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the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick
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the fakeness... the embarrasing confessions.. people who take too much and their face does weird shit
damn it gives me the creeps.
that being said, some people handle themselves well on the drug and it doesn't really change them and there is pretty much no sketchy comedown. I think it's cool if you take it when you're already happy, but if you take it to get yourself out of a bad mood then you are just going to need it again the next week or the next month.
some people say that ecstacy changed their life permanently for the better. I am not sure about this.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#14280155 - 04/12/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It def changed mine for the better, I was super shy recluse until I did that. Then I ralised I could be compleletly different and now I have the choice.
It taught me to open up and enjoy life.
When people abuse it it is just shitty - no need to do massive doses.
As for the fake loved up thing - happens on alcohol as well so kinda used to it.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: EternalCowabunga] 1
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I had a good time the 2-3 times I took 1 pill with friends but people get goofy and super retardely to emotional on more then 80 or so MGs. I can imagine it working great or helping you really know if its over in a relationship with communication problems with a low does and a counselor.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#14280165 - 04/12/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're about to get a lot of haters in here but I agree with you completely, dude.
The last time I took MDMA with a good friend of mine we actually had a bit of a weird unspoken falling out because I got irritated with the way he was talking and how he would keep repeating inane cosmic nonsense over and over again. After we smoked some DMT it got much, much worse. And he kept smacking his lips like I can't even describe... I found it profoundly obnoxious, somehow.
I feel like kind of a dick for it. He asked to smoke more DMT and I refused on the premise that I was concerned for his safety. He kinda saw through it. Things got really awkward after that and I felt responsible and apologized for being "negative."
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#14280200 - 04/12/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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MDMA is a seriously overrated drug IMO. I'll agree it's a lot of fun, but it's fun the same way stimulant amphetamines are. When people actually call MDMA psychedelic I get like all . Pot is far more psychedelic and yet still not considered "psychedelic" by most people.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#14280208 - 04/12/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ecstasy is party fuel for the fam straight up. I don't have any problem with it.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: nice1]
#14280223 - 04/12/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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it definitely changed my life as well. it taught me where my center was, and I was able to incorporate that center into my sober life. Having done it a grand total of five times, I can't say I ever got into the scene, but I did go to a couple of 'e-parties' and i can def see what you are talking about.
but i feel my experience (and my reason for doing it) were definitely different than the people who frequented the parties i went to. as a result my behavior and outcome from use was fundamentally different from the people I met at those parties.
the people i met at those parties it seemed like they were using it much like people use alcohol to just bug out and dance/be sexual not to really take anything from the experience.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: muistrue]
#14280228 - 04/12/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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As long as you understand that's what it is, party fuel.
I can understand how it makes people feel like they're having lots of deep thoughts, having their minds expanded on it, but I simply think they're wrong, straight-up. It can help you get more comfortable with yourself and others, but so can booze. It's a great drug for a good time but it irks me when it gets called "psychedelic." I'd even go so far as to say DXM is more worthy of being called "psychedelic."
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14280254 - 04/12/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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MDA can be pretty psychedelic at certain doses and that's usually what I party with. I also rarely do it by itself it's a good primer for other psychedelic drugs.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: muistrue]
#14280281 - 04/12/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I also like to chase my 'shroom tea with a beer or two. 
I can't speak for MDA though, I'd like to try that one. I only have experience with MDMA which IME has far more in common with something like adderall or meth than with LSD or mushrooms.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14280337 - 04/12/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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MDA is awesome man, I like it way more than MDMA.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14280401 - 04/12/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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MDMA filters more social and psychological bullshit than it causes.
This is only a problem with individuals at a party if the meeting is under the pretense of egos, social games like partner hunting, false friendships or repressed animosity.
Weirdness only comes out because you either aren't being honest with yourself, or you aren't being honest with someone else. MDMA works in such a unique way though that if stigma still persists between people, they usually either agree to work it out, part ways quickly, or ignore it and seek stimulation elsewhere.
The false promises and spewing of intimate details is just a catalyzing of the flood gates. It doesn't put anything there that wasn't already there to begin with. Those little pressed pills don't contain your memories, ideas, dreams, fantasies, fears, etc. The question is whether or not you are comfortable being yourself - and around which type of people.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: The Whale]
#14280438 - 04/12/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just don't find anything truly worthwhile in it. I think it could be used to treat PTSD and I'm glad it's being researched for that purpose, but as a recreational drug it's pretty dirty. It's pure euphoria, there is literally nothing more to the experience than euphoria. People mistake it for more than that because of how intensely euphoric it really is, but my experiences (positive AND negative) have shown me it's basically just a lovey-dovey version of speed. (And yes, I'm talking about the pure stuff, not pressed pill cut with actual speed.) I find that boring at best, degrading at worst.
