read in a long time.




Last week at Psychonauts Anonymous:

"Hi. My name is German Kahuna. I take drugs because getting high is all sorts of awesome. I realize that drugs are nothing but substances that alter my body chemistry. They are NOT the universal key to the Doors of Perception.

I am not a guru, a shaman, a witch or a druid. I am just a bored middle-class whiteboy suburban wook looking for an excuse to get high while at the same time elevating myself by idealizing drugs as the holy sacrament and their excessive use by me as the pursuit of an eternal truth and the prerequisite for establishing a connection with the divine.

I shield myself from criticism by exclaiming that anyone who questions my motives for getting high "just doesn't understand".
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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: donteatasians]
    #14293835 - 04/15/11 01:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe CounterCulturest should attend one of my Psychonauts Anonymous meetings.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14293849 - 04/15/11 01:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

He speaks him mind and there is no bullshit.  Sounds good, but I think that these traits would fail in an ellection.:nonono:


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14294354 - 04/15/11 06:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Last week at Psychonauts Anonymous:

"Hi. My name is German Kahuna. I take drugs because getting high is all sorts of awesome. I realize that drugs are nothing but substances that alter my body chemistry. They are NOT the universal key to the Doors of Perception.

I am not a guru, a shaman, a witch or a druid. I am just a bored middle-class whiteboy suburban wook looking for an excuse to get high while at the same time elevating myself by idealizing drugs as the holy sacrament and their excessive use by me as the pursuit of an eternal truth and the prerequisite for establishing a connection with the divine.

I shield myself from criticism by exclaiming that anyone who questions my motives for getting high "just doesn't understand".
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It'll take years of deep meditation, careful use of psychedelics, a visit with a shaman, and some close study of the works of Mckenna, Leary, et al, to strip back the layers of the onion to reveal that level of Truth.


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: joemolloy]
    #14294376 - 04/15/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dig the new avatar Joe. ^^^ Lol, the witty sarcasm never fails to make a point.


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    #14294460 - 04/15/11 07:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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NB, you do a better job of explaining the Bullshit slogan than me.

You and I have had a similarly long history with DMT and you get it.  You identify and understand my feelings about this drug because we've been to the same mindscapes on it and obviously have many of the same coping, analytical, and thinking patterns as me.  I know you don't wish to totally discount this drug as bullshit, but there's a place in you that appreciates and understands where I am coming from.  You are able to step away from the powerful experience and look at it skeptically.  That's a tall order.  And it seems to disempower the drug, to defuse it, to show it as the lame old man behind the curtain in Oz.  It's really strange this drug, it can be anything you want it to be and that's part of its power over people.

Fuck it, call its bluff and then smoke it.  It becomes a tinfoil experience, a chintzy moment, cheap.  I guess that's when I lost the respect for it.  And then I looked at how obsessed I had become with it, how it profoundly changed me into a superstitious zealot who believed he was close to solving the secrets.  Oh, so close, making progress by leaps and bounds, just one more trip.  Ha!  A fucking slave to it, the slave who thought he was free.  The slave whose mind was opened so wide that any old twisted thought took a prominent seat.  And the smarter and more intellectual you are, the deeper you get pulled in.  The better the excuses you can make to keep delusions and the lies going.  You're so damn smart, you fool yourself. 

Anyway, most casual psychedelic users won't get to this point but I bet many who frequent these forums are currently in different phases of that mindfuck maze.

Be well and call the bluff on these drugs.  You'll probably enjoy them more and it'll do less psychological damage to you.  Or better yet just quit them.  Now that's a tall order.





I can kind of understand where you are coming from. You can never forget that psychedelics are just drugs.

I used to feel like eventually I was going to have this trip that was going to change me forever and turn me into this ideal version of myself. It took me a while to realize that no matter how much I take, or how often I trip, this wasn't ever going to happen. You have to make the change happen, the drugs are never going to do it for you. Sounds obvious, but it really took me a long time to really realize that.

So I will be the first to admit that one of the main reasons I use them is because I looooove to get high. Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with that.  They make me happy. I don't need any more reason than that.

More times than not psychedelics also leave me feeling refreshed. They make me want to be a better person, and work harder to be the productive, positive person I want to be. Between that and making me happy and high as hell, that is really all the reason I need.




Very well written.
Instead of saying x is x, just like a fundamentalist would, its better to say your point in a way where people can see the facts for themselves. Instead of just repeating a catchy slogan / what they are told, just like fundamentalists.


