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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Belac]
    #14281783 - 04/13/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Get the stuff that has neither meth or heroin...





:lol: come on man to perpetuate the myth's. Why the fuck would someone put heroin in a pill? that shits expensive as fuck, an RC bought in bulk would be much more reasonable

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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14281788 - 04/13/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:lol: come on man to perpetuate the myth's. Why the fuck would someone put heroin in a pill? that shits expensive as fuck, an RC bought in bulk would be much more reasonable




I regret to inform you that a significant proportion of clandestine chemists are actually less knowledgeable than you are.


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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14281794 - 04/13/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:confused:

im not sure what that meant but i used to spend a shit ton of time on pill reports and there wasnt one confirmed case of opiate based ecstasy. Just noobs who got MDA or something and were a little down and assume H

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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: The Whale]
    #14281795 - 04/13/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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MDMA filters more social and psychological bullshit than it causes.

This is only a problem with individuals at a party if the meeting is under the pretense of egos, social games like partner hunting, false friendships or repressed animosity.

Weirdness only comes out because you either aren't being honest with yourself, or you aren't being honest with someone else. MDMA works in such a unique way though that if stigma still persists between people, they usually either agree to work it out, part ways quickly, or ignore it and seek stimulation elsewhere.

The false promises and spewing of intimate details is just a catalyzing of the flood gates. It doesn't put anything there that wasn't already there to begin with. Those little pressed pills don't contain your memories, ideas, dreams, fantasies, fears, etc. The question is whether or not you are comfortable being yourself - and around which type of people.



agreed.

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it's basically just a lovey-dovey version of speed. (And yes, I'm talking about the pure stuff, not pressed pill cut with actual speed.)



disagreed. it's not just a lovey dovey version of anything... it's not LIKE anything. the euphoria CAN be really shallow... trust me, i've noted and told my friends about all the same shit.

it's up to you how you use it, though. :shrug:

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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14281808 - 04/13/11 01:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:lol: come on man to perpetuate the myth's. Why the fuck would someone put heroin in a pill? that shits expensive as fuck, an RC bought in bulk would be much more reasonable




I regret to inform you that a significant proportion of clandestine chemists are actually less knowledgeable than you are.




1. Clandestine chemist presses the substance hes making for way way cheap.
2. He buys heroin at a huge price and presses it to look like ecstasy just to fool people and offset his more profitable production of mdma.

:freshwtf:


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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14281813 - 04/13/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm fully open to the idea that the euphoria of MDMA can be a very special, beautiful thing.

I've had a couple of MDMA experiences that I considered, for a long time, to be genuinely meaningful. Now, I'm honestly not so sure. I see them as potentially representing more of a lapse of inhibition (for better or for worse) rather than being truly mind-expanding experiences.

And I have also had many experiences with the raw, dehumanized nature of MDMA's euphoria that have convinced me it's capable of misleading and destroying people.

In my experience it's been pretty much like speed. The difference is in how the euphoria manifests; in speed's case it's a kind of anti-social, hedonistic kind of euphoria, whereas in ecstasy it's more of an egoic, tactile kind of euphoria. Taking that into account, speed and MDMA follow otherwise identical patterns.

I should clarify that I take ritalin to help me with school, so I'm really not trying to hand down judgments. :shrug:


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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Felinor]
    #14281822 - 04/13/11 01:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:lol: come on man to perpetuate the myth's. Why the fuck would someone put heroin in a pill? that shits expensive as fuck, an RC bought in bulk would be much more reasonable




I regret to inform you that a significant proportion of clandestine chemists are actually less knowledgeable than you are.




1. Clandestine chemist presses the substance hes making for way way cheap.
2. He buys heroin at a huge price and presses it to look like ecstasy just to fool people and offset his more profitable production of mdma.

:freshwtf:




So the clandestine chemist figures he can press some heroin into some pills, get some fools addicted, and become the biggest pill peddler in town.

Of course it'll never work. You and I know that because we've dabbled and have at least half a brain. But it's a serious mistake to assume everybody out there has the same mental capacity you do.


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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14281850 - 04/13/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm fully open to the idea that the euphoria of MDMA can be a very special, beautiful thing.

I've had a couple of MDMA experiences that I considered, for a long time, to be genuinely meaningful. Now, I'm honestly not so sure. I see them as potentially representing more of a lapse of inhibition (for better or for worse) than being truly mind-expanding experiences.

And I have also had many experiences with the raw, dehumanized nature of MDMA's euphoria that have convinced me it's capable of misleading and destroying people.