Call me a Puritan...
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14280478 - 04/12/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: MDMA is a seriously overrated drug IMO. I'll agree it's a lot of fun, but it's fun the same way stimulant amphetamines are. When people actually call MDMA psychedelic I get like all . Pot is far more psychedelic and yet still not considered "psychedelic" by most people.
Agreed.
Best mixed with real psychedelics. Alone it feels empty, missing something.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: propensity]
#14280492 - 04/12/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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MDA + 2C-B is all sorts of fun.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: muistrue]
#14280509 - 04/12/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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FractalDust said: MDA + 2C-B is all sorts of fun.
Now 2C-B is something I'd give my left nut to try.
Where do you find all this stuff man?
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14280521 - 04/12/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd also like to try 2c-b. Its a shame they scheduled it.
AMT is another one I really fucking want to try
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: propensity]
#14280529 - 04/12/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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propensity said: I'd also like to try 2c-b. Its a shame they scheduled it.
AMT is another one I really fucking want to try
Me too dude. AMT sounds amazing.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14280540 - 04/12/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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FractalDust said: MDA + 2C-B is all sorts of fun.
Now 2C-B is something I'd give my left nut to try.
Where do you find all this stuff man? 
It just tends to find me man it's a mystery.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: muistrue]
#14280551 - 04/12/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've been waiting for it to find me for years.
It actually finds friends of mine, but not enough finds them for me to get any. It's fucking
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14280568 - 04/12/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i use google when I need to find drugs.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14280574 - 04/12/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's around. I've seen it in two different pressie forms (scored blues and bumblebees), powder and just a couple months ago liquid. I think it's gaining popularity.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: muistrue]
#14280666 - 04/12/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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2C-B was fairly dark and depressing to me, though mileage and mind state may vary.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: The Whale]
#14280677 - 04/12/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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My friend had a horrible experience being trapped with 2 gay strippers on 2c-b.
I think they were heavily coming on to him the whole time
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: The Whale]
#14280690 - 04/12/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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In moderation (once every couple months) I feel that the mdma experience is mindblowing.
But the people I know who abuse the shit are very, very, very depressing. All they talk about is rolling and they seem like zombies without the drug. Then all they do is talk about how much they love everything once they are high again, so I can see why you think it is a very empty and fake drug.
However my two experiences were life changing for the better.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: The Whale]
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I've found following Shulgin's advice and taking it on the tail end of an MDMA/MDA high is best.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: propensity]
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I think they were heavily coming on to him the whole time
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#14280719 - 04/12/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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True change comes from within, not without. Forgive my heresy here, but, while they can be fun, drugs aren't the answers to life's problems.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Le_Canard]
#14280775 - 04/12/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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OP QTMFT
I hate ecstasy. Just used it twice a month for 6 months and man i regret it. Everything you said plus it just completely changed my definition of how to have a good time. Made me so i couldnt just "kick it" sober anymore and feel content with my night, got over that quick though. Havnt touched the stuff in over a year
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14280846 - 04/12/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: MDMA is a seriously overrated drug IMO. I'll agree it's a lot of fun, but it's fun the same way stimulant amphetamines are. When people actually call MDMA psychedelic I get like all . Pot is far more psychedelic and yet still not considered "psychedelic" by most people.
i agree with everything you said except i find pure molly and even adulterated pills to be very psychedelic. what else would you call the effect it has on how you hear, or should i say feel, music? not to mention the trippy things it does for watching/playing with glowsticks and fire poi
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: blazenn]
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Alcohol does those things too though. It even has a similar visual element. I get mad tracers when I'm wasted. 
I'm just saying MDMA is no more psychedelic than speed or booze. I would agree that these drugs can be mind-expanding in certain ways, but they are absolutely not properly psychedelic.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: blazenn]
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Well, while we are on the topic of E. My friends like to do at least a gram a night of molly, she hopes to do two soon. I think this is fucking retarded and I told here that lots of people only do like 100mg-200mg and are fine.
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The Vapor said: Well, while we are on the topic of E. My friends like to do at least a gram a night of molly, she hopes to do two soon. I think this is fucking retarded and I told here that lots of people only do like 100mg-200mg and are fine.
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"Fine" as in "not dead"?