Have psychedelics changed my life? Of course they have.
But of course its not the DRUG that some how altered my mind. I took the experiences, drew from them, and changed who I wanted to be based on my experiences. I love the experiences. They make me have such an amazing new appreciation for everything around me. Also I love getting high. :laugh:
I love my psychedelic sessions. I love music and it allows me to work with music on a whole new level. They have allowed me to appreciate nature so much more - I used to hate the outdoors - now I take walks every day.

But in the end, its just because I took what I saw from the experiences. And I think most people are like this.

However I don't like the term "DMT is Bullshit". Its a pretty sick drug, but in the end its just a drug. But I would also dislike anyone saying "MDMA is bullshit"





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    #14294712 - 04/15/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:topicsucks:


Like most people with an opinion, some of what Joe Molloy says makes sense. But he's also rude and arrogant about it. He seems to think dogmatically adhering to established ideas and calling everything else "bullshit" is being scientific. If he's so enlightened, why is he hanging round here trolling an internet forum, instead of forgetting about drugs and getting on with his own life? Because he's a bit of a prick who isn't as smart as he thinks he is, just like everyone else. That's why. If you need to make someone like him into a guru, you're obviously severely mentally handicapped and unable to form your own opinions.


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    #14294964 - 04/15/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Psychedelics are primarily fun. You can choose to take what you will from your experiences, but the change must come from within. It isn't any different than other recreational activities in that way. You get back what you put in. Psychedelics are not some magical, godly tools that reveal the secrets of the universe to you. They don't even show you anything you don't already know; they show you what you already know from a different perspective so you can analyze, learn, and grow. When you treat them like religious tools, you start having delusions about reality, psychological problems, just like any other religious fanatic. Psychedelics are drugs, and they get you high. Once you accept that real change comes from within and is separate from the psychedelic experience, your life will change for the better.


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    #14295009 - 04/15/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

NB, you do a better job of explaining the Bullshit slogan than me.

You and I have had a similarly long history with DMT and you get it.  You identify and understand my feelings about this drug because we've been to the same mindscapes on it and obviously have many of the same coping, analytical, and thinking patterns as me.  I know you don't wish to totally discount this drug as bullshit, but there's a place in you that appreciates and understands where I am coming from.  You are able to step away from the powerful experience and look at it skeptically.  That's a tall order.  And it seems to disempower the drug, to defuse it, to show it as the lame old man behind the curtain in Oz.  It's really strange this drug, it can be anything you want it to be and that's part of its power over people.

Fuck it, call its bluff and then smoke it.  It becomes a tinfoil experience, a chintzy moment, cheap.  I guess that's when I lost the respect for it.  And then I looked at how obsessed I had become with it, how it profoundly changed me into a superstitious zealot who believed he was close to solving the secrets.  Oh, so close, making progress by leaps and bounds, just one more trip.  Ha!  A fucking slave to it, the slave who thought he was free.  The slave whose mind was opened so wide that any old twisted thought took a prominent seat.  And the smarter and more intellectual you are, the deeper you get pulled in.  The better the excuses you can make to keep delusions and the lies going.  You're so damn smart, you fool yourself. 

Anyway, most casual psychedelic users won't get to this point but I bet many who frequent these forums are currently in different phases of that mindfuck maze.

Be well and call the bluff on these drugs.  You'll probably enjoy them more and it'll do less psychological damage to you.  Or better yet just quit them.  Now that's a tall order.



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    #14295422 - 04/15/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #14295801 - 04/15/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's always seemed to me that there are different classes of psychedelic users, especially those that have built egos around the DMT experience. And by no means take this too seriously, please.

Some people become fitfully scared of the experience. Those who were raised in religious households, those with less powerful minds or highly suggestible types tend to steer away from these heavy psychedelics after they have tried them. You know, miley cyrus types...

Some people get pulled in. They realize there is something big there and want to grasp it. They take slightly higher and higher doses, and build dogmatic structures around what they have seen. They study old religious books and idealize the shaman. They really believe that this is they have seen the fifth bardo of the next realm or whatever. These are the types that get pulled into the 'white light' experience, ime.

