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Your world is a dream.
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Spiritually and mystically-inclined people, do you agree with this sentiment? Is this a tenet of your faith, an experience you live through or have lived through, the highest metaphysical truth of this universe, for you? Are you that primordial, infinite Mind, dreaming itself endlessly? Are you Brahma, asleep to Her/His True Nature, diving temporarily into the waters of duality, temporality, and death, in order to experience anew the sweet bliss of coming up for the air of immortality?
Or are you just some guy who posts at the Shroomery?
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
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"Life is a bridge, cross it but build no house upon it" I agree life is a dream but I dont think you can walk through walls or anything like that, its like smoke, like foam on the water, it cant be grasped at, there is no goal really, the universe is not going anywhere. Maybe the point is experience or just existence. Its fun to think about this stuff.
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Cool thoughts. You can't walk through walls? So it's a dream with rules. Whose rules? Whose dream?
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
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an Idealist believes all is spirit, materialisim belives there is no spirit only matter, panpsychism says there is both spirit and matter at the same time infused together, they go together like black and white and you cant know one without the other, they are really ONE at the same time. and Idealist may believe all is spirit but I have yet to meet and idealist who can walk through solid objects.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14278763 - 04/12/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cool thoughts. You can't walk through walls? So it's a dream with rules. Whose rules? Whose dream?
When you dream within your own mind it is yours alone, when you dream the collective dream in the shared reality it is every individual souls dream and the laws apply. You can't just walk through a wall because a that wall may be made of stone and that stone is a souls dream form. The external physical reality are the other souls and they are real.
You can't just do whatever your invidual soul wants because your wants are not the wants of your higher soul the oversoul. This dream is the dream of the oversoul, the dream you experience at night is the dream within the dream.
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I've experienced being the "dreamer" who knew exactly what was happening and moved seamlessly with the dream. Normalicy disappeared and dream like qualities took over. Walking ground with glass, rocks, and fallen pine needles on a moonless night and never receiving so much as a scuff. I tried it again a week later in the same location and I couldn't move anywhere without stabbing everything into my feet, let alone romp around for hours on end.
But in the end I'm just some dude posting on the shroomery
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14278998 - 04/12/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lion said: Spiritually and mystically-inclined people, do you agree with this sentiment? Is this a tenet of your faith, an experience you live through or have lived through, the highest metaphysical truth of this universe, for you? Are you that primordial, infinite Mind, dreaming itself endlessly? Are you Brahma, asleep to Her/His True Nature, diving temporarily into the waters of duality, temporality, and death, in order to experience anew the sweet bliss of coming up for the air of immortality?
Or are you just some guy who posts at the Shroomery?
In contemporary Western culture "dream" has the connotations of unreal or meaningless. However, dreams are very real and carry meaning. But for a dream there has to be a dreamer. Yes I believe we (not necessarily the personality) are the dreamer of our reality. What we put energy into is what we get back. IMO, it is a dream with consensus rules, which a greater part of our self agreed to follow. I think we are taking something amazing out of this experience. The experience itself can be amazing. It might all be for the experience. In a a seemingly infinite Universe, the One has the keep itself busy somehow.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14280763 - 04/12/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Think of it this way.
This is its' universe.
We are all connected to what is called I AM. Unlock the secrets within.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Cursive]
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I'm but one mirror in a house of mirrors, which isn't really a house.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
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Yes definitely, it seems to be so..as long as there is 'you/'me' who casted all these thoughts on reality. It's like.. The 'me' who is seen to be the self, isn't really I, cause I am already seer who sees 'me'. Unseen seer that is.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: I AM SWIM] 1
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Envix] 1
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The word "dream" is meaningless if there's no real world for it to be compared to. We only know what "dreams" are by the fact that we've been awake.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: NetDiver]
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Indeed, but in this case it's a rough approximation of concepts. Dreams are to the waking world as the waking world is to Ultimate Reality - that is, equally transient and illusory. Just as we know that we dream by experiencing wakefulness, so many mystics claim to have awoken from this world into an even truer reality. I am curious to know what people think about the possible existence of such a reality. I myself would neither affirm nor deny its existence based upon my own experience of being human.