I can't guarantee that she's going to be a miserable shut-in soon but she's probably going to be a miserable shut-in soon.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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MDMA has been an intensely personal, heart opening drug for me. It has helped me lay to rest many issues and removed blocks on my ability to empathize and communicate with people. I am grateful to it in the same way I am to LSD mescaline and mushrooms.
that being said it is not exactly psychedelic on it's own. More entactogen.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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hahahaa yea tchan's right on that one.
from what i remember the overdose range for MDMA on an average size human being is 1-1.5g or so, but even taking 900mg is pushing it.
basically if your friend consumes 2000mg of pure MDMA in one night, chances are she's gonna die. so yea not a good idea at all. you're friend should also consider laying off the drugs for awhile, but at this point i'm assuming that he/she doesn't really care about her mental well being anyway.
i had friends that regularly went through 10-12 pills every friday and especially every saturday for several months straight. i stopped hanging out with them after the first few weeks we were into molly, i can't stand seeing my friends all geeked out like that all the time.... specially on the pills. it just feels dirty. once they started taking 3-4+ pills a night i couldn't handle being around em anymore. i mean it was always a pleasure talking to em but fuck i can't stand the way it makes you look like and act like a fucking tweaker, it's too much for me. well, too much for me to be apart of it every weekend. i still come out and party every once in awhile.
oh and these days my friends are all still sane and fully functional, albeit a little slower and spacey at times.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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The only time I roll anymore is at raves/after parties. I just can't do it anywhere else anymore. I abused the shit very very badly a couple years ago while being caught up in the whole thing I noticed after the roll is over, everybody just goes on with their lives. All the promises that were made, the future plans, the love, it's just not there anymore. It's something I used to think a lot about. I really meant the things I said and cherish things that happened. Things I know I'll never forget. Most my friends don't even remember half the shit. Go figure.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: blazenn]
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Ecstasy is definitely a mixed bag but overall I like it, even though some weird ass emotions are just gonna come with the territory it honestly helped me deal with weird insecurities that had never come up before. But molly>>>>>rolls, last time I took rolls I was depressed for a while afterwords, it hit me pretty hard.
If you're on ecstasy and something bad or embarrassing happens, the potential for a realllly bad hangover definitely exists. But it can be awesome also.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: g00ru]
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A few years ago I had a serious panic attack the day after a couple very strong rolls... I've made a point of only taking straight molly since then.
The thing with molly that I just can't take is the euphoria, though. It's too much. I just know it's bad for me to feel that good, and I think about it even as I'm peaking. It's like you're on fire with pure awesomeness and you dread not feeling so awesome anymore, but you know it's right around the corner. Molly makes you feel that way even though there's no major hangover. I've never felt fulfilled after coming down from molly, just disappointed that I don't feel that way anymore.
Fuck that shit.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: g00ru]
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If you're on ecstasy and something bad or embarrassing happens, the potential for a realllly bad hangover definitely exists. But it can be awesome also.
MDMA is MDMA. The only reason a pressed pill would be any different whatsoever is if you get higher quality molly then you do pills. Sides, being depressed is very normal after rolling. So many other outside things could of effected that roll anyway, even diet would effect it to a slight amount.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Felinor]
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guruu said: Ecstasy is definitely a mixed bag but overall I like it, even though some weird ass emotions are just gonna come with the territory it honestly helped me deal with weird insecurities that had never come up before. But molly>>>>>rolls, last time I took rolls I was depressed for a while afterwords, it hit me pretty hard.
If you're on ecstasy and something bad or embarrassing happens, the potential for a realllly bad hangover definitely exists. But it can be awesome also.
MDMA is MDMA. The only reason a pressed pill would be any different whatsoever is if you get higher quality molly then you do pills. Sides, being depressed is very normal after rolling. So many other outside things could of effected that roll anyway, even diet would effect it to a slight amount.
Virtually all rolls sold at raves are cut with meth or worse, some less-studied stimulant with potentially worse side-effects. Very few people can tell the difference.
Kinda proves my point.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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yeah the rolls i took were cut with speed lol. sux hard.
ya tchan i know what you mean about knowing the happiness is fake even when you're peaking, but honestly i prefer it that way, makes your experience a little more honest.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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I am not sure if my friend really knows how bad this is for her honestly. Should probably make it a point of telling her, but in a not preachy way. I think it is also the fact that grams of molly are only like 25 bucks as well.
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The Vapor said: I am not sure if my friend really knows how bad this is for her honestly. Should probably make it a point of telling her, but in a not preachy way. I think it is also the fact that grams of molly are only like 25 bucks as well.
