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bholzer
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Tripping. I need help. Freaking out.
#14283705 - 04/13/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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okay guys, so i took some aya. something around 15 grams worth. More than I bargained for
So Im freaking out a bit. Just need some calming down i guess
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: bholzer]
#14283719 - 04/13/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If it hasn't fully kicked in you can try deliberately puking some out before it takes effect.
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: bholzer]
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: Eminence]
#14283724 - 04/13/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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frylock91 said: If it hasn't fully kicked in you can try deliberately puking some out before it takes effect.
Too late unfortunately. Its in full effect
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: Eminence]
#14283725 - 04/13/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Put on some good music, and go lay down. Everything's going to fall into place.
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14283728 - 04/13/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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awesome, just reading all this is really helping. Please keep it up
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: mellowparty]
#14283729 - 04/13/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Watch this video to get you into the happy tripping mind state 
EDIT: fixed it
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: mellowparty]
#14283744 - 04/13/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: Fisherman]
#14283777 - 04/13/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just breathe deeply and let go with every breath
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: Fisherman] 2
#14283778 - 04/13/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Everything's going to be great, man. We all love you. Your friends love you. Relax. Everything will be okay. You're confused but you will be okay and everything will make sense later. Stay where you are. It's a safe place, a good place. 
Let us know how you are feeling!
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: Fisherman]
#14283786 - 04/13/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm really perking up now guys. Thank you all so much, thank god I finally got out of it. Not a fun experience, but now it's gettin there.
For a while, I was getting worried about the person I was and if I was gonna change after this trip. But I think I'm very happy now.
Thanks again!
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: bholzer] 1
#14283872 - 04/13/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow, it was crazy how fast things just changed. I was so freaked out and scared for a bit, but now I realize that It was also just a really good experience. I saw faces and demons, and even saw some of my friends dead. It was really creepy. BUT, it just made me realize that I need to really hold on to them and appreciate them.
This has been a very significant trip. Not life changing, but a trip I can look back on and just be in awe and wonderment, and I think I'm better for the experience.
I know I've said it a thousand times, but thanks.
This community really is a great place. It'a a common bond for all of us, and I would venture to call 99% of you my friends.
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: bholzer]
#14284010 - 04/13/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good to hear it smoothed out for you!
..enjoy the rest!
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: bholzer]
#14284029 - 04/13/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Also, It was a very fast trip. I dont know how to explain it, maybe because I waited an hour after eating my MAOI.
But it lasted a total of two hours. Almost completely baseline now.
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: bholzer]
#14284107 - 04/13/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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glad it turned good for you
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: bholzer]
#14284112 - 04/13/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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In the future, what helps sometimes is remembering that many of the drugs you are taking have been taken by peoples for up to thousands of years.
If you're taking something and you are unsure of the safety, make sure you do your research prior to taking the drug concerning what are safe doses, possible interactions with other chemicals you may be taking, and the history of hospitalization occurrences and deaths.
Erowid is a trusted source for information and the Experiences section of any drug is one of the best ways to prepare yourself.
Not saying you didn't do any research at all, just reiterating Shroomery advice. Just having the knowledge beforehand can make things easier for you and for when you need to calm someone else down who is having a difficult time.
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: Black_Sunset]
#14284180 - 04/13/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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that user, Mad River sent you a TON of love/positive vibes. well, everyone that cared sent some love, but i felt a lot from him inparticular.
you just needed a spark bro, that vibe u got to with the help of a little support is the feeling you want to never forget so u can tap into it SOLO next time you take a journey within.
a little bit of love is the medication, a little bit of love, all we need is loooove.
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: Black_Sunset]
#14284185 - 04/13/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Black_Sunset said: In the future, what helps sometimes is remembering that many of the drugs you are taking have been taken by peoples for up to thousands of years.
If you're taking something and you are unsure of the safety, make sure you do your research prior to taking the drug concerning what are safe doses, possible interactions with other chemicals you may be taking, and the history of hospitalization occurrences and deaths.
Erowid is a trusted source for information and the Experiences section of any drug is one of the best ways to prepare yourself.
Not saying you didn't do any research at all, just reiterating Shroomery advice. Just having the knowledge beforehand can make things easier for you and for when you need to calm someone else down who is having a difficult time.

Yea, I'm actually a pretty involved in the world of psychs. I've done some pretty heavy dosages of both acid and shrooms. I always do thorough research before I take new drugs. I have even been known to give myself a waiting period, so that I can make sure I'm confident in doing it.
I knew that what I was going to be taking was pretty big dose, and I thought I would be ready for it. But I haven't really done aya enough to be able to take a dose that big. It was slightly irresponsible, and I won't ever take its power for granted again. Aya is much more powerful than any psychedelic I've ever had experience with. Even when I take the others in high doses.
