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teck345
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logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop?
#14282264 - 04/13/11 04:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have grown skeptical of everything with age. I was wandering what you folks thought about this phenomena and if you've ever experienced it. I have experienced it before on high doses. I have a few explanations/thoughts but I wanna hear yall out first. thanks ^_^
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: teck345]
#14283400 - 04/13/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What do you mean by mental time loop?
Or.... is this one of those things that is obvious to those who have experience it?
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: Noteworthy]
#14283405 - 04/13/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I find looking for explanations about this phenomena is ...? wierd. Can`t think of any good one right now.
Would like to see what you have to share with us.
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: Damkina] 1
#14283455 - 04/13/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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the human mind has the ability to feel deja vu. and the psychedelic experience is known for amplifying feelings and emotions.
maybe on psychdelics that feeling is disorted through time and exaggerated to the point of experiencing however many loops, in no time (or sometimes over hours, if you're looping because you keep physically repeating the same actions, again to fulfill the deja vu)
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microdotty
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: gabbaganchi]
#14283738 - 04/13/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have experienced a time loop on LSD before but not for years... its just like groundhog day.. except every few seconds..
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: microdotty]
#14283813 - 04/13/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I experienced that phenomenon my first time on mushrooms and my first time taking DXM.
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: healing]
#14283875 - 04/13/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I was in a loop with 10+g fresh cubes in tea form.
There was a glass of water on the floor , nearing the exit of my efficiency apt. One of the loops I was in kept making me get up, take a few steps towards the door, kick the water over (spilled), make it one step outside my door, then that repeated over and over. I could feel the 'reset' point, which felt like 'unzipping' back to the beginning...
That experience lasted a good while, each time I would make it one step further before I 'unzipped' back to the beginning. Every time, kicking the water over and spilling it. Ugh, irresponsible dosage.
I haven't tripped high doses since.
As far as theories...My experience let me take one step further each time, until I made it out of the loop...talk about 'riding it out'...I'm still not sure what was supposed to be learned from that. :P
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: healing]
#14283900 - 04/13/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the re-occurrence of the beginning of the loop is triggered associatively by the end every time the loop goes 'round the associative connection that glues the loop together strengthens i.e. more connections in the brain between end-object and beginning-object these connections are in memory and since the loop is short the memory-proteins are still active at the end of the loop and are thus more susceptible to reflect into consciousness
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: Dscid]
#14283905 - 04/13/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dscid said: Yeah, I was in a loop with 10+g fresh cubes in tea form.
There was a glass of water on the floor , nearing the exit of my efficiency apt. One of the loops I was in kept making me get up, take a few steps towards the door, kick the water over (spilled), make it one step outside my door, then that repeated over and over. I could feel the 'reset' point, which felt like 'unzipping' back to the beginning...
That experience lasted a good while, each time I would make it one step further before I 'unzipped' back to the beginning. Every time, kicking the water over and spilling it. Ugh, irresponsible dosage.
I haven't tripped high doses since.
As far as theories...My experience let me take one step further each time, until I made it out of the loop...talk about 'riding it out'...I'm still not sure what was supposed to be learned from that. :P
I'm actually in the descent stages of a pretty hefty, and probably irresponsible dose of aya right now. ~15 grams.
I freaked out for about 30 minutes, but I would say in a good way. I found myself in a mild time loop. Hard to explain, but I feel like only a small percentage of my brain was feeling it...
My explanation is that the brain experiences something significant during a trip, and sometimes sends itself back to re-experience what it saw as important.
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: Dscid]
#14283907 - 04/13/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dscid said: I'm still not sure what was supposed to be learned from that. :P
You learned how frustrating your mind can be if you let it work itself into a loop.
Psychedelics don't necessarily teach you something. Some times it's just about getting fucked up.
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: Ferdinando]
#14283913 - 04/13/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe were actually time traveling when we do it...
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: healing]
#14283927 - 04/13/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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healing said:
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Dscid said: I'm still not sure what was supposed to be learned from that. :P
You learned how frustrating your mind can be if you let it work itself into a loop.
Psychedelics don't necessarily teach you something. Some times it's just about getting fucked up.
I agree. I almost always take psychedelics just to get fucked up, but sometimes I take something good out of those trips. I'm of the opinion that Going into a trip expecting something is not the best route. But if you take something good out of that experience, then great!!
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: healing]
#14284005 - 04/13/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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healing said:
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Dscid said: I'm still not sure what was supposed to be learned from that. :P
You learned how frustrating your mind can be if you let it work itself into a loop.
Psychedelics don't necessarily teach you something. Some times it's just about getting fucked up.
I suppose I did learn that, lol.
Though irresponsible, I wasn't taking it to get fucked up. T'was blindly 'chasing the shroom' as a spiritual pursuit...and wanted to see the end of the road.
I have taken that dosage dry, and many other 5g+, but that trip was a whole different animal (and feel).
