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Hi Im a newbie here...could use some help
    #14281614 - 04/13/11 12:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hello All,

I just wanted to find something out..
Im in the process of having my jars colonize...I am going to be applying a casing layer once the jars are completely colonized. As I am using cracked corn. The casing materials i will sue are horse manure and jiffy mix.

My question though is after i apply the casing layer and wrap it up with tin foil i let it sit till i can see the little bits of white on top, from what i gather. But Do I use a small 4 inch deep topper ware for this step, or can i dump all my jars once they are each fully colonized, because I have about 12 jars in process, can I dump all of those jars into this big storage bin I have? As in, put some casing layer on the bottom then the colonized corns on top, then more casing layer on top, and then cover the entire storage bin? Or will that cause contamination from the jars some how?

Should I keep everything seperate in smaller bins for the casing layer? Then how do i bring it to the fruiting chamber, or can that bin i used for the casing layer be the fruiting chamber?

Thats what im stuck on now...
Any help would be great.


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Re: Hi Im a newbie here...could use some help [Re: emergencyx]
    #14281663 - 04/13/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Casing?  Are you referring to a bulk substrate or what?  Your post is very confusing...


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Re: Hi Im a newbie here...could use some help [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14281667 - 04/13/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i GrOw StUFF said:
Casing?  Are you referring to a bulk substrate or what?  Your post is very confusing...





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Re: Hi Im a newbie here...could use some help [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14281683 - 04/13/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sorryim tired and wrote it while imgetting rdy for bed.

I think its called casing....where you take the coloniEd jar. Break it up.  Have a small layer of horse manure and jify mix then put ur colonized jar pieces in the midddle then more material on the top of manure and jiffy mix.


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Re: Hi Im a newbie here...could use some help [Re: emergencyx]
    #14281687 - 04/13/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Jiffy Mix is used as a casing layer.
Manure is a bulk substrate.
These are two VERY different things.


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Re: Hi Im a newbie here...could use some help [Re: emergencyx]
    #14281827 - 04/13/11 01:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

emergencyx said:
Hello All,

I just wanted to find something out..
Im in the process of having my jars colonize...I am going to be applying a casing layer once the jars are completely colonized. As I am using cracked corn. The casing materials i will sue are horse manure and jiffy mix.

My question though is after i apply the casing layer and wrap it up with tin foil i let it sit till i can see the little bits of white on top, from what i gather. But Do I use a small 4 inch deep topper ware for this step, or can i dump all my jars once they are each fully colonized, because I have about 12 jars in process, can I dump all of those jars into this big storage bin I have? As in, put some casing layer on the bottom then the colonized corns on top, then more casing layer on top, and then cover the entire storage bin? Or will that cause contamination from the jars some how?

Should I keep everything seperate in smaller bins for the casing layer? Then how do i bring it to the fruiting chamber, or can that bin i used for the casing layer be the fruiting chamber?

Thats what im stuck on now...
Any help would be great.




Yes, you have some reading to do, but it sounds like you
are off to a good start.

You will want to use the manure, together with some vermiculite
and maybe some gypsum, as your *bulk substrate*.

You grains are your *spawn* and the action of mixing
your spawn into your bulk sub is called *spawning*.

Once the bulk sub is 100% colonized give it another
week to *consolidate*.

Then you can apply a *casing layer* to the sub.  This is
not mandatory for *cubensis*, but it can help, esp. when
you do not have experience in maintaining *fruiting conditions*

Start by using the search engine above to look up each
of the phrases *above*.  ;0)

...and good luck!

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Re: Hi Im a newbie here...could use some help [Re: Javadog]
    #14282157 - 04/13/11 03:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Javadog said:

Start by using the search engine above to look up each
of the phrases *above*.  ;0)

...and good luck!

JD




JD pretty much covered everything. just wanted to add: be sure to read up on pasteurizing for your hpoo (and if you decide to use a casing layer.)

also, a lot of the info you are going to search for is in my signature link, but the search engine is great :super:

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Re: Hi Im a newbie here...could use some help [Re: Primal Call]
    #14282799 - 04/13/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Ryath said:
Quote:

Javadog said:

Start by using the search engine above to look up each
of the phrases *above*.  ;0)

...and good luck!

JD




JD pretty much covered everything. just wanted to add: be sure to read up on pasteurizing for your hpoo (and if you decide to use a casing layer.)

also, a lot of the info you are going to search for is in my signature link, but the search engine is great :super:

:peace:




Thanks Ryath, that was a glaring exception from my "story".

OP, compare the results of searches of *pasteurization*
to those of *sterilization*.  You will want to use the
former with poo+verm. 

