Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offlineafrosheen
9Lives the cat
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 1,878
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: questions for first grow [Re: somedaysoon]
    #14279649 - 04/12/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Contams won't happen if the spawn and your syringe are clean and you follow sterile procedures. Also the cake must be healthy when it's birthed then given plenty of fresh air. When you say terrarium that scares me because lots of noobs think a 30gal fish tank is a fruiting chamber. It's not because it doesn't breathe. Contams can then sit on your cakes and eat them for dinner.

However, fully consolidated cakes that have been given an extra week in the jar after 100% colonization is reached are extremely resistant to contamination. It's unusual to have them give up before first flush which tells you something is off before they got to that point.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesomedaysoon
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 02/07/11
Posts: 11
Last seen: 12 years, 9 months
Re: questions for first grow [Re: afrosheen]
    #14284771 - 04/13/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the terrarium is a sterilite container with an fish tank air pump and HEPA in-line filter for FAE, the pump has a timer, was originally set for 30 minutes on every 12 hours, recently reset to be on for 2 hours every 12 hours, should it be longer?

jars were not 100% consolidated, did not check bottom of jar (opposite end of lid) so a couple went into the terrarium early, but I was getting mold on mycelium, not on exposed parts of subtrate

should there be mycelium on the part next touching the lid?

is 76 degrees and 90% humidity a good mix?  Too much humidity?

Going to clean and reset terrarium on Friday, other jars looking more consolidated

I even have a 3 inch long mushroom already growing on one, not sure how that is going to work, may have left it in the jar too long…

Thanks for the help

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineafrosheen
9Lives the cat
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 1,878
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: questions for first grow [Re: somedaysoon]
    #14287429 - 04/13/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like you failed when you birthed too early. If mold grew on the mycelium, that tells me the cake wasn't strong enough yet (still in colonization mode) which is when it's fairly weak. Exposing it to contaminants before it has a lock on the substrate will usually kill the whole cake. Trichoderma produces toxins that poisons the cubensis mycelium, which is its way of winning the competition.

If you have jar pins on cakes you haven't birthed yet, go ahead and dunk and roll them. Jar pins means the cake has shifted gears from colonizing/consolidating to fruiting mode.

I don't recommend terrariums, aquariums, or anything else that's a sealed container with air pumped in. Nothing beats a $5 shotgun fruiting chamber. It's simple, it's cheap, and it works.

Now, to answer your questions in order:

1. Mycelium close to the lid is fairly normal. Sometimes it'll go airborne and grow vertically through the verm. If the verm is dry it won't eat the verm though.

2. 76 degrees and 90% humidity is nearly perfect. You can shoot for 99% humidity but in an aquarium/terrarium setup, I'm not sure it's a reasonable expectation. Your temperature is dead on though. I always say, if it's comfortable for you in the room, the cakes will be happy in the same room. Which is also why I'm not a fan of incubation...you wouldn't be comfortable trapped in a box that's 80 degrees while your body is burning calories, giving off heat and increasing the temperature in that box.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesomedaysoon
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 02/07/11
Posts: 11
Last seen: 12 years, 9 months
Re: questions for first grow [Re: afrosheen] * 1
    #14372341 - 04/29/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Afrosheen, you're awesome!  Following your advice has made a DRAMATIC difference.  Cleaned FC and perlite, re-moisturized it, and removed cakes from the jars.  I was frustrated from the first attempt, and not sure about the second so I didn't dunk, and didn't know how to sterilized used cake material so I just put the cakes on foil and waited.  You were 100% right about the immaturity of the mycelium on the first batch, so far I've had no problems with mold, got first fruits last week, got some more today, and the cakes are doing great, can't wait to harvest more. 

Next question for you may be concerning the 2nd flush, first I'll do some more research around this website, the question will concern understanding how to know when the 1st flush is finished.  Current plan is to dunk for about 12 hours whenever I know it's done, refrigerate for another 12-24 while cleaning/refreshing perlite, repeat current set-up, which is in a walk-in closet. 

Misting every 1-2 days with a 1:10 solution of 3% Hyd per:water; the FAE seems to be working well, the timer is set for 2 hours on, 10 off, and every day I mist it also gets FA.  Lighting is a blue LED on the side and 1 fluorescent light overhead, FC gets 8-12 hours light per day. Temp around 76 and lots of condensation so I'm not going to change anything for the next flushes.

Thanks again  :thumbup:



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineafrosheen
9Lives the cat
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 1,878
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: questions for first grow [Re: somedaysoon]
    #14372812 - 04/29/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Glad you've had some good results, welcome to the club. :smile: However, I still think an automated setup is kinda goofy. You'd be better off with a standard shotgun FC. All you need to do is drill 1/4" holes every 2 inches on all 6 sides. The magic of pressure differentials does the rest, and if you have about 5" of perlite, it'll stay hydrated for close to a month.

Oops, just read you're doing this in a closet, so maybe a shotgun isn't a good idea for your setup. Carry on.

