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mental flexibility = non-attachment?
    #14279561 - 04/12/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yay? Nay?


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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: Kickle]
    #14279809 - 04/12/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yay? Nay?




I guess it equals non-attachment to your ideas at least. Also, you need to be defining non-attachment as not having vested emotional interests warp your views.


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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: Kickle]
    #14279868 - 04/12/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Should I accept this idea and its accompanying inflexibility or toss it and maintain non-attachment?

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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14280552 - 04/12/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

One can give strength to an idea without attaching to it.


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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: Kickle]
    #14282366 - 04/13/11 06:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How attached are you to that idea?

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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14282754 - 04/13/11 08:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

YAY! :birthday:


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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14282773 - 04/13/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
How attached are you to that idea?




as an observation expressed as an idea not at all -- if the observation changes, the idea changes


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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: Kickle]
    #14283243 - 04/13/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

mental flexibility is non attachment. But complete nonattachment really equals mental flaccidity. You need to attach to something, even if just temporarily, in order to assume it and think about it reasonably.

So I think it is important to be flexible enough to be able to test various views and to see the value in various things, not important not to be so flexible that you are just a rubber thong flip flapping about.

unless youre really into serene careless unattachment.


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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: Kickle]
    #14285908 - 04/13/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You sure?

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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14286036 - 04/13/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

practically sure


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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: Kickle]
    #14286102 - 04/13/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What do you mean practically sure? Are you sure or not?

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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14286190 - 04/13/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't even know what you mean by sure
but for practical uses, yes, it holds up

of course there is structuring happening
including the requirement of practicality
which isn't a requirement at all, just useful
which is more structuring of what utility is
and on and on

of course there is no solid ground anywhere
but that's the land of words and thoughts
and why mental flexibility allows that un-solid ground to freely flow

"as an observation expressed as an idea not at all -- if the observation changes, the idea changes"

no idea is solid
no observation is solid
but the product of the two is something that exists for me, yes
and I am practically sure of it, I make use of it.


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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: Kickle]
    #14286234 - 04/13/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"but the product of the two is something that exists for me, yes
and I am practically sure of it, I make use of it."

If one is the same as the other is there two or just one thing with two names? If so, what is the thing that both names refer to?


"no idea is solid
no observation is solid"

Solid? What does that mean? I think you need to read or reread quantum psychology, esp. the part about using the word is.

Edited by xFrockx (04/13/11 07:55 PM)

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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14286253 - 04/13/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"existence" works :shrug:
the interaction between subject and object
both the subject and the object exist and are together in my existence


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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: Kickle]
    #14286268 - 04/13/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)


Solid? What does that mean? I think you need to read or reread quantum psychology, esp. the part about using the word is.


:shrug:
just trying to communicate with ya
if you don't like the word is, I'm not going to solve the problem for ya.


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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: Kickle]
    #14286277 - 04/13/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"the interaction between subject and object
both the subject and the object exist and are together in my existence "

There are objects? How do you figure?

I can use the language of things, but that does not mean that things exist.

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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14286285 - 04/13/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

there are objects for me, there may not be objects for you. don't take my word for it :hehehe:


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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: Kickle]
    #14286309 - 04/13/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"if you don't like the word is, I'm not going to solve the problem for ya."

I didn't know I had a problem. I don't have any opinion of the word is. Just not trying to explain e-prime and the reasons for it again.

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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14286386 - 04/13/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:confused:
to me the word 'is' makes sense, if it doesn't to you and you're unwilling to explain why, :sorry:


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Re: mental flexibility = non-attachment? [Re: Kickle]
    #14286728 - 04/13/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This discussion is tending towards wankery.

I'd say it's not mental flexibility, or non-attachment in such general terms.


Intellectual honesty is having no attachment to your ideas.

How 'bout that?


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