Yeah, that's serious intervention status. I'd try to find help for her.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: g00ru]
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The thing with molly that I just can't take is the euphoria, though. It's too much. I just know it's bad for me to feel that good, and I think about it even as I'm peaking. It's like you're on fire with pure awesomeness and you dread not feeling so awesome anymore, but you know it's right around the corner. Molly makes you feel that way even though there's no major hangover. I've never felt fulfilled after coming down from molly, just disappointed that I don't feel that way anymore.
Fuck that shit.
I feel like if you are within the safe dose range and have the water and vitamins in your system to help properly deal with the oxidative stress and serotonin drop in the next few days is is totally fine to feel that much euphoria. 100-150mgs is all you should ever need, eat vitamin C, 5-htp, CoQ10, eat fresh fruit and drink wa-wa and keep it to 1-2 times a month and all is well.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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some people say that ecstacy changed their life permanently for the better. I am not sure about this.
i have had one such experience with X... not nearly as profound as LSD/shrooms, but still quite motivating/beneficial.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: collinZzZz]
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I keep it to 4-6 times a year. 
I really don't know how to describe the feeling, I just find the euphoria to be extremely unnatural. It's about as unsettling to me as it is awesome at the same time.
For all this shit-talking, I must admit that I do enjoy it...
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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My statement was based on you having mdma, which is what real ecstasy is. If you would of stated ""I like molly more then I like pills cut with speed"" it would of been different.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Felinor]
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Like others have said, my big issue is how unnatural it is. Ive never taken it but I know plenty of people who use it on a pretty constant basis. They always talk about how good it makes you feel and how there isnt anything like it when you are sober.
The last thing I want is to know that I feel best only when taking something.
Yeah, ganja and other naturals are great but I feel they don't "take you to a unnaturally high level" like E does.
But then again, thats just me.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: tohstygohsty]
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i would probably never turn down the opportunity to take ecstasy with a hot girl tho, whatever the drawbacks
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: tohstygohsty]
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Ive only done MDA and I didn't have any euphoria or deep emotions or anything like that. It was pretty awesome though, kinda speedy and a huuuuge creativity booster.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: g00ru]
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Whoa. I've always wanted to try MDMA but this is making me reconsider. I think I will still try it though.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: propensity]
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: bryguy27007]
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bryguy27007 said: Whoa. I've always wanted to try MDMA but this is making me reconsider. I think I will still try it though.
its definitely worth doing at least once, especially if you can get pure molly.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: g00ru]
#14281424 - 04/12/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I really do want to try it. I've been asking around. One person said they'd be able to get some molly for me. They said their friend could get some good stuff. They have both "meth" based and "heroin" based. I told him to get me some of that heroin based. My hypothesis is that is the stuff that isn't cut with speed. Seems like most people would agree with me.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: bryguy27007]
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Get the stuff that has neither meth or heroin...
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Belac]
#14281486 - 04/12/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah get a test kit as people sell all kinds of shit as all kinds of shit. a little test kit will last a while and is so worth it.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Belac]
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I seriously doubt the "heroin" based stuff actually has heroin in it. It sounds like the one of the two that's not cut with speed. That's what I'm looking for.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: bryguy27007]
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Yeah I was thinking of buying a test kit. Dance Safe has them for 25 dollars.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: bryguy27007]
#14281506 - 04/12/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why would they advertise it being heroin based? People usually try to stay away from cuts in general. Although a speedball sounds like it might be fun...
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Belac]
#14281508 - 04/12/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Heroin in E pills is extremely, extremely rare. Same with coke. The most likely thing you'll be getting is piperazine, which is why you buy molly.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Felinor]
#14281509 - 04/12/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ecstasy NEVER has heroin in it. Heroin costs more then ecstasy so they'd never ever put it in it. Over the so many years ecstasydata has been testing pills, they've never found 1 pill with heroin in it. Found fentanyl ONE time overseas...
Ask them for the mdma based molly, lmao.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Belac]
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Belac said: Why would they advertise it being heroin based? People usually try to stay away from cuts in general. Although a speedball sounds like it might be fun...
I was under the impression that it was a relatively common (but almost certainly false) marketing pitch. Not with people who know their stuff obviously, but from an average Joe/Jane dealer.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Felinor]
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Felinor said: Ecstasy NEVER has heroin in it. Heroin costs more then ecstasy so they'd never ever put it in it. Over the so many years ecstasydata has been testing pills, they've never found 1 pill with heroin in it. Found fentanyl ONE time overseas...
Ask them for the mdma based molly, lmao. 
