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this is the kind of shit we should be standing up against...
    #1428312 - 04/04/03 10:27 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

how can the US talk liberation while it turns it's shoulder to this kind of stuff?

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/03/31/ED88060.DTL


Sentenced to stoning

Ruth Rosen Monday, March 31, 2003

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UNLIKE MOST of us, 31-year-old Amina Lawal knows exactly how she's supposed to die. She will be buried neck-deep in the earth. Then, her executioners will throw stones at her head until she is declared dead.

This is the sentence she received Aug. 19, 2002, from an Islamic Shariah Court in the northern part of Nigeria.

Her crime? A divorced mother of two small children, Lawal bore a third child outside of marriage. According to Shariah law, a divorced woman commits adultery if she has sexual relations without having remarried.

As Lawal cradled her 8-month-old daughter, Wasila, the judge read her sentence out loud: "We uphold your conviction of death by stoning as prescribed by the Shariah. This judgment will be carried out as soon as your baby is weaned."

According to BBC News, the largely-male crowd in the courtroom reacted with shouts of "Allahu Akbar" (God is great). When the man she named as the father of the baby denied having sex with her, all charges were dropped against him. Lawal was led away in tears.

After the religious court handed down this decision, human rights groups appealed her case. Last week, however, the Shariah Appeals Court delayed its decision until June 3. The chief judge, it said, was ill. Many observers, however, believe the court postponed the case in order to avoid any political fallout before Nigeria's elections in April.

Amina Lawal may be among the most celebrated women ever condemned to death by Shariah law. Last October, Oprah Winfrey, in partnership with Amnesty International, launched a global campaign to support her case. Within a few months, 1.2 million people had either written or e-mailed the Nigerian government, asking it not to carry out the sentence.

Two weeks ago, the European Parliament condemned Lawal's sentence and urged the Nigerian government to halt all executions and to ban the death penalty. Within days, the House of Representatives passed a unanimous resolution denouncing stoning as a "gross violation of human rights" and asked President Bush to seek the suspension of such sentences. (Perhaps they should next take up our own death penalty.) The Costa Rican government has even offered Lawal and her three children political asylum.

Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo, a Christian, could pardon Lawal, but political observers believe he fears heightening tensions between Christians and Muslims in his country, which is already in turmoil.

Lawal's fate is yoked to these religious and political conflicts. In 2000, 12 states in northern Nigeria reintroduced Shariah Islamic law, which has stirred great violence and resulted in hundreds of deaths. Christian and Islamic groups are deeply divided about the benefits of "modernity." Not surprisingly, the clash between those who want to preserve 9th century law and those who are eager to enter the 21st century often focuses on women's proper role in society.

In Nigeria there is the further complication of what Akbar Ahmed, chair of Islamic Studies at American University, calls the "collapse of central government authority." The revival of Shariah law at the state level, in his view, has caused some women, like Lawal, to become "the classic example of a victim who falls through the cracks."

As she waits to learn her fate, Lawal, who has received no education, has little idea that her case, now widely publicized around the globe, has become a symbol of the clash between cultures in Nigeria. In response to the postponement, she said, "I've left everything to God. I do not feel anything right now. I know God's judgment is the best and will prevail."

If justice prevails, Lawal's fate will be decided by Nigeria's secular law, not in the Shariah Court.



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Re: this is the kind of shit we should be standing up agains [Re: ]
    #1428342 - 04/04/03 10:39 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Islam -- gotta love it.

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Re: this is the kind of shit we should be standing up agains [Re: Phred]
    #1428357 - 04/04/03 10:47 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, what a peaceful religion.


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    #1428410 - 04/04/03 11:22 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

UNLIKE MOST of us, 31-year-old Amina Lawal knows exactly how she's supposed to die.

Well, excepting the thousands in death row in america waiting to be burned in an electric chair...


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    #1428473 - 04/04/03 12:14 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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This is the sentence she received Aug. 19, 2002, from an Islamic Shariah Court in the northern part of Nigeria.




where's the U.N. when you need em?


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Re: this is the kind of shit we should be standing up agains [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1428476 - 04/04/03 12:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

You can't completely blame the religion, Christianity has been guilty of bullshit like this in the past.

It's more... religion as a whole. Gotta love believers.


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Re: this is the kind of shit we should be standing up agains [Re: Phluck]
    #1428482 - 04/04/03 12:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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religion as a whole



very true.....


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Re: this is the kind of shit we should be standing up agains [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1428578 - 04/04/03 12:56 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Did somebody try to change the subject a few posts up?


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    #1428583 - 04/04/03 12:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

yes...alex i presume?


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Re: this is the kind of shit we should be standing up against... [Re: ]
    #1428585 - 04/04/03 12:59 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

See what happens when you kill all the animals they used to chuck their spears at, they start throwing rocks at slutty broads........ :grin:




NOTE I was just joking.  Just trying to have something to laugh at in such a fucked up topic. 




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    #1428589 - 04/04/03 01:00 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

racist... :smirk:


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Re: this is the kind of shit we should be standing up against... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1428597 - 04/04/03 01:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

/shrug.......I'm not so much a racist, I'm more of a stupidist.


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    #1428697 - 04/04/03 01:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

That's pretty sickening. For once I actually feel glad to live in this country...

I wonder how the executioners feel when they are throwing rocks at a woman's face?


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Re: this is the kind of shit we should be standing up against... [Re: Xlea321]
    #1428715 - 04/04/03 01:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Well, excepting the thousands in death row in america waiting to be burned in an electric chair...



yeah, gotta feel sorry for those murderers and rapists. The death penalty is not the problem, the problem is a women getting the death penalty for having a kid, that's bullshit. personally i believe that every single convicted murderer should be put to death.


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Re: this is the kind of shit we should be standing up against... [Re: flow]
    #1428812 - 04/04/03 02:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

whether you believe it's just or injust to give a convicted murderer a lethal injection, i think we'd all agree that stoning anyone in the face for 'adultery' is some fucked up shit.

hmm... legislating religious morals and making a crime out of something that is not a crime and imposing draconian penalties for disobedience... nah... we wouldn't do that here in the west....


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Re: this is the kind of shit we should be standing up against... [Re: Xlea321]
    #1428955 - 04/04/03 03:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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UNLIKE MOST of us, 31-year-old Amina Lawal knows exactly how she's supposed to die.

Well, excepting the thousands in death row in america waiting to be burned in an electric chair...





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Re: this is the kind of shit we should be standing up against... [Re: Skikid16]
    #1428959 - 04/04/03 03:49 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Well, excepting the thousands in death row in america waiting to be burned in an electric chair...

How can you compare a divorced woman who has a child out of wedlock to murderers? Also the Electric chair is no longer used!!!


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    #1429000 - 04/04/03 04:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

nah, they still use the chair in some states. it's mostly lethal injection now though. i don't even know why they bother with complex, messy, painful methods like gas and electrecution anymore.


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    #1429007 - 04/04/03 04:09 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i don't see how stoning a woman for adultery is more insane or barbaric than sentencing a peaceful individual to 30 years of ass-poundings in a cage for cultivating illegal plants or fungi.


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Re: this is the kind of shit we should be standing up against... [Re: flow]
    #1429044 - 04/04/03 04:20 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

"personally i believe that every single convicted murderer should be put to death."

Yeah, especially the many wrongly convicted ones.

I don't think you can really compare the two. There is a valid case for execution of murderers and rapists, despite the fact that I disagree with it.

It's pretty straightforward in this case though, I think it's pretty obvious that nobody should be executed for having children out of wedlock.


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