I suppose one could further posit, "Having allegedly awoken to Ultimate Reality, how would one then discern whether that, too, were not a dream?"
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
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Lion said: Just as we know that we dream by experiencing wakefulness, so many mystics claim to have awoken from this world into an even truer reality. I am curious to know what people think about the possible existence of such a reality. I myself would neither affirm nor deny its existence based upon my own experience of being human.
The truer reality is like being totally lucid while the body is awake. I myself have seen that happen to me, as it is probably what began your own spiritual walk. But beyond that is completely outside of the entire human ego. Eventually you build up enough "lucidity" that you keep growing in awareness, and you realize there is no limit to what conscious can create, and the only way to continue growing is to constantly be becoming MORE. Eventually you get 'fully' self aware beings that embody and take dominion over the Earth, like Buddha and Jesus.
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Lion said: I suppose one could further posit, "Having allegedly awoken to Ultimate Reality, how would one then discern whether that, too, were not a dream?" 
Because it is like that, having formed an egotistical bound. It's like this saying goes about a man who dug deep inside himself and found a bright shining stream of om, and he was just sitting there. He then decided to cross the stream of flowing light, the river of oneness, and when he did he only found another stream.
The ego puts you in patterns, to distraught your awakening patterns, all that makes you want to become more the human aspects take hold and try so hard to block you from transcending, deepening, and becoming more. You just eventually transcend so much that you see the only way to continue moving forward is to surrender to what Jesus called, our heavenly god.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14285213 - 04/13/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pfft.
That is called laminin, and means nothing as a diagram representation. Carbon is also the basis of life and has 6 protons, 6 electrons, and 6 neutrons, so clearly the devil is at work here.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14288357 - 04/14/11 03:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lion said: Dreams are to the waking world as the waking world is to Ultimate Reality - that is, equally transient and illusory.
Indeed, but what is the evidence that the rock outside your house is a transient phenomenon? Every time you go out you see that rock and it looks pretty much the same every time. It disappears when attention goes somewhere else but it's also "always" there, available. It requires mental work to arrive at the conclusion that some day it will have been eroded by rain or other factors. But how does one know in the Now that what is being perceived, the rock for instance, is not eternal? Simply by looking away? When our ancestors were not aware of fossils did they have any way of knowing that some day the animals they were hunting might not exist? All of this IMO is only empirical evidence arranged by logic that only hints at impermanence, even dreams. But to really see that everything is impermanent can one rely on a mental construct, a conclusion? Conclusions have to be brought up from memory, and memory can fail. So how can impermanence be seen as the living reality, every moment? Unless we somehow Know it..
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Tony]
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It's certainly demonstrable in a concrete way that any object is ultimately as impermanent as the thought-forms of dreams. You could smash that rock into a million bits and let the dust scatter into the wind, if you so chose. That form would never exist again, though its consituent parts would remain part of the earth's cycles - as, I would posit, all dreams remain affect of our mental processes, including the process of further dreaming.
Likewise, the human form in itself is testament to impermanence - it is always changing, and it becomes totally unrecognizable within a matter of days upon its biological death.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
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I guess that would be a kind of a empirically demonstrable impermanence. On the other hand if time is cyclical then every form will also repeat itself infinitely, and therefore even forms are eternal in this regard. However in spiritual terms I think impermanence points at something immediate rather than this kind of derived knowledge. After all the word impermanence implies that there IS something permanent, otherwise there would be nothing to compare it with and the word would be utterly meaningless.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Tony]
#14289792 - 04/14/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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waking dream: conscious continuity sleeping dream: subconscious spontaneity
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Envix]
#14290044 - 04/14/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Waking reality is spontaneous and weird too. We were just talking about rocks eroding and Lion mentioned smashing rocks into bits, then I turn on the TV and what's on? A documentary about ancient technology and how it can be used to get through solid rock.