Then there are the third types in which I include myself. These people have an unusually low tolerance to psychoactives, and even low doses give them very heavy experiences. These people are trying with all their might to hold back the power and intensity of that other realm. These people know that a hit of DMT or a couple grams of mushrooms WILL unleash some kind of 'spiritual reality' or 'cosmic consciousness' into their immediate experience, regardless of the language (spiritual or scientific) they use to describe it.


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    #14295812 - 04/15/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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thats why i like reading joe's posts. there are a lot of people on this site with really strong opinions about the "sacred, spiritual, holy, crystal, chakra, psychedelic blah blah blah" and its nice having somebody with a strong opinion on the other end of the spectrum. i think it is especially important for some of the noobs that come on here to read these alternative views.




It's not like he's the polar opposite of the primary stream of psychedelic insight on this forum. He still advocates the use of psychedelics. He just doesn't believe in some of the opinions stated by a good portion of the people on this site.

I think that the primary stream needs to be shifted toward the practical and observable. I think that if most of the users on this site would perform a simple thought experiment they would find that many of their opinions are under formed.

Logically examining one's consciousness from the point of existence into one's inner world would show them that their psychedelic experiences are nothing more than an intentionally induced chemical imbalance in their brain.


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    #14295819 - 04/15/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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thecoalman said: If he's so enlightened, why is he hanging round here trolling an internet forum, instead of forgetting about drugs and getting on with his own life?




What I share with everyone here is that I enjoy getting high as much as I enjoy bullshitting about it.  But you're right, I should forget about drugs and get on with my life.  The habit can be a bitch sometimes.

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Because he's a bit of a prick who isn't as smart as he thinks he is, just like everyone else. That's why.




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    #14295833 - 04/15/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Can we just stop this stupid discussion already?

Come on guys, learn to have different views and still accept others.

Instead of arguing, lets :rail2: some :specialk:

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    #14296301 - 04/15/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Presidential position = bullshit.

joemolloy = bullshit.

Perfect match! :thumbup:


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    #14296414 - 04/15/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said. It's funny to me how butthurt people get when you question their beliefs about psychedelics, particularly pertaining to 'mystical' type experiences. It's also funny that the person questioning stuff like meeting God or whatever is the asshole, while all the butthurt members are usually the first to fire out a disrespectful post following such an observation. At least that is how it usually seems to go down in threads I've looked through.

Apparently disagreeing with 'facts' along the line of "Bro on DMT you meet real beings" and so forth, makes you an arrogant prick?


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    #14296483 - 04/15/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Can we just stop this stupid discussion already?

Come on guys, learn to have different views and still accept others.

Instead of arguing, lets :rail2: some :specialk:

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    #14296500 - 04/15/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Best said:
I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said. It's funny to me how butthurt people get when you question their beliefs about psychedelics, particularly pertaining to 'mystical' type experiences. It's also funny that the person questioning stuff like meeting God or whatever is the asshole, while all the butthurt members are usually the first to fire out a disrespectful post following such an observation. At least that is how it usually seems to go down in threads I've looked through.

Apparently disagreeing with 'facts' along the line of "Bro on DMT you meet real beings" and so forth, makes you an arrogant prick?




That has nothing to do with it.
At least for me.
I don't believe you meet real beings.
I believe its just a fun drug.
However if your blindly following some dumb slogan
its the exact same as someone being a fundamentalist on the other side.
Learn to think for yourself people.
Respect each other.

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    #14296629 - 04/15/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You got my vote Joe.



What's with all the hate for Joemolly? :confused: I like the guy.:borat:




Dude I'm not hating on Joe. He is one of the dozen or so on this site that I take the time to read what he writes. I'm on his same page. This thread is not a mock or joke. It was just my way of siding with him and showing some support. It seems like he get's hell from people.

It took me a good 4 years of being stuck in that mind fuck maze he speaks about.
It felt SOOOOO good once I finally "gave up looking for the secret" and figured out what psychedelics really mean to me and what they SHOULD mean to me. It absolutely kills me to read about all this superstitious drug talk. Honest to god sometimes I don't even know if people are being sarcastic or not when they ramble on about the mushroom gods and whatnot. Which is fine, that's their deal. Its just nice seeing someone like minded. 

Basically, he has the tongue and brains to say what I wan't to say. I dig being able to relate to him. So far he is the only one I have seen on here who has the balls and experience to say it how it is.

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    #14296656 - 04/15/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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That has nothing to do with it.
At least for me.
I don't believe you meet real beings.
I believe its just a fun drug.
However if your blindly following some dumb slogan
its the exact same as someone being a fundamentalist on the other side.
Learn to think for yourself people.
Respect each other.