I'm extremely happy with how it turned out though. I don't regret it in the slightest bit.
And when it comes to the calming someone down, I'm always that guy. My girlfriend doesn't have all that much experience in helping those through a rough trip, but she really did a very good job. Love that girl
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: LSDilocybin]
#14284200 - 04/13/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LSDilocybin said: that user, Mad River sent you a TON of love/positive vibes. well, everyone that cared sent some love, but i felt a lot from him inparticular.
you just needed a spark bro, that vibe u got to with the help of a little support is the feeling you want to never forget so u can tap into it SOLO next time you take a journey within.
a little bit of love is the medication, a little bit of love, all we need is loooove. 
Yea, I was actually thinking the same thing towards the end of the trip, and I hope I can hold on to it next time. Aya is a different monster, man. I've never had a problem being mentally prepared for high doses of other psychs. But this really did me in for a bit. haha
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: bholzer]
#14284279 - 04/13/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dosing MAOIs and DMT is always a probabilistic endeavor for me when trying to predict the intensity and length of a trip. 15 grams is a heavy dose, probably the equivalent of 150mg of freebase in addition to other Mimosa Hostilis goodies. I've never dosed higher than 145mg of freebase - it's just too overwhelmingly nutty. Over time, my dosage curves gradually changed where I would take 75mg of freebase DMT with some harmalas and have full blown breakthroughs for hours at a time. These were breakthroughs that were identical to the smoked kind. It's strange that 75mg now can take me where 145mg used to.
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bholzer said:I would venture to call 99% of you my friends.
Oh, that's just the afterglow talking. Don't make any marriage proposals until after tomorrow.
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: joemolloy]
#14284516 - 04/13/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Dosing MAOIs and DMT is always a probabilistic endeavor for me when trying to predict the intensity and length of a trip. 15 grams is a heavy dose, probably the equivalent of 150mg of freebase in addition to other Mimosa Hostilis goodies. I've never dosed higher than 145mg of freebase - it's just too overwhelmingly nutty. Over time, my dosage curves gradually changed where I would take 75mg of freebase DMT with some harmalas and have full blown breakthroughs for hours at a time. These were breakthroughs that were identical to the smoked kind. It's strange that 75mg now can take me where 145mg used to.
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bholzer said:I would venture to call 99% of you my friends.
Oh, that's just the afterglow talking. Don't make any marriage proposals until after tomorrow.
Yea, I would say that for a period of time during my peak, I was having a quasi-smoked-DMT breakthrough. I completely lost hold of reality.
The most overwhelming part, I would say, was the fact that I really had to struggle to keep my eyes open. They were so heavy, so I was forced to stay in the confines(or expanse really) of my eyelids and mind.
One cool thing I remember noting about the experience, was that I could mix my CEV's and OEV's by halfway closing my eyes. Makes sense I guess, but it was definitely really cool. It's like I could place the faces I was seeing with my eyes closed, into the room that I was seeing with them open.
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: bholzer]
#14284555 - 04/13/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice to see you had a good time. if you don't mind, what did you use for your MAOI and DMT source? because i have tried syrian rue with mimosa hostilis a bunch of times all with very short trips. idk what i am doing wrong
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: JahLambsbread]
#14284577 - 04/13/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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JahLambsbread said: Nice to see you had a good time. if you don't mind, what did you use for your MAOI and DMT source? because i have tried syrian rue with mimosa hostilis a bunch of times all with very short trips. idk what i am doing wrong
That's exactly what I've used. My last trip lasted 5 hours, but today's lasted 2. I'm just as confused as you.
That said, my first one was a jello shot, which was a great tek by the way. I tried to make today's dose into a jello shot, but it didn't solidify at all. Maybe that has something to do with it.
How long did you wait after eating the rue to take you mimosa brew?
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: mellowparty]
#14284821 - 04/13/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mellowparty said: Watch this video to get you into the happy tripping mind state 
EDIT: fixed it
Haha, the second top comment on this video is 'everyone on the shroomery loves this'
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: mongo lloyd]
#14284866 - 04/13/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: mellowparty]
#14285055 - 04/13/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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maybe the differences between your trips are caused by different sources/potencies of the mimosa. try noticing any difference in smell (quantity or quality), taste, color, texture, feeling (touch) of the root and that might give you an idea
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: bholzer]
#14285101 - 04/13/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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bholzer said: Also, It was a very fast trip. I dont know how to explain it, maybe because I waited an hour after eating my MAOI.
But it lasted a total of two hours. Almost completely baseline now.