Good luck,

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Re: Hi Im a newbie here...could use some help [Re: Javadog]
    #14283081 - 04/13/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hey sorry i couldnt reply sooner. This is why I am confused. I am following this Guide to the T.

http://www.shroomery.org/10553/The-Rundown-pt-2

But in this section of Horse Manure it says to use horse manure and jiffy mix as the bulk substrate which from my readings is just the bottom layer u add in the storage bin, and then place the cracked corn which has been colonized on top of that. then you shake it around correct? After you shake it around, you put the lid on it and block any light, and make sure it is moist? I also downloaded the Lets Grow Mushrooms videos. There is just alot of stuff that contradicts each other which is why im having a hard time following the directions.


5.) Horse Manure.If you don't live in an area where someone keeps a horse or a donkey get in your car and go for a drive toward the country and you will see some horses.Don't make excuses, go get the horse shit. How much? as much as you can find,transport, and store. When things get rolling in a month or two how much shit you have will largely impact how much quality 'shrooms you're able to produce.Manure will give you dense 'shrooms that are more potent and lose less weight when they dry. Also, manure should make up the foundation of your grow substrate because, well, it's free (and you're a fool if you pay for a single piece of shit -horse shit is free). If you can stock up a hundred pounds of it then that's about half of what you'll want to horde away. Now, to actual field collection. Climb through, over, or under the fence, ( the horses don't bite -Stop being a pussy! ) and pick up the shit. If you see anybody, wave at them -see how they wave back? That's because they hope you take all of their shit. If they come over, be polite. If they bitch, leave. If they ask, tell them the truth, you're growing mushrooms. If you prefer to lie, do so. no one really gives a fuck when you get down to it. At this point I am obligated to add that Straw ( not hay, straw. ) is right up there with horse manure in terms of quality as a bulk substrate. Going back to manure, once you get it home you're going to break down each individual nugget, by hand -don't be a pussy. You can wash your hands when you're done.Better yet, get This video. Casing.Alright, what I do is I take about a quarter of a 12 gallon storage bin of horse manure and ( I use two 12 gallon storage bins as giant manure mixing bowls. ) I add about the same amount of Jiffy Mix ( not just any old potting mix, Jiffy Mix! ). For casing it works a little better if it's a little drier -you can hydrate it a little more, later. Mix it up real good and break up as many little chunks as you can. Pack it tightly ( Tighter! ) into 1/2 gallon jars and put it in a big pot. fill the pot with water until the jars of dirt begin to float. bring to a full boil. Cover with a lid and let boil for another30 minutes; then turn off the stove and let sit for an hour. Now take them out of the water. Use a long metal cooking utensil to help dig the jars out. This is how I pasteurize my casing material ( more Jiffy Mix ) and my bulk manure substrate ( less Jiffy Mix ).


Going to what the next person said. When you say pasturizing, you just mean that I should boil and sterilize the Horse manure and jiffy mixture in a pot like stated above.

I understand all of this. My main question however is, Am I able to combine all of my jars once there are colonized and they have no contaimination in them into one storage bin where my bulk substrate has been prepared then mix them around?

Or will that cause somee sort of issues, and should i use some Tupperware boxes for each individual jar with a little bit of bulk substrate in them and once they start colonizing after a week, How can i transfer that small tupperwear to the bigger storage bin I have?


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Re: Hi Im a newbie here...could use some help [Re: emergencyx]
    #14283355 - 04/13/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Also quicker question, I have the 12 jars total, I didnt know how to do this but, 6 of the jars are in a dark place to colonize, and the other 6 are in a well lit place to colonize....Which should it be?

Also....I left the tin foil on the of the jars on after inoculation and both sets of jars look like there colonizing anyways...

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Re: Hi Im a newbie here...could use some help [Re: emergencyx]
    #14284824 - 04/13/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I read through some of that post you linked... it has some good info, but a lot of commands/instructions based on "Fuck that," which isn't very useful for anyone wanting to take this hobby seriously. You should understand the reasoning behind the things you are doing.

Indirect, ambient light is beneficial for all stages of growth. Keeping them in the dark is old info.

Your dry verm layer and/or a proper filter-lid will keep contaminates at bay if you prepared your jars correctly; Take the foil off your jars.

Visit my sig link, seriously, it has all the info you will need for spawning to bulk including how to pasteurize, making a proper FC, etc.

You definitely have more reading to do, which is to be expected always. Don't get in the habit of reading from only one source; this creates bias. Also, check the dates of the posts you read. If it is 8 years old, it likely has some out-dated information. This is not to say a 2 day old post won't have bad info... this is why you have to read a lot, and pay attention to who is saying it and what experience they have under their belt. Speaking of which, I have little, so be sure you find my comments elsewhere from more experienced mushroom fans before you commit to my relative truths.


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