You're wrong. I've seen pills once that tested positive for heroin. So it does happen, but that's a 1 in a billion chance.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: LoveYourLife]
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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EternalCowabunga said: the fakeness... the embarrasing confessions.. people who take too much and their face does weird shit
the fakeness?
it's just a drug man, one of my favorites really
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: bryguy27007]
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I know that pills don't actually have heroin in them, settle down. Some people think that the lovvy-dovvy not speedy feelings you get from MDMA means it is cut with heroin. It's obviously not true, so I feel like it's a safer bet for relatively pure stuff.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Prisoner#1]
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it's just a drug man, one of my favorites really
Exactly. What drug isn't fake? They're all just fucking with your brain chemistry one way or the other. No need to get a superior attitude because you like super cool hallucinogens.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: LoveYourLife]
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Ask them for the mdma based molly, lmao. 
You're wrong. I've seen pills once that tested positive for heroin. So it does happen, but that's a 1 in a billion chance.
Was it gc/ms tested? How did you come to this conclusion?
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: bryguy27007]
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bryguy27007 said: I know that pills don't actually have heroin in them, settle down. Some people think that the lovvy-dovvy not speedy feelings you get from MDMA means it is cut with heroin. It's obviously not true, so I feel like it's a safer bet for relatively pure stuff.
Sometimes, lol. Still a gamble though. I've seen many of my relatively experienced friends eat piperazines and think it was mdma, and had no comedown.
If I were you, I would never buy from anyone who markets it like that. They definitely don't know what they're talking about is all I'm sayin.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: LoveYourLife]
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it's just a drug man, one of my favorites really
Exactly. What drug isn't fake? They're all just fucking with your brain chemistry one way or the other. No need to get a superior attitude because you like super cool hallucinogens.
often times the drugs, especially ecstasy bring out the real you. it's one of the reasons doctards in the psychiatric professions have been trying to get it rescheduled to something they can prescribe to patients
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Felinor]
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Ask them for the mdma based molly, lmao. 
You're wrong. I've seen pills once that tested positive for heroin. So it does happen, but that's a 1 in a billion chance.
Was it gc/ms tested? How did you come to this conclusion?
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: LoveYourLife]
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It doesn't surprise me that there would be pills cut with heroin. I'm sure ecstasy has been cut with every drug known to man, not to mention a few that aren't and even a few that wouldn't survive being pressed into a pill.
I'd like to clarify that when I say that MDMA is "unnatural" I'm referring specifically to the way it makes me feel. There are other synthetic drugs I will whole-heartedly endorse. I just mean that the euphoria is seriously over-the-top. You know, with the jiggling eyeballs and shit? I can practically feel my neurons fusing. I'm not prepared to defend that sensation empirically, but it certainly doesn't feel healthy.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Felinor]
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Sometimes, lol. Still a gamble though. I've seen many of my relatively experienced friends eat piperazines and think it was mdma, and had no comedown.
If I were you, I would never buy from anyone who markets it like that. They definitely don't know what they're talking about is all I'm sayin.
I'd reinforce my suspicions with a test kit.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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I know of one time heroin was in some rolls that where capsules that some retard put it into along with ritilin and other crushed meds. A few people took them back in 99 I think and they did test posive for H at the hospital but with the other meds crushed in there it could have been a med that tests positive like morphine maybe. They all felt like they where gunna die throwing up and just having a terrible reation.
I know a decent amount of "smacky" pills around 96-99 where MDEA as that was an RC back in Holland around then. They rolls that where that where less energetic but still rolly and known as "smacky"
I would not every buy anything from someone who says he has speed based or heroin based molly. Not ever. He sounds like he has 2 different blends of strange RC's he bought online or something.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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I haven't rolled in well over a year now.
In my experience, ecstacy isn't really much of a mental drug, which kind of turns me away.
First time I took it I was pretty damn disappointed. I was expecting something that really blew my mind.
That's not to say it's not mental at all, but the way it effects your mind isn't that interesting to me. Things feel soft around the edges and my mind feels kind of jumbled honestly. I just don't get all the mental baggage that's attached to this drug.
I do agree with saying it feels very unnatural, it completely does. I know a lot of people say it helps them with emotions and feeling, but it usually just makes me pretty damn unsure of my emotions.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: wildchild68]
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It just makes everything, from concrete surfaces to introspective emotional experiences, feel really velvety-smooth. Like, orgasmically so.
