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Ayahuasca vs. Pure smoked dmt.
#9981236 - 03/16/09 11:19 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I want to know from the people who have tried both (Rue + Mimosa isn't ayahuasca btw, I want Caapi + DMT admix, the admix doesn't matter, as long as it has caapi and dmt.) which they find more helpful, and which they find more enjoyable.
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Re: Ayahuasca vs. Pure smoked dmt. [Re: The Centre]
#9984615 - 03/16/09 08:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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bump, so that this one doesn't get buried. interesting topic.
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Re: Ayahuasca vs. Pure smoked dmt. [Re: EntheogenVids]
#9984622 - 03/16/09 08:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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nvm
Edited by suburbantoker (03/16/09 08:02 PM)
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Re: Ayahuasca vs. Pure smoked dmt. [Re: suburbanned]
#9986664 - 03/17/09 01:27 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bump again.
I really want to know.
Also, here is a thing to consider. Multiple DMT sessions in close succession to help with integration. Like 3 or 4, like the dose response study in DMT: the spirit molecule, they seemed to have the most spiritual and healing benefit.
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Re: Ayahuasca vs. Pure smoked dmt. [Re: The Centre]
#9987408 - 03/17/09 09:02 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ayahuasca rulez
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Re: Ayahuasca vs. Pure smoked dmt. [Re: emsee]
#9987533 - 03/17/09 09:31 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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you know I have asked a similar question and have not gotten any answers?What is the difference in the effects?I know Ayah last longer but is it just like a long DMT trip or is it different and if so how?Evey one seems to dance around the question,it makes me wounder if there really is that many people on the shroomery that have taken Ayah.
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Re: Ayahuasca vs. Pure smoked dmt. [Re: DNBplus]
#9987696 - 03/17/09 10:09 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, I am betting that there may only be a handfull of folks here that have journeyed with both. This is an interesting question to be sure, as I am sure MANY of us are curious to try both delivery systems.
Personally, I am leaning more toward smokeable, due to the guts being ripped to shred aya experience, but from the posts I've read, aya seems to impart a VERY spiritual and long lasting experience.
But the spice appears to destroy one's concept of reality as they know it.
Both are on my to-do list one day.
Hopefully some of the psychonauts will chime in here with experiences.
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EthericOctopuss said: Yeah, I am betting that there may only be a handfull of folks here that have journeyed with both. This is an interesting question to be sure, as I am sure MANY of us are curious to try both delivery systems.
Personally, I am leaning more toward smokeable, due to the guts being ripped to shred aya experience, but from the posts I've read, aya seems to impart a VERY spiritual and long lasting experience.
But the spice appears to destroy one's concept of reality as they know it.
Both are on my to-do list one day.
Hopefully some of the psychonauts will chime in here with experiences.
That is what I have read too, but, from what I have read up on smoked/injected dmt it is like there hardly ever is a bad trip, while the same can't be said about ayahuasca... I have read quite some good things about both, and what I would really like to do one day is to drink ayahuasca, and immediatly after, before MAOI can take effect, smoke DMT, and then integrate the intense experience through the Ayahuasca.
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Re: Ayahuasca vs. Pure smoked dmt. [Re: The Centre]
#9988860 - 03/17/09 02:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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erowid.org people
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Re: Ayahuasca vs. Pure smoked dmt. [Re: The Centre]
#9989273 - 03/17/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'll b happy to share my own opinion on this I have used Ayahuasca as well as Pharmahuasca a couple few dozen times.
