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Trashin' The Woods
    #14278845 - 04/12/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All too often I find myself on the trail, really enjoying the beauty of the natural surroundings and then I spot a bottle, can, plastic bag, etc. left in the forest and I'm a little bummed.

I try to pick up trash as I'm hiking but the sad reality is there is usually more than I can fit in my pack. I try not to let the blatant disregard other humans have for nature get to me, especially when considering I'm on the trail in an effort to try and leave behind society even if it's just for a few hours. Last thing I want to do is waste positive energy on being negative about something like trash.

That said, I still get pissed from time to time.

I've given it a lot of thought and come to the conclusion that no matter how much education, incentive, and penalties are stressed about "putting litter in its place" humans will do whatever they want, wherever they are allowed to :shrug:

Since that seems to be the case, then compostable packaging is the only truly viable solution at this point. The waste will still be there, it just won't be there for generations to come.

What are your thoughts on waste in the woods? How do you deal with it? Have you thought of ways to help reduce the amount of trash humans leave in the forest?


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Re: Trashin' The Woods [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14278853 - 04/12/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i feel ya, walking to work i saw the garbage in the drain ditches, and i felt sad because if theres so much garbage in that little drainage ditch, i cant fathom the amount of mess were creating :frown:


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Re: Trashin' The Woods [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14278884 - 04/12/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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What are your thoughts on waste in the woods?





Hate it.

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How do you deal with it?





I pick it up.

Thankfully it seems that I run into much less than you.
I usually only see it on the more populated trails closer to LA.

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Have you thought of ways to help reduce the amount of trash humans leave in the forest?





Speciocide? :shrug:

Humans are naturally lazy.
And there's no policing out in the forest unfortunately.


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Re: Trashin' The Woods [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14278925 - 04/12/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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How do you deal with it?





I pick it up.

Thankfully it seems that I run into much less than you.
I usually only see it on the more populated trails closer to LA.





yeah, unfortunately i live in one of the more populated parts of America (the Southeast). I spend a lot of time in wildlife management areas when it's not hunting season and I can only assume that many of the hunters who populate the woods from October to February simply don't pay attention or give a shit about what they leave behind.

also, I tend to think that because the woods in the South have been seen as "nothing special" for so many generations that a general air of disregard and disrespect has set in amongst many Southerners. Most folks down here see the forest as a place to hunt and go get fucked up.

On a subconscious level I think it has to do with ones inability to find the sacred in nature. If nature has no sacredness ascribed to it, then who cares if we trash it :confused:


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Re: Trashin' The Woods [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14280222 - 04/12/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lately, it seems like nothing pisses me off more.


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Re: Trashin' The Woods [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14296859 - 04/15/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I feel and agree with you 100% :thumbup:


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Re: Trashin' The Woods [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14297574 - 04/15/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In the south a lot of the lakes tend to flood because they are man made. If you walk in the floodzones you find thousands of pounds of trash. I walked the edge of one lake for over a mile and there was nothing but trash - sometimes it was so bad you couldn't even walk through it.


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Re: Trashin' The Woods [Re: vjp] * 1
    #14298746 - 04/15/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Damn, I thought the west was bad. I'll learn to appreciate how mild our trash problem is. A bottle here. A power bar wrapper there.


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    #14330793 - 04/21/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I can't stand it when I witness someone flicking a cigarette butt or a beer bottle cap...Anything for that matter, it's just those seem to be common and most people think small things like that are harmless :rolleyes: .


I get on my friends when I see them drop anything while we're out in the woods or camping. I'm the only one within my group of friends that seems to care about that sort of shit, or at least the only one that cares enough to speak out about it. And they know it gets to me, oh the look on their faces when they drop a cig-butt and notice that I saw them do it :smirk: .



Fists have almost flown one night while some friends and I (along with a group of others) were hanging out near a bird sanctuary. People kept chucking their cans and breaking their beer bottles left & right....Now I'm a very very quite dude & totally avoid any sort of confrontation but I had a few beers in me and spoke up about it. I was very nice at first just asking people to at least throw the cans/bottles back into the box or something, but they more or less ignored me and kept at it through out the night. I was pretty pissed and at one tension was building between the two groups. They eventually left>>>

(funny long story short...That group that was disrespecting the place. While leaving some drunk bitch slammed into one of their friends car that was parked on the side of the road a mile or two down from where we were...Totaled her car, she got a DUI, all the occupants had some sort of broken bone. And another girl that was getting into the Camaro during the impact was knocked 20 feet or so through the air....Karma much? :smirk:)






Anyway, it really does piss me off and makes me sad how much trash is scattered about wilderness, just when you think you've gotten far away from civilization. I pick up as much as I can when I come across it, and ask others to pick up their trash when I suspect they're just going to leave it...Some people just seem to almost get offensive or pissed when you ask/tell them to, I don't get it...