This thread is making me want to take some MDMA.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: argg]
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argg said: I know of one time heroin was in some rolls that where capsules that some retard put it into along with ritilin and other crushed meds. A few people took them back in 99 I think and they did test posive for H at the hospital but with the other meds crushed in there it could have been a med that tests positive like morphine maybe. They all felt like they where gunna die throwing up and just having a terrible reation.
I know a decent amount of "smacky" pills around 96-99 where MDEA as that was an RC back in Holland around then. They rolls that where that where less energetic but still rolly and known as "smacky"
I would not every buy anything from someone who says he has speed based or heroin based molly. Not ever. He sounds like he has 2 different blends of strange RC's he bought online or something.
Um dude. That wouldn't be ecstasy. That would be some some random drug concoction in a capsule.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Felinor]
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These days I take "ecstasy" to refer to pressed pills and "molly" to refer to MDMA.
I didn't come up with it, that's just the lingo I'm familiar with.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Belac]
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come on man to perpetuate the myth's. Why the fuck would someone put heroin in a pill? that shits expensive as fuck, an RC bought in bulk would be much more reasonable
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: realfuzzhead]
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come on man to perpetuate the myth's. Why the fuck would someone put heroin in a pill? that shits expensive as fuck, an RC bought in bulk would be much more reasonable
I regret to inform you that a significant proportion of clandestine chemists are actually less knowledgeable than you are.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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im not sure what that meant but i used to spend a shit ton of time on pill reports and there wasnt one confirmed case of opiate based ecstasy. Just noobs who got MDA or something and were a little down and assume H
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: The Whale]
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The Whale said: MDMA filters more social and psychological bullshit than it causes.
This is only a problem with individuals at a party if the meeting is under the pretense of egos, social games like partner hunting, false friendships or repressed animosity.
Weirdness only comes out because you either aren't being honest with yourself, or you aren't being honest with someone else. MDMA works in such a unique way though that if stigma still persists between people, they usually either agree to work it out, part ways quickly, or ignore it and seek stimulation elsewhere.
The false promises and spewing of intimate details is just a catalyzing of the flood gates. It doesn't put anything there that wasn't already there to begin with. Those little pressed pills don't contain your memories, ideas, dreams, fantasies, fears, etc. The question is whether or not you are comfortable being yourself - and around which type of people.
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disagreed. it's not just a lovey dovey version of anything... it's not LIKE anything. the euphoria CAN be really shallow... trust me, i've noted and told my friends about all the same shit.
it's up to you how you use it, though.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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come on man to perpetuate the myth's. Why the fuck would someone put heroin in a pill? that shits expensive as fuck, an RC bought in bulk would be much more reasonable
I regret to inform you that a significant proportion of clandestine chemists are actually less knowledgeable than you are.
1. Clandestine chemist presses the substance hes making for way way cheap. 2. He buys heroin at a huge price and presses it to look like ecstasy just to fool people and offset his more profitable production of mdma.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: akira_akuma]
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I'm fully open to the idea that the euphoria of MDMA can be a very special, beautiful thing.
I've had a couple of MDMA experiences that I considered, for a long time, to be genuinely meaningful. Now, I'm honestly not so sure. I see them as potentially representing more of a lapse of inhibition (for better or for worse) rather than being truly mind-expanding experiences.
And I have also had many experiences with the raw, dehumanized nature of MDMA's euphoria that have convinced me it's capable of misleading and destroying people.
In my experience it's been pretty much like speed. The difference is in how the euphoria manifests; in speed's case it's a kind of anti-social, hedonistic kind of euphoria, whereas in ecstasy it's more of an egoic, tactile kind of euphoria. Taking that into account, speed and MDMA follow otherwise identical patterns.
I should clarify that I take ritalin to help me with school, so I'm really not trying to hand down judgments.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Felinor]
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come on man to perpetuate the myth's. Why the fuck would someone put heroin in a pill? that shits expensive as fuck, an RC bought in bulk would be much more reasonable
I regret to inform you that a significant proportion of clandestine chemists are actually less knowledgeable than you are.
1. Clandestine chemist presses the substance hes making for way way cheap. 2. He buys heroin at a huge price and presses it to look like ecstasy just to fool people and offset his more profitable production of mdma.

So the clandestine chemist figures he can press some heroin into some pills, get some fools addicted, and become the biggest pill peddler in town.
Of course it'll never work. You and I know that because we've dabbled and have at least half a brain. But it's a serious mistake to assume everybody out there has the same mental capacity you do.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said: I'm fully open to the idea that the euphoria of MDMA can be a very special, beautiful thing.