I have done Ayahuasca- Psychotria Vidris and Banisteriopsis Caapi brew. I prefer Pharmahuasca- MHRB with a Harmaline tincture potentiator. I prefer Pharmahuasca because I maintain control of my facilities. In other words I like Pharmahuasca because It doesn't make me shit myself and puke all night. My experience is that the level of psychedelia is the same between the two. I find the oral DMT experience to be somewhat similar to a mega shroom dose only with much more open eye visuals. Imagine being on the biggest shroom trip you have ever been on x10 and then add puking and uncontrolled shitting. Imagine the drama that that plays on your mind. Your attempting to enjoy, understand, no, your attempting to make heads or tails out of what is happening to you and then you add all the shitting and purging. It plays hell on your mind. IMO, my experience has been just that with Ayahuasca. I notice nothing different in the Psychedelic Voyage adding Caapi to the mix. All I experience is physical ailment. Take Caapi out of the mix and add Syrian Rue or better yet a Harmaline extract and MHRB and I have an out of this world enjoyable mega psychedelic experience without a bunch of foul shit happening to me. I don't purge at all when doing Pharmahuasca. I am more comfortable there for I am able to enjoy my voyage. Some say that it isn't Ayahuasca without the Caapi purge. OK, so be it. Some say your not getting the full experience without the fasting and the purge. OK, great. In a traditionalist point of view I am a big pussy thrill seeker who doesn't respect the whole ritual. OK, so be it. I love Pharmahuasca I enjoy it and I have voyaged father on that than I ever could on Ayahuasca because I have 100% full mental and physical capacity going into it. I could give so many more examples but I think you get my point.
I have smoked DMT several dozen times Smoked DMT is a tough one for me because I go from sane and sober to threshold /breakthrough DMT experience in under 10 seconds. For me its a personal thing. Thats tough on me. I get this feeling every time that I have stopped breathing and that I may be dead. I go through this sense of impending doom moment and and then the acute ringing or alarm bells go off in my head and then I'm there... Pure bliss. Smoked DMT is without a doubt the most visual most intense most psychedelic experience. For me, IMHO, in my experience, that first few seconds can be rough at times. I still smoke DMT with regularity. I have all kinds of anxiety every time I do it. I still do it. I am drawn to it.
All of that being said, If I have the time and resources Pharmahuasca is the way to go. It is loonytoons psychedelia and yet still as spiritual as I want it to be and its enjoyable.
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!I have the same EXACT problems with smoke [Re: Ice House Shaman]
#9989619 - 03/17/09 03:58 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ice House Shaman said: I'll b happy to share my own opinion on this I have used Ayahuasca as well as Pharmahuasca a couple few dozen times.
I have done Ayahuasca- Psychotria Vidris and Banisteriopsis Caapi brew. I prefer Pharmahuasca- MHRB with a Harmaline tincture potentiator. I prefer Pharmahuasca because I maintain control of my facilities. In other words I like Pharmahuasca because It doesn't make me shit myself and puke all night. My experience is that the level of psychedelia is the same between the two. I find the oral DMT experience to be somewhat similar to a mega shroom dose only with much more open eye visuals. Imagine being on the biggest shroom trip you have ever been on x10 and then add puking and uncontrolled shitting. Imagine the drama that that plays on your mind. Your attempting to enjoy, understand, no, your attempting to make heads or tails out of what is happening to you and then you add all the shitting and purging. It plays hell on your mind. IMO, my experience has been just that with Ayahuasca. I notice nothing different in the Psychedelic Voyage adding Caapi to the mix. All I experience is physical ailment. Take Caapi out of the mix and add Syrian Rue or better yet a Harmaline extract and MHRB and I have an out of this world enjoyable mega psychedelic experience without a bunch of foul shit happening to me. I don't purge at all when doing Pharmahuasca. I am more comfortable there for I am able to enjoy my voyage. Some say that it isn't Ayahuasca without the Caapi purge. OK, so be it. Some say your not getting the full experience without the fasting and the purge. OK, great. In a traditionalist point of view I am a big pussy thrill seeker who doesn't respect the whole ritual. OK, so be it. I love Pharmahuasca I enjoy it and I have voyaged father on that than I ever could on Ayahuasca because I have 100% full mental and physical capacity going into it. I could give so many more examples but I think you get my point.
I have smoked DMT several dozen times Smoked DMT is a tough one for me because I go from sane and sober to threshold /breakthrough DMT experience in under 10 seconds. For me its a personal thing. Thats tough on me. I get this feeling every time that I have stopped breathing and that I may be dead. I go through this sense of impending doom moment and and then the acute ringing or alarm bells go off in my head and then I'm there... Pure bliss. Smoked DMT is without a doubt the most visual most intense most psychedelic experience. For me, IMHO, in my experience, that first few seconds can be rough at times. I still smoke DMT with regularity. I have all kinds of anxiety every time I do it. I still do it. I am drawn to it.