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Re: Trashin' The Woods [Re: gerryjarcia] * 1
    #14354425 - 04/26/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

this doesn't partain to the woods, but i live right near the shores of lake ontario, so i'm at the lake often, especially during the summer months. it's absolutely disgusting and upsetting having to look at all the waste littered along the shores. what's even more appalling is that there are garbage bins as well as recycling bins provided along the paths of the shore. i don't understand how people can be so ignorant. not only does it make the land look filthy, all that waste sits and rots for hundreds of years. more people got to start treating the environment with more respect, because one day we're going to be needing the land a whole hell of a lot more than we already do.


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Re: Trashin' The Woods [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14354438 - 04/26/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Your very kind to pick up trash. Thats a wonderful thing.

I hate to see people litter our beautiful earth too. I used to go to the college swim spot when I was still in school. It was a massive rock on the edge of the river where everyone sat, tanned, chilled, drank beer, and smoked bud.

Some assholes would break their bottles over rocks, throw their cigarette butts in the water, or just leave their trash at the rock. It pissed me off because nobody wants to walk on broken glass or swim in garbage.

Some really nice people bring trash bags down and clean up every once in a while. As for me, I just make sure I take my trash and my friends trash with me.


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Re: Trashin' The Woods [Re: XUL] * 1
    #14354495 - 04/26/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't do it out of kindness (although I do appreciate the kind words :psychsplit:), i do it out of a sense of stewardship and responsibility.

This is the only planet that we have, it's our home. This is where my mother and sister, brother, father and nieces and another 6.9 billion of the species i'm a part of exist (not too mention all the other species which are just as important).

We are a part of the ecosystem and the ecosystem is a part of us. This isn't some "hippie" idea, it's the reality of the world we find ourselves a part of.

Too many of us exist as if we are somehow "above" the natural laws of nature and as a result we act in accordance with our skewed perspective.

I've been thinking a lot about land stewardship. In a "perfect" world we wouldn't need stewardship or land management because land wouldn't constantly be under threat of being decimated outside of the natural scope of its existence. In the kind of world we have created stewardship and land management is a reality we have to cope with.

I'm looking into being involved with local and national organizations that take a "stand for the land". This is our home, we need to love and take care of it.

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Re: Trashin' The Woods [Re: vjp]
    #14355983 - 04/26/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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In the south a lot of the lakes tend to flood because they are man made. If you walk in the floodzones you find thousands of pounds of trash. I walked the edge of one lake for over a mile and there was nothing but trash - sometimes it was so bad you couldn't even walk through it.




THIS. I clean up the woods by my school (and sometimes by my house, but that is a problem far too large for me to tackle) and even still after the next rain more washes both down from higher elevations and up from whats still buried in the ground.

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I don't do it out of kindness (although I do appreciate the kind words :psychsplit:), i do it out of a sense of stewardship and responsibility.

This is the only planet that we have, it's our home. This is where my mother and sister, brother, father and nieces and another 6.9 billion of the species i'm a part of exist (not too mention all the other species which are just as important).

We are a part of the ecosystem and the ecosystem is a part of us. This isn't some "hippie" idea, it's the reality of the world we find ourselves a part of.

Too many of us exist as if we are somehow "above" the natural laws of nature and as a result we act in accordance with our skewed perspective.

I've been thinking a lot about land stewardship. In a "perfect" world we wouldn't need stewardship or land management because land wouldn't constantly be under threat of being decimated outside of the natural scope of its existence. In the kind of world we have created stewardship and land management is a reality we have to cope with.

I'm looking into being involved with local and national organizations that take a "stand for the land". This is our home, we need to love and take care of it.

end rant/




I wish I could twist you up a doob right now. You deserve one. In a "perfect world," everyone would be a steward of the land.


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