I've had a couple of MDMA experiences that I considered, for a long time, to be genuinely meaningful. Now, I'm honestly not so sure. I see them as potentially representing more of a lapse of inhibition (for better or for worse) than being truly mind-expanding experiences.
And I have also had many experiences with the raw, dehumanized nature of MDMA's euphoria that have convinced me it's capable of misleading and destroying people.
In my experience it's been pretty much like speed. The difference is in how the euphoria manifests; in speed's case it's a kind of anti-social, hedonistic kind of euphoria, whereas in ecstasy it's more of a personal, egoic kind of euphoria.
I should clarify that I take ritalin to help me with school, so I'm really not trying to hand down judgments. 
well... i agree for the most part, entirely... i've seen some dehumanizing aspects too, and you know what i've said to those people who i have seen lapse into "judgment" on MDMA, i've told is merely a fear based response and to do something to find your headspace and to do something in ones OWN headspace to at least limit the exposure to ones "inhibited" mind.
but one thing i will disagree with is the legitimacy of it. i believe you can take it either way you want... if you want to say it was a lapse of judgment... then you go right on ahead. REAL things have been established with my understanding of those experiences; even if it seems fake... haha, that is only your focal point and understanding... doesn't mean, that is "JUST WHAT ECSTACY DOES". 
but like i said, hey, i agree for the most part. i've seen all the same shit man... people losing identifying marks that they frequent... thusly getting stupider... or lets say... being inhibited enough to to say something flatulent, like i love you, without it having any significant meaning other then "whoa, i am high".
but then i have also seen the opposites where people have learned things about themselves and thought it meant something to them to keep it... and also having people REALLY open up and talk about their feelings and in an open manner; not provoking the fear response... which in opinion, is the thing that cause most troubles to begin with... let alone with dealing with an MDMA "trip".
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: akira_akuma]
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I put in the "(for better or for worse)" for a reason. I would say I've made positive personal developments because of ecstasy. I would still say that, even as I am reconsidering the personal and social value of ecstasy.
I just don't think that positive personal development by means of ecstasy is a reliable thing. In most people it seems as likely to just cause addiction and depression as it is to cause any kind of personal growth.
For that reason I just don't feel comfortable straightforwardly advocating that people take ecstasy. I will tell anybody to take LSD, or mushrooms, or DMT, or 2C-E, unless I have good reason to believe that they are mentally unstable. With those drugs, even misleading or "bad" experiences tend to carry beneficial personal lessons. There's much more "gray" area with ecstasy, simply because it causes such an overriding euphoria.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said: I just don't think that positive personal development by means of ecstasy is a reliable thing. In most people it seems as likely to just cause addiction and depression as it is to cause any kind of personal growth.
For that reason I just don't feel comfortable straightforwardly advocating that people take ecstasy. I will tell anybody to take LSD, or mushrooms, or DMT, or 2C-E, unless I have good reason to believe that they are mentally unstable. With those drugs, even misleading or "bad" experiences tend to carry beneficial personal lessons. There's much more "gray" area with ecstasy, simply because it causes such an overriding euphoria.
i hear what you are saying now... and again, i agree 100%.
i never try to influence anybody, into taking a drug, EVEN IF I THINK it's a good idea, for that person; i won't tell them what they can do with a drug before i tell them what i am thinking in the first place, and if said person attests to the personality of the drug, then i might mention it... but only in the case of my favorite dr00gs... the psychedelic ones... but even then... you can't just go around influencing everyone, anyway... whether your intentions are good or not, because influence sways, and everyone sees THAT in a different way.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: akira_akuma]
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I just figure that my words always influence people, even if it's unintentional... and so I'm seriously guarded in my praise of MDMA.
I'm also somewhat optimistic about psychedelics at the moment. A friend of mine was seriously struggling with addiction to heroin and meth. I got her on some 2C-E and mushrooms a few times, and since then she has changed massively for the better - taking really good care of herself, finding tons of cool new hobbies. She's actually told me she owes much of this to the psychedelic experiences I shared with her. I really think that psychedelics, for all that they can potentially cause misdirection and confusion, are more likely to clear the way for spiritual growth.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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sometimes... psychedelics, in my opinion, can be harder to determine the use for... for some, it's almost a detriment to do psychedelics, in less there is somekind of guide or something.
opening up, is a huge part of the psychedelic expierence.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Yeah but...dont shrooms make you gay?
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: sometimes... psychedelics, in my opinion, can be harder to determine the use for... for some, it's almost a detriment to do psychedelics, in less there is somekind of guide or something.
opening up, is a huge part of the psychedelic expierence.