To answer your other questions...

When does the 2nd flush start? Whenever the first flush is clearly done. There may/will be pins coming up for the 2nd flush which will survive the dunk. Some cakes just kinda keep on producing and it's hard to delineate, but you'll know over time.

For your dunk, go for the standard 24 hours. Make sure the cakes are submerged; since they're hydrophobic you have to sink them to the bottom of the container with weight so the water pressure forces rehydration. You don't need to refrigerate. Cold shocking is old fashioned and unnecessary for cubes. Matter of fact it can cause the myc to go into stasis for a few days and postpone your 2nd flush.

Good that you are misting, but save the h2o2 for cuts and scratches. You don't need it for cakes. It's only use, diluted, is to kill cobweb contaminations on the surface.

As far as your lighting goes, a single 6800k CFL bulb will do it. LED lights work too as long as the spectrum is close. Daylight spectrum or daylight bulbs is what you want, I've seen them at CVS and other stores for about $5. 12 on, 12 off.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDoc_T
Random Dude
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 42,395
Loc: Colorado Flag
Re: questions for first grow [Re: somedaysoon]
    #14372831 - 04/29/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Woot! :congrats:


--------------------
You make it all possible. Doesn't it feel good?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesomedaysoon
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 02/07/11
Posts: 11
Last seen: 12 years, 9 months
Re: questions for first grow [Re: Doc_T]
    #14479527 - 05/19/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Great advise as always, here's the latest developments, which will lead to a few more newbie questions when you get a chance, please

Dunked for 24 hours, new fruits were larger than first batch for a while, then they got long and skinny, not sure if it FAE or lighting issue.  Misting 1-2 times daily, not directly on cakes, mister bottle creates big droplets so I'm afraid to bruise myc.  The biggest fruit also grew real fast, too fast because overnight it spewed its spores all over cake, foil, perlite, etc.  Wasn't sure what to do, left cake in there until it developed bluish-green mold on pins, then pulled the cake and the one next to it as well.  Made halfhearted attempt to wipe remaining spores off foil, removed a couple of tablespoons of perlite that had spores.  At this point there are 5 cakes left, and I'm paranoid I didn't remove in time so other cakes are contaminated.  Fruiting goes on for a few more days, then 2 cakes started to get a similar color, and the myc seemed to shrink, so I threw them out today (see pic).  I did a decent job not handling the cakes during harvesting, occasionally one would fall so I'd reset it, with a latex-gloved hand, really tried to not touch as much as possible.  Now I'm reading that it may just be bruised myc and I wasted good cakes.  Cakes that I've been throwing out may be dry, not bone dry, no visible cracks, but I'm not sure how moist they're supposed to be. Last 2 cakes have good pins, but myc is starting to show that same color, so here I am with the ?s  Hope the picture is clear enough, it's off my phone



1.  How fast will bruised spread through myc? 

2.  Misting - directly on cakes or not?

3.  How to know what a dry cake feels like, i.e., how close to bone dry can they get?

4.  Any Suggestions on how to keep cakes weighted down during dunking?

thanks again

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineafrosheen
9Lives the cat
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 1,878
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: questions for first grow [Re: somedaysoon]
    #14480234 - 05/19/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Don't worry about bruising, it's supposed to happen at some point. It usually just shows you the mycelium is dry and/or it has been physically smashed, with little water droplets or your hands. Again, nothing to be concerned with.

You can mist up in the air or directly on the cake. I don't think it matters much honestly but you don't want a bunch of water sitting in pools on the caps day and night. That's why you fan afterwards.

A dry cake...well, it's lighter than a freshly dunked one. It will probably feel like a cork. They can get pretty dry but you should dunk after each flush looks like it's over anyway.

I used the old gypsy trick of putting the cakes back in the half pint jars they were birthed in, filling it up with water then capping it with a solid lid. You can do that or throw them in your pressure cooker and put them all under a dinner plate weighted down with whatever. Be creative, you just need them to be underwater for 12-24 hours.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2  [ show all ]

Shop: Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Re: Question: Growing P. Cubensis Outside Anonymous 861 1 12/16/99 02:35 PM
by JoHnNySc
* Newbie Questions I couldn't find answers in FAQ. wildcardflush 1,057 3 07/19/02 04:16 AM
by kykeon
* Sterilization Question Infadel 2,024 9 10/15/01 12:28 PM
by blackout
* question podman19 970 8 04/23/02 09:02 PM
by Roadkill
* sterlizing needles tomatofarmer 1,103 1 01/11/02 11:23 AM
by Mordor
* newbie questions pt.2 Anonymous 1,203 8 06/16/02 03:06 PM
by Baby_Hitler
* Growing in Japan - beginner - help! deadsocket 2,414 8 04/24/02 05:33 AM
by Springbok
* Air Circulation Question skab 859 3 07/18/01 11:05 PM
by Doc

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
2,081 topic views. 31 members, 180 guests and 38 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.02 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 13 queries.