Now I have the mindset like that of the natives, where you don't need to increase dosage, you need to increase your sensitivity.
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: Dscid]
#14284011 - 04/13/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dscid said: Yeah, I was in a loop with 10+g fresh cubes in tea form.
There was a glass of water on the floor , nearing the exit of my efficiency apt. One of the loops I was in kept making me get up, take a few steps towards the door, kick the water over (spilled), make it one step outside my door, then that repeated over and over. I could feel the 'reset' point, which felt like 'unzipping' back to the beginning...
That experience lasted a good while, each time I would make it one step further before I 'unzipped' back to the beginning. Every time, kicking the water over and spilling it. Ugh, irresponsible dosage.
I haven't tripped high doses since.
As far as theories...My experience let me take one step further each time, until I made it out of the loop...talk about 'riding it out'...I'm still not sure what was supposed to be learned from that. :P
wow I think I understand what this mental time loop is now.
And I experienced it in a past trippe.
At the time I thought that life had kind of finnished and my reality had been frozen in a highly optimal frame of reality. Thought it wasnt frozen, I could progress it in small incriments, each time it seemed like the frame of reality reset and that I was stuck in a state perpetually. Until I realised that I could make changes. I was in a tent and I eventually decided to go outside and do a piss. I went outside and saw people appearing and dissapearing amongst the trees. It was kind of creepy but I realised that they were fine. They were talking about my trip, everything they said was about things Id been thinking about in my trip. I realised afterwards how unlikely this was. Once I did the piss, I did some pushups and my partner woke up and I knew I was out of the loop.
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: Noteworthy]
#14284019 - 04/13/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cool story bro!
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: Noteworthy]
#14284100 - 04/13/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, the fact that most things we experience are loops might have something to do with it. Night/day, sleep/wake, water cycle, energy cycles, the earth's rotation (calendars), etc. are all loops. The reconnection with nature might have something to do with it.
Maybe our brains are just too overwhelmed, or our minds are too high to comprehend anything other than what's in the loop, or maybe the loop has trapped us until it feels we have learned some sort of lesson.  ...or maybe, as Joe Molly will sure enough say, it's just bullshit and doesn't even happen. 
I tend to lean towards my first guess. As in the computer science field, I often spend time programming loops. It's easy to see how effective they are and how necessary they are for almost any sort of application that needs to be run in any way. I think nature (including us) is just "programmed" in this way and we have managed to derive our own version, using our own language, for machines.
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: Cynosure]
#14284305 - 04/13/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Last time I took acid there were whole 5 minute periods where we were sitting in circles and smoking pot (I was on Alex Gray blotter, 3 hits). I was looking at these people, (about 4) around in this circle, and I had this strange feeling that I needed to follow one of them, or else I was going to sit in this stranger circle forever. Eventually, I did follow one of them, but it was the guy I was at this festival with. I just felt like I could've followed these other friends (although not quite as long as the person I followed) and my life would just completely change.
Idk, strange LSD trips. I saw zombies later that night too.
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: Joolz]
#14284341 - 04/13/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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heres a cool thread that I started about 7 months ago called "exploring time with Psychedelics"
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13094021#13094021
definitely had some interesting ideas on what I like to call Psychedelic time distortion, and its effects on the linear timeline of events that most people experience day to day.
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: Cynosure]
#14284370 - 04/13/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cynosure said:Well, the fact that most things we experience are loops might have something to do with it. Night/day, sleep/wake, water cycle, energy cycles, the earth's rotation (calendars), etc. are all loops. The reconnection with nature might have something to do with it.
Maybe our brains are just too overwhelmed, or our minds are too high to comprehend anything other than what's in the loop, or maybe the loop has trapped us until it feels we have learned some sort of lesson.  ...or maybe, as Joe Molly will sure enough say, it's just bullshit and doesn't even happen. 
I tend to lean towards my first guess. As in the computer science field, I often spend time programming loops. It's easy to see how effective they are and how necessary they are for almost any sort of application that needs to be run in any way. I think nature (including us) is just "programmed" in this way and we have managed to derive our own version, using our own language, for machines. 
Yeah, it definitely takes the circuitry that already exists for our normal functioning and skullfucks it. We are by nature pattern seeking creatures, we get up everyday and expect the sun to rise, our car to start, piss and shit to excrete and so on. It's central to our lives, so I guess its only natural for these drugs to somehow warp those mental phenomena.
My time loops are always made even more terrifying by having my thoughts constantly opposed by their opposite. It's an endless struggle where every positive is countered by a negative, light by dark, love with hate, the end with the beginning, and life with death in some territory within and outside of time. The only time I ever enjoy them is if it is a euphoric time loop - everlasting ecstasy. It's those trips that keep me coming back for more, those sneaky bastards.
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Re: logical reasons for getting suck in a mental time loop? [Re: joemolloy]
#14284655 - 04/13/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Amanitas are infamous for loops. Why would one substance be so much more prone to throwing its user into a loop?
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