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dustinthewind13 said: I have respect for certain people who insist that god is real and put their faith in him. I also have no respect for certain people who insist that god isn't real and put their faith in something else or nothing at all. They represent the minority of people I know though. In general I have more respect for people who believe that god isn't real than people who believe he is. I guess it's the individual that makes me respect/not respect him and not his belief .
"Religion is like a penis.
It's fine to have one.
It's fine to be proud of it.
But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around,
And PLEASE don't try to shove it down my children's throats."
THIS!
"religious teachings can benefit mankind, its just that mankind has twisted the thing and now it "
& THIS FTW!!!!
This is perfect. Wouldn't change a thing. Just wanted to QFT
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Greenvalley said: I loose respect for them if they belive God is a european man with a long white beard sitting in the clouds on a golden throne with angels pointlessly singing songs to him all day.
Interesting.
I loose respect for people if they reflexively disfavor ideas for being consistent with those of a familiar cultural group, as if their disfavor is any less arbitrary than the stereotypical mindlessness they presume to underlie the beliefs of those whom they disrespect. The hubris implied by such a view seems worse than even that of the stereotypical case they judge others by: at least the proponent of the familiar culture's idea need not view their understanding as superior to that of others on grounds which they themselves are as vulnerable to as their opposition.
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Re: Religous Respect? [Re: johnm214]
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i respect a person that dont argue ..... yeah yeah, your god is better, ok you win STFu ..
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Re: Religous Respect? [Re: orison]
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I don't give a fuck what people believe as long as they leave me alone/out of it whenever I say to.
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Re: Religous Respect? [Re: orison]
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The problem is with symbols. They get deeply embedded into someone's psyche that they believe, along with a story, that a certain religion is true. So a cross + a bible = large group of people who believed a guy that died on a cross is now god.
I personally don't think a god, if one exists, could be adequately described by man.
So I see no sense in arguing.
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Greenvalley said: I loose respect for them if they belive God is a european man with a long white beard sitting in the clouds on a golden throne with angels pointlessly singing songs to him all day.
I lose respect for people that believe he is sentient as there is as much proof for that as there is for your proposed scenario. I lose respect for people that try to define god at all, again for the above reason. Go ahead and theorize but to make definitive statements about such is to basically lie
I try not to judge, but it really is hard for me to trust someones intellectual abilities and willingness to break from the norm (depending on their specific beliefs) when they put their entire life effort into their religious convictions. But that's only initially when I don't have to much to go off of
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i don't necessarily have less respect for 'em. some people need the guidance, but i think that they should really just believe in themselves if they're gonna set their lives on a god.
tbh, i dislike it when people try to use god as an excuse to justify things... or when they push religion onto others. ionno.
whatever fills their twinkie really.
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Re: Religous Respect? [Re: elliev]
#14276284 - 04/12/11 01:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I stop respecting them when they have an education and are still religious, some religous people can think for themselves they just never went to school or read a non-fiction book.
And I dont stop respecting them as a person, just their intellect. I respect them about like I respect my dog, which is a decent amount. Just don't expect me to listen to my dog for advice on the universe.
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That sounds very open minded.
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Re: Religous Respect? [Re: ahchela]
#14279334 - 04/12/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ahchela said: That sounds very open minded.

I don't know what party that's directed at but if you mean what I think you mean I don't get it. It's a natural response, we can't help it just as you wouldn't be able to help doubting someone's total mental competence if they believed, without a doubt, that fairies and magical unicorns exist
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That point of view makes sense, but doesn't necessarily apply here.
Comparing Einstein, Mahler and Blake to a dog, is crapulous. One could say that individuals such as those three, were more spiritual or mystical than religious - in which case I would agree, but without that distinction... no. I'm sorry but I'll take Blake's side over anyone in this forum lol
Maybe I just don't get it though 
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ahchela said: That sounds very open minded.

I don't know what party that's directed at but if you mean what I think you mean I don't get it. It's a natural response, we can't help it just as you wouldn't be able to help doubting someone's total mental competence if they believed, without a doubt, that fairies and magical unicorns exist

I hate it when people make unsubstantial claims too. How do they know that you aren't open minded? They don't live with you everyday. They don't witness what you do and cannot know how and what you think. Right? Closed minded shit like that makes me chuckle . I guess it's just a natural response people make when they don't like or agree with what another person says/is. We all do it though .
p.s. are you saying fairies and magical unicorns don't exist?
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I hate it when people make unsubstantial claims too. How do they know that you aren't open minded? They don't live with you everyday. They don't witness what you do and cannot know how and what you think. Right? Closed minded shit like that makes me chuckle . I guess it's just a natural response people make when they don't like or agree with what another person says/is. We all do it though .
p.s. are you saying fairies and magical unicorns don't exist? 
My claim has a lot of substance. If one puts down all spiritual and religious people, then they're putting down some of the greatest thinkers in history. If you honestly think you're more intelligent than Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, then we don't need to continue this conversation.
Only a fool would put themselves above the 4 mentioned, and we all know thats just the tip of the ice berg.
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Re: Religous Respect? [Re: ahchela]
#14279485 - 04/12/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My claim has a lot of substance.

p.s. 
edit. I agree with your statement.
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Now I feel stupids
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I don't see how anything you just said was relevant to our discussion lol.... elaborate maybe?Quote:
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ahchela said: That sounds very open minded.