That, PLUS, you could be what is called a "fast metabolizer". I have a clinical paper on that somewhere on my computer. My Pharmahuasca experiences are short and intense - I think I am a fast metabolizer based on my detailed notes of trips and the graph depicted in the academic article...where I seem to be a perfect example.. I'm the poster-boy for fast metabolizer.
My Pharma experiences shut off like a switch is thrown at the three hour mark. Period. Done. Over. I've never tried re-dosing, although that has been suggested to me. Sometimes three hours feels like more than enough.
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: Nature Boy]
#14285637 - 04/13/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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bholzer said: Also, It was a very fast trip. I dont know how to explain it, maybe because I waited an hour after eating my MAOI.
But it lasted a total of two hours. Almost completely baseline now.
That, PLUS, you could be what is called a "fast metabolizer". I have a clinical paper on that somewhere on my computer. My Pharmahuasca experiences are short and intense - I think I am a fast metabolizer based on my detailed notes of trips and the graph depicted in the academic article...where I seem to be a perfect example.. I'm the poster-boy for fast metabolizer.
My Pharma experiences shut off like a switch is thrown at the three hour mark. Period. Done. Over. I've never tried re-dosing, although that has been suggested to me. Sometimes three hours feels like more than enough.
N.B.
I've only had the two experiences so far, so I can't say, but I'm sure I'll learn after a few more times what the culprit is.
Like you, my experience today was almost like someone had flipped a switch. I went from tripping really hard to afterglow in less than 5 minutes. It took me by surprise!
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: bholzer]
#14289153 - 04/14/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This community really is a great place. It'a a common bond for all of us, and I would venture to call 99% of you my friends.
man thats how i feel too haha, i dont personally know people on here but i feel like we all know eachother haha..
i cant even talk to some of my friends about shit i say on here because they dont "get" it but the shroomery is a great psychedelic place
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: Ghostwriter]
#14289970 - 04/14/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This community really is a great place. It'a a common bond for all of us, and I would venture to call 99% of you my friends.
man thats how i feel too haha, i dont personally know people on here but i feel like we all know eachother haha..
i cant even talk to some of my friends about shit i say on here because they dont "get" it but the shroomery is a great psychedelic place
If you're comfortable enough you can even venture to meet some of us. When you post enough you get access to the Gathering forum where we set up, well, gathering! Camping trips, parties, concerts, festivals, whatever! Probably the sickest party of my life was the night I met a Shroomerite, Openmind. And if you're going to a festival check the gatherings and there's bound to be people you can chill with.
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: Black_Sunset]
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Glad you held it down and it was ok. 
I know what you mean about friendliness and afterall who hasn't had a bit of a bad one, or at least a bad period during their trips. We all need a place to come to express this stuff and it is so taboo and unspeakable to the rest of society so it's good we can meet in a place of kindred thought and free expression.
I tend to trip on my own so it's nice to know the place is here 24/7.
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: Sobercolober]
#14290087 - 04/14/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sobercolober said: Glad you held it down and it was ok. 
I know what you mean about friendliness and afterall who hasn't had a bit of a bad one, or at least a bad period during their trips. We all need a place to come to express this stuff and it is so taboo and unspeakable to the rest of society so it's good we can meet in a place of kindred thought and free expression.
I tend to trip on my own so it's nice to know the place is here 24/7.

This post, as well as this thread, just proved that the shroomery has some of the coolest and most chill people around. If I were having a bad trip and went to some of my friends for comfort, they would do one of two things. Try to trip me out more, or make it worse by failing at calming me down. One thing I want to do for my next trip, is make a playlist of some feel good music that I've seen you guys post. That way if I'm away from a computer and things start to go downhill, Ill just listen to the playlist.
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Re: Tripping. I need help. Freaking out. [Re: abel78596]
#14291699 - 04/14/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sobercolober said: Glad you held it down and it was ok. 
I know what you mean about friendliness and afterall who hasn't had a bit of a bad one, or at least a bad period during their trips. We all need a place to come to express this stuff and it is so taboo and unspeakable to the rest of society so it's good we can meet in a place of kindred thought and free expression.
I tend to trip on my own so it's nice to know the place is here 24/7.

This post, as well as this thread, just proved that the shroomery has some of the coolest and most chill people around. If I were having a bad trip and went to some of my friends for comfort, they would do one of two things. Try to trip me out more, or make it worse by failing at calming me down. One thing I want to do for my next trip, is make a playlist of some feel good music that I've seen you guys post. That way if I'm away from a computer and things start to go downhill, Ill just listen to the playlist.
I agree. My girlfriend did a great job helping out, but she just doesn't have the experience that most of the people here do, so i knew I could come here for the help I needed. The shroomery is a great community to be a part of!
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