In my experience it's been pretty much like speed. The difference is in how the euphoria manifests; in speed's case it's a kind of anti-social, hedonistic kind of euphoria, whereas in ecstasy it's more of a personal, egoic kind of euphoria.

I should clarify that I take ritalin to help me with school, so I'm really not trying to hand down judgments. :shrug:



well... i agree for the most part, entirely... i've seen some dehumanizing aspects too, and you know what i've said to those people who i have seen lapse into "judgment" on MDMA, i've told is merely a fear based response and to do something to find your headspace and to do something in ones OWN headspace to at least limit the exposure to ones "inhibited" mind.

but one thing i will disagree with is the legitimacy of it. i believe you can take it either way you want... if you want to say it was a lapse of judgment... then you go right on ahead. REAL things have been established with my understanding of those experiences; even if it seems fake... haha, that is only your focal point and understanding... doesn't mean, that is "JUST WHAT ECSTACY DOES". :crazy2:

but like i said, hey, i agree for the most part. :tongue: i've seen all the same shit man... people losing identifying marks that they frequent... thusly getting stupider... or lets say... being inhibited enough to to say something flatulent, like i love you, without it having any significant meaning other then "whoa, i am high".

but then i have also seen the opposites where people have learned things about themselves and thought it meant something to them to keep it... and also having people REALLY open up and talk about their feelings and in an open manner; not provoking the fear response... which in opinion, is the thing that cause most troubles to begin with... let alone with dealing with an MDMA "trip". :tongue:

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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14281862 - 04/13/11 01:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I put in the "(for better or for worse)" for a reason. I would say I've made positive personal developments because of ecstasy. I would still say that, even as I am reconsidering the personal and social value of ecstasy.

I just don't think that positive personal development by means of ecstasy is a reliable thing. In most people it seems as likely to just cause addiction and depression as it is to cause any kind of personal growth.

For that reason I just don't feel comfortable straightforwardly advocating that people take ecstasy. I will tell anybody to take LSD, or mushrooms, or DMT, or 2C-E, unless I have good reason to believe that they are mentally unstable. With those drugs, even misleading or "bad" experiences tend to carry beneficial personal lessons. There's much more "gray" area with ecstasy, simply because it causes such an overriding euphoria.


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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14281870 - 04/13/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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MDMA is a seriously overrated drug IMO. I'll agree it's a lot of fun, but it's fun the same way stimulant amphetamines are. When people actually call MDMA psychedelic I get like all :zomgwtf:. Pot is far more psychedelic and yet still not considered "psychedelic" by most people.



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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Apostle]
    #14281878 - 04/13/11 01:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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MDMA is a seriously overrated drug IMO. I'll agree it's a lot of fun, but it's fun the same way stimulant amphetamines are. When people actually call MDMA psychedelic I get like all :zomgwtf:. Pot is far more psychedelic and yet still not considered "psychedelic" by most people.



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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14281913 - 04/13/11 01:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I just don't think that positive personal development by means of ecstasy is a reliable thing. In most people it seems as likely to just cause addiction and depression as it is to cause any kind of personal growth.

For that reason I just don't feel comfortable straightforwardly advocating that people take ecstasy. I will tell anybody to take LSD, or mushrooms, or DMT, or 2C-E, unless I have good reason to believe that they are mentally unstable. With those drugs, even misleading or "bad" experiences tend to carry beneficial personal lessons. There's much more "gray" area with ecstasy, simply because it causes such an overriding euphoria.



i hear what you are saying now... and again, i agree 100%.

i never try to influence anybody, into taking a drug, EVEN IF I THINK it's a good idea, for that person; i won't tell them what they can do with a drug before i tell them what i am thinking in the first place, and if said person attests to the personality of the drug, then i might mention it... but only in the case of my favorite dr00gs... the psychedelic ones... but even then... you can't just go around influencing everyone, anyway... whether your intentions are good or not, because influence sways, and everyone sees THAT in a different way.

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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14281927 - 04/13/11 01:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just figure that my words always influence people, even if it's unintentional... and so I'm seriously guarded in my praise of MDMA.

I'm also somewhat optimistic about psychedelics at the moment. A friend of mine was seriously struggling with addiction to heroin and meth. I got her on some 2C-E and mushrooms a few times, and since then she has changed massively for the better - taking really good care of herself, finding tons of cool new hobbies. She's actually told me she owes much of this to the psychedelic experiences I shared with her. I really think that psychedelics, for all that they can potentially cause misdirection and confusion, are more likely to clear the way for spiritual growth.


