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OfflineKingkuper
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Dubstep Debate
    #14277065 - 04/12/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

We all love dubstep.. well sadly not all, but is this new dubstep (often called brostep) with all the WUBWUBWUBWOBBLEWOBBLE wobble bass and high pitched melody really dubstep? or has dubstep created something entirely new? i hope its the latter because i like them both but i would be disappointed greatly if the original dubstep sound was stopped being made. if we just take all the new wobble bass Dubstep and permenatly name it a different genre (like brostep!) then hopefully that new genre will continue and so will the old classic dubstep genre also.
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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: Kingkuper]
    #14277182 - 04/12/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Everyone has a different opinion on what's what...

I definitely can relate to where you are coming from.  I've loved electronic music for the past 10 years.  When dubstep came out, it fucked my mind so hard, and I loved it.

The 'filthy wobbles and sick drops' are whats hot now, but I hope it's just a fad.  People are hopping on the cool bandwagon of transformer sounds and OMGRAVELOL.  I have very little patience for that sound...

In 5 years though, I don't think anyone will still be listening to OMGFILTHYDROPS. People will move on to the next 'hip' thing. 

It will be down to the true heads and enthusiasts which will hopefully make for a better time all around!  Most importantly better music, but also a better crowd with better vibes!

Producers have and will continue to put out hot tracks, but sadly the majority of people only dig the robot sound, so good shit is always overlooked.  It's not spun at parties or clubs because it's not the hit thing right now...

I await the second coming of dubheads and fat tunes (or at least, the cleansing of transformer wobbles and the crowd it brings) but until then.....

:bigjoint::bigjoint::bigjoint:

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: cbhead23]
    #14277191 - 04/12/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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but until then.....

:bigjoint::bigjoint::bigjoint:




hahahaha im right behind you. but i also do like the big drops and wobble wobble, but its deff going way to far. and repetitive. overall boring. too bad the only true dubstep now are the "oldies". maybe thats what 2012 will bring? the end of shitty "dubstep"..

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: Kingkuper]
    #14277270 - 04/12/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Of course it's dubstep, it just has topline leads instead of the typical driving bass of older productions.

There are still plenty of producers making the old-school "rooty" sound of dubstep with the level of production standardized in 2011. These labels and producers won't be going away and they certainly won't cave in to the sounds of nu-skool dubstep. They are the heads and fans producers of DMZ and FWD>> before dubstep had a name.

Dubstep used to be "bass at 140" and producers started to experiment with tempo (it's experimental dance music, so of course they're going to.). That previous requisite of being at 140bpm was thrown out. While dubstep has carved out its niche and has very distinct characteristics, it has changed to just being all-around bass music.

As you guys and many others have predicted, the old school sound is going to overtake the nu-skool because of the sheer volume and dedication of the fans. I think 2011 will be the year if not 2012.

I'll definitely be doing my part to help. I have dabbled in production and tend to create minimal tunes that focus on a "smart" percussion pattern and driving sub bass rhythms.

I run my own promotional dubstep blog and I tend to feature sub-bass centric dubstep (that I playfully call substep) and, when I feature tearout tunes, they need to have soul. Music without soul is art without life -- it feels cold, dead, and people just don't seem to understand it. Dubstep has a very strong life-force and a bold message. If you're hearing dubstep that doesn't have either of those things it is probably from a bandwagon producer.

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: riglow]
    #14277285 - 04/12/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Of course it's dubstep, it just has topline leads instead of the typical driving bass of older productions.

There are still plenty of producers making the old-school "rooty" sound of dubstep with the level of production standardized in 2011. These labels and producers won't be going away and they certainly won't cave in to the sounds of nu-skool dubstep. They are the heads and fans producers of DMZ and FWD>> before dubstep had a name.

Dubstep used to be "bass at 140" and producers started to experiment with tempo (it's experimental dance music, so of course they're going to.). That previous requisite of being at 140bpm was thrown out. While dubstep has carved out its niche and has very distinct characteristics, it has changed to just being all-around bass music.




well then lets call it bass music and keep the original dubstep. i like them both but i dont want the classic sound going away.

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: Kingkuper]
    #14277297 - 04/12/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Kingkuper said:well then lets call it bass music and keep the original dubstep. i like them both but i dont want the classic sound going away.




D'oh! You got in before my not-so-ninja edit. :E

The classic sound will never die.

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: riglow]
    #14277304 - 04/12/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The classic sound will never die.




hopefully not.

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: riglow]
    #14277312 - 04/12/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Dubstep was awesome like 5 years ago. Nothing was better than iming some k,smoking a few puffs of a spliff and melting into the couch.:sun:

Now..dubstep kinda went mainstream,and the scene is full of retards.


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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: Damkina]
    #14277316 - 04/12/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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the scene is full of retards.




i completely 100% agree with this statement.

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: Kingkuper]
    #14277359 - 04/12/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Damkina said:
the scene is full of retards.




i completely 100% agree with this statement.