Geez



I certainly wasn't agreeing with the slogan of "DMT is bullshit" if that's what you thought. It's created the most powerful experiences I've ever had with any substance by far, it's intrigues and impresses me. It even intimidates me somewhat, though I think it's just a healthy dose of respect. It sounds like we may share similar opinions in some ways regarding it.

However, I don't get offended when someone tells me they believe my opinion is wrong. I respect their opinion to disagree with me, merely questioning my particular viewpoint is not tantamount to disrespect in anyway. Unfortunately, a lot of people can't seem to handle things in the same way. Which is the whole point I was trying to make.


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    #14297472 - 04/15/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You got my vote Joe.



What's with all the hate for Joemolly? :confused: I like the guy.:borat:




Dude I'm not hating on Joe. He is one of the dozen or so on this site that I take the time to read what he writes. I'm on his same page. This thread is not a mock or joke. It was just my way of siding with him and showing some support. It seems like he get's hell from people.

It took me a good 4 years of being stuck in that mind fuck maze he speaks about.
It felt SOOOOO good once I finally "gave up looking for the secret" and figured out what psychedelics really mean to me and what they SHOULD mean to me. It absolutely kills me to read about all this superstitious drug talk. Honest to god sometimes I don't even know if people are being sarcastic or not when they ramble on about the mushroom gods and whatnot. Which is fine, that's their deal. Its just nice seeing someone like minded. 

Basically, he has the tongue and brains to say what I wan't to say. I dig being able to relate to him. So far he is the only one I have seen on here who has the balls and experience to say it how it is.

GOOD LOOKS JOE !!!!



:facepalm:  I guess I just read the op wrong, I thought this was another "Dear Joe Molly" thread.
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    #14297484 - 04/15/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #14298362 - 04/15/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just so you know though... not all of us who don't believe 'DMT is bullshit' are looking for some kind of secret.

Let's start with the statement 'DMT is bullshit.' What the fuck does that mean? DMT is a tryptamine hallucinogen, and has nothing to do with the excrement of a bull. I would believe mushrooms are bullshit... (:lol:)

Do you mean your expectations about DMT are bullshit? The hype that people surround DMT with is bullshit? The experience that individuals have after using this drug... is bullshit? Sorry, just don't quite get it...

I entered the DMT world a drug-naive skeptic of the rational atheist variety. I wanted to prove to myself that discarnate entities really are just some psychological crap that new-age types pull out of their asses on ayahuasca.

Summarily, I had a lot of really intense discarnate entity experiences on DMT.... Now I'm just putting all the pieces together, not searching for some kind of mystical enlightenment.

I don't need repeated excursions into the DMT world, I got all the tools I needed on the first plunge. This was eight years ago. There was never any feverish search for meaning in psychedelics for me, I got exactly what I was looking for the first time I went deep enough.

Do I "believe" these entities are "real?" If you have to ask a question like this, I'm sorry but you still have some work to do....

I just think he's a guy who likes to push people's buttons. Typical cynic style...

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    #14298429 - 04/15/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think people are taking "DMT is bullshit" way more seriously than was intended.  It's just silly to be bothered by something some guy put as a title.  Even if he absolutly hates the drug, how does that really effect what everyone else thinks about it, or how they go about enjoying it?


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Re: JOE MOLLOY FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!! [Re: donteatasians]
    #14299990 - 04/16/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think it raises some good questions and leads to some good discussions, and I believe that's what this whole thing is all about.

I also think it's funny that this all centers around some opinionated guy named joemolloy. I got into a small argument with him recently about whether san pedro was 'bullshit.' He reasonably defended his point and I believe we had a good discussion about it.

I just wanted to include my 2c... :shrug:


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    #14300259 - 04/16/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have a feeling this relates to those with addictive natures. I have never tried DMT, unlikely to for a long, long while I suspect for numerous reasons, most to boring to mention. Fact is I respect my lungs.

Thing is, your experience is either split into mundane daily stuff and then use of temporary mind expanding substances. I am responsible for myself and care about myself not to over do things. We all have a responsibility to ourselves and others. Start with self respect and do not abuse these things.

I do not see any separation between my daily life and the use of these things, it is all encompassed within "experience". So either everything is "bullshit" or it is not.

Why have you decide to polarize?


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