All of that being said, If I have the time and resources Pharmahuasca is the way to go. It is loonytoons psychedelia and yet still as spiritual as I want it to be and its enjoyable.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH!I have the same EXACT problems with smoking DMT.I cant relax thinking that I am not remembering to breath and therefor that thought sends me into a bad state of mind.I have to smoke small amounts of DMT to enjoy it.I have broken threw one time and that was when I took some xanax to and it really help ease the anxiety,I wish I did not have to take that shit in order to enjoy the trip but its the only way That is why I have been asking the difference in Ayah and smoked DMT.I can Handel a hard trip for hours but I could not handle the huge body load like with DMT.
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Re: !I have the same EXACT problems with smoke [Re: DNBplus]
#9989697 - 03/17/09 04:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you truely want to enjoy the full potential of DMT without any physical or mental discomfort I suggest-
pharmahuasca in a pill
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Re: !I have the same EXACT problems with smoke [Re: Ice House Shaman] 1
#9989745 - 03/17/09 04:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ice House Shaman said: If you truely want to enjoy the full potential of DMT without any physical or mental discomfort I suggest-
pharmahuasca in a pill
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Re: Ayahuasca vs. Pure smoked dmt. [Re: thedudenj]
#9989865 - 03/17/09 04:25 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know dude, you are a traditionalist. You believe in the power of the brew.
Let me ask you, do you still purge every time?
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Re: !I have the same EXACT problems with smoke [Re: Ice House Shaman]
#9990112 - 03/17/09 05:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks man.All this talk got me hyped up and I smoked some DMT about 45min ago.I Hate the body load so bad.I can barley smoke enough to get good visuals.Damn my bad anxiety,you do not understand how bad I want to brake threw all the time and see what I can learn,but my body will not allow it  When I took the xanax and took a big hit,I was after about 10 seconds I realized I was no longer in my room but I was still laying in my bed.I looked to the right where I knew my turntables and mixer was on a 4 foot long table.Well when I say that the decks where no longer there,they where not but there was a two foot long black table with three black futuristic looking devices on it.I said to myself "what the fuck is that"?A female voice chimed in and started telling me that it was futuristic equipment to produce music,then I started really tripping out and looked at a coke can that was sitting next to me,The can looked about ten times larger than it should and the writing on the can look like hieroglyphics.That was just a taste of what I experienced and I loved it I wish I could reach that point again.I think I will try Phar
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Ice House Shaman said:
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I know dude, you are a traditionalist. You believe in the power of the brew.
Let me ask you, do you still purge every time?
i never purged everything other people generally wouldnt pruge all the time too. ill explain in a bit but you cant say im exactly a traditionalist tho kinda. its more about the tradition cause i do smoke dmt but i wont go out of my way to do it
any who purging
no i dont purge every time.
only with the first couple brews.
second i realized you can purge for people that youre brewing for so they dont have to. tho them purging is always stronger.
um purging isnt really needed for a strong brew i have many really happy people from my brews and including myself when it came to non purging.
its all about the brew and brewer when it comes to that stuff. tho when people dont purge that energy builds up and the times you purge and dont trip. i have had a bunch of times of purging with with out trip its like an exchange. or something
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Re: Ayahuasca vs. Pure smoked dmt. [Re: thedudenj]
#10042513 - 03/25/09 10:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I vote smoked
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Re: Ayahuasca vs. Pure smoked dmt. [Re: thedudenj]
#14282023 - 04/13/11 02:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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second i realized you can purge for people that youre brewing for so they dont have to. tho them purging is always stronger.
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I just had to question this. Maybe I'm understanding what you're trying to say wrong, but are you trying to say you can puke and/or shit so that someone else doesn't have to? I must be misunderstanding what you're trying to say since it's not like someone can perform bodily functions in place of another person doing it. If that were possible I'd have people do all my shitting for me.
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