+1. I've been to a few dubstep raves that are jam packed with headliners like Datsik, Rusko, Downlink, and Excision. The tearout dubstep is cool but it's REALLY hard to listen to from the start of a rave to the end. The crowd is also full of a bunch of idiots who probably don't even know what they're listening to and are too drugged out to think the music they are listening to is anything but amazing. In every case but Datsik I left early.

The best show I've seen so far has been Reso headlining a show. There were probably less than 200 people there and the dancefloor was practically empty, but he banged out an amazing set with fresh tunes. I wish UK artists would come more often.

I'm going to see Rusko again this month in Chicago because I know he's got a fresh bag of dubs that have been going through the UK circuit and they are going to slam in the club. Rusko brings a pretty sick vibe and his teaser video makes his live setup look really sick.

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: riglow]
    #14277601 - 04/12/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

MORE DEEP VIBES!!
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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: cbhead23]
    #14279718 - 04/12/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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MORE DEEP VIBES!!
:thumbup:




100%! GetDarker just started their non-compilation label this year. First release is a deep Kromestar ting backed with a collaboration with Dark Tantrums. DJ Darkside predicts 2011 being the year for rooty dubstep. I'm sure him and the rest of the GetDarker will be doing theirs to make sure it happens.

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: riglow]
    #14285327 - 04/13/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Dubstep was something dark in a pub in England, it has evolved so much... It's versatile, I see acid, techno, breakcore, reggae, ... artists all integrating or producing their own dubstep sound.

I like it all to be honest. Especially the more industrial sounds :lol: . The drop bass is just something for teens (IMO)

There are more sophisticated artists bringing good sets other then 2 minute drop songs :awetongue:

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: Beanhead]
    #14286744 - 04/13/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The drop bass is just something for teens (IMO)





NOT TRUE. i know a ton of adults who love drop bass "dubstep" as well as good ol' DUBSTEP.
It doesnt have to be sophisticated or technical to be good. just the sound of it is good. people are to wrapped up in technical or sophisticated music, but sound is where it is all at. the metal band the chariot is a math core band and they are mathy and technical as fuck and they sound terrible.

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: Kingkuper]
    #14290975 - 04/14/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The drop bass is just something for teens (IMO)





NOT TRUE. i know a ton of adults who love drop bass "dubstep" as well as good ol' DUBSTEP.
It doesnt have to be sophisticated or technical to be good. just the sound of it is good. people are to wrapped up in technical or sophisticated music, but sound is where it is all at. the metal band the chariot is a math core band and they are mathy and technical as fuck and they sound terrible.



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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: Kingkuper]
    #14291156 - 04/14/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The drop bass is just something for teens (IMO)





NOT TRUE. i know a ton of adults who love drop bass "dubstep" as well as good ol' DUBSTEP.
It doesnt have to be sophisticated or technical to be good. just the sound of it is good. people are to wrapped up in technical or sophisticated music, but sound is where it is all at. the metal band the chariot is a math core band and they are mathy and technical as fuck and they sound terrible.



I disagree the chariot sounds awesome.... and if you've ever seen them live... holy fuck, never have I seen another band even touch the amount of intensity they put into their shows.

But most people can't stand music full of so much noise and feedback, its a stylistic thang :wink:


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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: twighead]
    #14291365 - 04/14/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dubstep has definately changed. Most dubstep is now "girly" in a sense. Dubstep used to be more hard with good drops with strong bass. none of the high pitched shit like it is now.

Bassnectar sticks to the goods stuff...


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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: jammin]
    #14291842 - 04/14/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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dubstep has definately changed. Most dubstep is now "girly" in a sense. Dubstep used to be more hard with good drops with strong bass. none of the high pitched shit like it is now.

Bassnectar sticks to the goods stuff...




In terms of deep, dark dubstep, Bassnectar does not bring the heat...

I saw him 3 years ago, and had a fucking blast!!  I saw him 3 months ago, and it was huge drop after huge drop of machine bass...

I love his older stuff and have been a huge fan for years but his cookie-cutter dubstep just doesn't even cut it for me....what a shame the direction he took....

Sorry man, I hate to be 'that guy'....

Edited by cbhead23 (04/14/11 06:30 PM)

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: jammin]
    #14292158 - 04/14/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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jammin said:Bassnectar sticks to the goods stuff...




I couldn't disagree more with this statement. Bassnectar is not established in the scene where the dubstep pioneers are and does not have the same influence in his music or in his DJ sets.

I still enjoy his performances, but only on a surface level. I see him for the party vibe as well as his okay selection.

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Re: Dubstep Debate [Re: riglow]
    #14294406 - 04/15/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think so many n00bs are quick to call bassnectar dubstep not noticing the drastic tempo variances in the tracks in his set. 160 bpm is more drum n bass than dubstep. And the half time surely isnt dubstep.  Actually out of what he played at nocturnal last year only 2 of the entire set were dubstep tracks. Bassnectar's production as of late is not my cup of tea, but that dude can build a set like no one else is doing right now and execute it live and fresh each time.


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