I don't know what party that's directed at but if you mean what I think you mean I don't get it. It's a natural response, we can't help it just as you wouldn't be able to help doubting someone's total mental competence if they believed, without a doubt, that fairies and magical unicorns exist

I hate it when people make unsubstantial claims too. How do they know that you aren't open minded? They don't live with you everyday. They don't witness what you do and cannot know how and what you think. Right? Closed minded shit like that makes me chuckle . I guess it's just a natural response people make when they don't like or agree with what another person says/is. We all do it though .
p.s. are you saying fairies and magical unicorns don't exist? 
can't totally tell if that was satirical or not... I'll just answer both.
A. (if it was) The difference is that there is a PROVEN correlation between religion and lower intellectual capabilities, no offense to religious peoples
B. (if it wasn't) haha yea i know
and about the fairies, XD
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Re: Religous Respect? [Re: ahchela]
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It was very different back in the day, many great thinkers either hid their atheism or only believed because there wasn't substantial proof reinforcing the opposite.
Nowadays any intelligent person should be able to look at the evidence on both sides and realize that religion is chalk full of contradictions and fallacies, of course that depends on what religion it is
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ahchela said: That sounds very open minded.

I don't know what party that's directed at but if you mean what I think you mean I don't get it. It's a natural response, we can't help it just as you wouldn't be able to help doubting someone's total mental competence if they believed, without a doubt, that fairies and magical unicorns exist
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Synapses-R-Us said: It was very different back in the day, many great thinkers either hid their atheism or only believed because there wasn't substantial proof reinforcing the opposite.
Nowadays any intelligent person should be able to look at the evidence on both sides and realize that religion is chalk full of contradictions and fallacies, of course that depends on what religion it is
you still need to hide it if you plan on running for office of any sort. Most religions nuts will not vote for a non believer as their church will tell them not to. JFK had a big problem as the WASPS though he would support the catholic church and the people that go after obammer as a muslim nowadays. Religion is just nuts and really should be illegal but that is against the law. Someday you can come out as a normal non fantasy believer and not get judged as an "evil atheist"
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Re: Religous Respect? [Re: argg]
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ahchela said: That sounds very open minded.

I don't know what party that's directed at but if you mean what I think you mean I don't get it. It's a natural response, we can't help it just as you wouldn't be able to help doubting someone's total mental competence if they believed, without a doubt, that fairies and magical unicorns exist
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Synapses-R-Us said: It was very different back in the day, many great thinkers either hid their atheism or only believed because there wasn't substantial proof reinforcing the opposite.
Nowadays any intelligent person should be able to look at the evidence on both sides and realize that religion is chalk full of contradictions and fallacies, of course that depends on what religion it is
you still need to hide it if you plan on running for office of any sort. Most religions nuts will not vote for a non believer as their church will tell them not to. JFK had a big problem as the WASPS though he would support the catholic church and the people that go after obammer as a muslim nowadays. Religion is just nuts and really should be illegal but that is against the law. Someday you can come out as a normal non fantasy believer and not get judged as an "evil atheist"
Exactly I feel bad having a sour taste in my mouth about religious peoples, but it really does irk me to know that atheists are the least trusted minority group in america.
Don't mean to offend anyone and their religious beliefs, I absolutely know very smart religious people exist and I am friends with a decent amount of them, I'm just making conversation
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Re: Religous Respect? [Re: ahchela]
#14279681 - 04/12/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ahchela said: Now I feel stupids
No sir. I am the stupid one. Should have taken your quote out of the equation. I was not targeting you. I was implying that we all do it or have at some point in our lives. I hate it when someone else does it, but I do it myself too.
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can't totally tell if that was satirical or not... I'll just answer both.
A. (if it was) The difference is that there is a PROVEN correlation between religion and lower intellectual capabilities, no offense to religious peoples
B. (if it wasn't) haha yea i know
and about the fairies, XD
I was being satirical yup . You still haven't answered my question though. How aren't they real? Or in other words. What makes them unreal?
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