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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14281959 - 04/13/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

sometimes... psychedelics, in my opinion, can be harder to determine the use for... for some, it's almost a detriment to do psychedelics, in less there is somekind of guide or something.

opening up, is a huge part of the psychedelic expierence.

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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14281962 - 04/13/11 02:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah but...dont shrooms make you gay? :bubbles:


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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14281995 - 04/13/11 02:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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sometimes... psychedelics, in my opinion, can be harder to determine the use for... for some, it's almost a detriment to do psychedelics, in less there is somekind of guide or something.

opening up, is a huge part of the psychedelic expierence.




There was this moment, when we were on 2C-E, where she cried her eyes out, for some reason I wasn't even clear on. One of her friends had told her that her ex, who she had been completely strung-out on heroin with, hated her. Being told this caused her to cry uncontrollably. I have no idea why.

I'm sure it owes something to the emotional lability inherent to the psychedelic experience, but it was a really surreal moment. She looked me in the eyes as tears drenched her face, explaining to me that she was crying for this reason totally incomprehensible to me. And even as I was completely baffled by the reasoning for her sorrow, I felt at that very moment that I was soaking it up, like a rag.

Since then, I haven't talked to her about that moment specifically, but I think it was important. I do think that I took on her sorrow, and being in a better position to cope with it gave her the freedom to pursue her own happiness.

I take psychedelics with all my friends... I feel like I know the territory fairly well, and I love sharing it with people and opening myself up to them. It makes them naturally want to open up with me as well.

With ecstasy, I feel like it blows up the ego even as it lubricates inter-ego relations...


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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14282044 - 04/13/11 02:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well, the mind is still completely associative when on MDMA... so unless you can naturally quell the dopamine response, in your personality, then you will end up with the effect of having a softer edge, but not lacking, of an egoistic mindset.

i find on mushrooms, or something more psychedelic then MDMA, to have the exact same effect... only it's even LESS noticeable, considering your fundamental understanding of your personality changes whilst on those substances... so what you're left with, is sorting it all out, afterwards... whether or not you feel or felt "good" or bad" about what you experienced.

in my HONEST opinion, i think it's up to the person taking the drug... in all honesty. i am not a ball to the wall advocate to MDMA or anything... i am just saying, i've seen the same responses, no matter where you go to.

acid, is a huge ego inflator, in my opinion, but yet no one will agree with that sentiment, usually... but i am certain of it, too...

i ain't gonna say that you CAN'T use it WITHOUT that sorta response tinkering with your experience of memory, though... cause i have... hell, i have acid trips where i've had responses that have caused me to dwell in the deepest corners of my own self-made hell...

why did i endure this, you might ask? wrong place and wrong time to the Acid, and with the wrong person... a person whom always has his ego inflated with ACID, and more-so then with ANY other substance... hell, i seen it beforehand and thought, oh well, he'll see it later... but it took a long ass time, and throughout that time i was telling him about it... tripping with him still and trying to just have my own fun trips whilst he kept on shitting on me and others... to provide for his own mind... and one time i tripped sorta like... in a corner... and what happens? this guy goes to sleep... yeah, that's right... he said that my mishap, bored him enough to make him go to sleep and not enjoy his trip as much; and in my own place too..

needless to say, i haven't tripped with him in awhile, but that's not to say that i've given up on him... we all live and learn... but my point is... you can't always get what you want with a psychedelic experience (obviously) so you can't always see the work you are doing convince yourself in that state.

which is why it is best to let go and inhabit the headspace in which best suits you, and not your ideal concept of whatever "trip" you are looking for.

whoa, i am high as shit.

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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14282052 - 04/13/11 02:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I've found that the psychedelic experience always "works" best when you go into it without actually planning or intending for any outcome in particular.

It's the powerful action of MDMA on the reward centers that makes people "want" it even when they don't have a good reason to.

Hmmmmm... :yinyang: :strokebeard:

LSD actually does have dopamine action that most psychedelics lack. Also, I have found that my ego usually remains strong throughout the acid trip unless I take specific steps (such as meditation) to silence it.

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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14282112 - 04/13/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

indeed. more people then ever are being exposed to these.... erm... substances. :grin:

what to do, oh what to do....

(meditating and mediating our conscious and unconscious minds would be a good start)

then step two: enjoy the hearts and minds of ourselves, with or without "seeking behaviour" and with or without illusions.

cause in the end, nothing should care more then us.

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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14282339 - 04/13/11 05:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it's just a party chem :shrug:

the crowd usually makes the experience, i will say

if you are going to shitty etard raves with kandi kids running around you are going to have a shitty time, on drugs, or not:shrug:


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