There was this moment, when we were on 2C-E, where she cried her eyes out, for some reason I wasn't even clear on. One of her friends had told her that her ex, who she had been completely strung-out on heroin with, hated her. Being told this caused her to cry uncontrollably. I have no idea why.
I'm sure it owes something to the emotional lability inherent to the psychedelic experience, but it was a really surreal moment. She looked me in the eyes as tears drenched her face, explaining to me that she was crying for this reason totally incomprehensible to me. And even as I was completely baffled by the reasoning for her sorrow, I felt at that very moment that I was soaking it up, like a rag.
Since then, I haven't talked to her about that moment specifically, but I think it was important. I do think that I took on her sorrow, and being in a better position to cope with it gave her the freedom to pursue her own happiness.
I take psychedelics with all my friends... I feel like I know the territory fairly well, and I love sharing it with people and opening myself up to them. It makes them naturally want to open up with me as well.
With ecstasy, I feel like it blows up the ego even as it lubricates inter-ego relations...
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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well, the mind is still completely associative when on MDMA... so unless you can naturally quell the dopamine response, in your personality, then you will end up with the effect of having a softer edge, but not lacking, of an egoistic mindset.
i find on mushrooms, or something more psychedelic then MDMA, to have the exact same effect... only it's even LESS noticeable, considering your fundamental understanding of your personality changes whilst on those substances... so what you're left with, is sorting it all out, afterwards... whether or not you feel or felt "good" or bad" about what you experienced.
in my HONEST opinion, i think it's up to the person taking the drug... in all honesty. i am not a ball to the wall advocate to MDMA or anything... i am just saying, i've seen the same responses, no matter where you go to.
acid, is a huge ego inflator, in my opinion, but yet no one will agree with that sentiment, usually... but i am certain of it, too...
i ain't gonna say that you CAN'T use it WITHOUT that sorta response tinkering with your experience of memory, though... cause i have... hell, i have acid trips where i've had responses that have caused me to dwell in the deepest corners of my own self-made hell...
why did i endure this, you might ask? wrong place and wrong time to the Acid, and with the wrong person... a person whom always has his ego inflated with ACID, and more-so then with ANY other substance... hell, i seen it beforehand and thought, oh well, he'll see it later... but it took a long ass time, and throughout that time i was telling him about it... tripping with him still and trying to just have my own fun trips whilst he kept on shitting on me and others... to provide for his own mind... and one time i tripped sorta like... in a corner... and what happens? this guy goes to sleep... yeah, that's right... he said that my mishap, bored him enough to make him go to sleep and not enjoy his trip as much; and in my own place too..
needless to say, i haven't tripped with him in awhile, but that's not to say that i've given up on him... we all live and learn... but my point is... you can't always get what you want with a psychedelic experience (obviously) so you can't always see the work you are doing convince yourself in that state.
which is why it is best to let go and inhabit the headspace in which best suits you, and not your ideal concept of whatever "trip" you are looking for.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: akira_akuma]
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Yeah, I've found that the psychedelic experience always "works" best when you go into it without actually planning or intending for any outcome in particular.
It's the powerful action of MDMA on the reward centers that makes people "want" it even when they don't have a good reason to.
Hmmmmm... 
LSD actually does have dopamine action that most psychedelics lack. Also, I have found that my ego usually remains strong throughout the acid trip unless I take specific steps (such as meditation) to silence it.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14282112 - 04/13/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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indeed. more people then ever are being exposed to these.... erm... substances. 
what to do, oh what to do....
(meditating and mediating our conscious and unconscious minds would be a good start)
then step two: enjoy the hearts and minds of ourselves, with or without "seeking behaviour" and with or without illusions.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: akira_akuma]
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it's just a party chem 
the crowd usually makes the experience, i will say
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: AntiEverything]
#14282350 - 04/13/11 05:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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E's and booze don't mix with my friend at all. We'd all be having a laugh,chilling out or whatever,in a good mood but he'd just be getting angry. Throwing chairs around for no reason inside his own home and trying to break bottles off the wall.
He's since decided that it's not a good mix for him. Oddest thing though.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: LobsterSauce]
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Doesn't get you out of a bad mood. At least it doesn't for me. If I am terribly depressed and alone doing M won't make me happy. It just makes me high and depressed.
MDMA is AWESOME especially with someone you care alot about.
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Re: the thought of people taking ecstacy now makes me feel sick [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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I'd like to try it to see if it would make me less self conscious as I've heard it can do. My current girlfriend did it quite a bit back in the day and I said I'd try it for her. Long as she knows the overall aim is DMT/Mesc for the summer
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