(Hannibal's army used heat, vinegar, and sledge hammers to pave a path for its animals into a rock cliff)
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14293247 - 04/14/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Spiritually and mystically-inclined people, do you agree with this sentiment? Is this a tenet of your faith, an experience you live through or have lived through, the highest metaphysical truth of this universe, for you? Are you that primordial, infinite Mind, dreaming itself endlessly? Are you Brahma, asleep to Her/His True Nature, diving temporarily into the waters of duality, temporality, and death, in order to experience anew the sweet bliss of coming up for the air of immortality?
Or are you just some guy who posts at the Shroomery?
*rolls eyes*
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
#14293374 - 04/14/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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use the gremlin newb
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Envix]
#14293379 - 04/14/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Envix said: use the gremlin newb 
lol
hey! i have a name you know
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
#14293437 - 04/14/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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srry jackass
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Envix]
#14293444 - 04/14/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Envix said: srry jackass 
I think you have me all wrong sweetheart.
This dumbass is just full of shit. So I am smacking a little sense into him. It's nothing personal.
You wanna be my first friend friend on the site? I'll forever hold you in my heart
I'm lonely
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Envix]
#14293461 - 04/14/11 11:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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*sigh*
this site does not support that pointless little game.
We cannot be friends because it was not offered as a choice for us to choose. Very profound! Can it be said to be true choice if the choices that are available to you were hand-picked and presented to you?
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion] 1
#14293473 - 04/14/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I used to be attracted to the whole gnostic/idealist view of a an acosmic reality where the material world is illusory and there's a "real" reality beyond it of pure, radiant light.
I've come to reject that view more and more over time. I would now consider myself more of a spiritual naturalist. I think that there may be some reality to the subtle or causal realms, but they're not fundamentally separate from the physical. I could say either that matter is simply a dense form of spirit, or that spirit is a more subtle form of matter. I believe everything is interconnected, that any object is empty of itself and exists only by virtue of its relationships to other things. I think that oneness/enlightenment/satori/etc. are not so much a matter of escaping the world as they are of realizing its depths. The illusory nature of the world is only in our experience of separation from it.
And with that, I'll conclude with Teilhard de Chardin's "Hymn to Matter":
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Blessed be you, universal matter, immeasurable time, boundless ether, triple abyss of stars and atoms and generations: you who by overflowing and dissolving our narrow standards or measurement reveal to us the dimensions of God. Blessed be you, impenetrable matter: you who, interposed between our minds and the world of essences, cause us to languish with the desire to pierce through the seamless veil of phenomena.
Blessed be you, mortal matter: you who one day will undergo the process of dissolution within us and will thereby take us forcibly into the very heart that which exists.
Without you, without your onslaughts, without your uprootings of us, we should remain all our lives inert, stagnant, puerile, ignorant both of ourselves and of God. You who batter us and then dress our wounds, you who resist us and yield to us, you who wreck and build, you who shackle and liberate, the sap of our souls, the hand of God, the flesh of Christ: it is you, matter, that I bless.
I bless you, matter, and you I acclaim: not as the pontiffs of science or the moralizing preachers depict you, debased, disfigured–a mass of brute forces and base appetites–but as you reveal yourself to me today, in your totality and your true nature.
I acclaim you as the divine milieu, charged with creative power, as the ocean stirred by the Spirit, as the clay molded and infused with life by the incarnate Word.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
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synapz said: *sigh*
this site does not support that pointless little game.
We cannot be friends because it was not offered as a choice for us to choose. Very profound! Can it be said to be true choice if the choices that are available to you were hand-picked and presented to you?
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said: I've come to reject that view more and more over time. I would now consider myself more of a spiritual naturalist. I think that there may be some reality to the subtle or causal realms, but they're not fundamentally separate from the physical. I could say either that matter is simply a dense form of spirit, or that spirit is a more subtle form of matter. I believe everything is interconnected, that any object is empty of itself and exists only by virtue of its relationships to other things. I think that oneness/enlightenment/satori/etc. are not so much a matter of escaping the world as they are of realizing its depths. The illusory nature of the world is only in our experience of separation from it.
I couldn't agree more. As above, so below.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
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This dumbass is just full of shit.
Don't call me a dumbass for asking a question. I didn't even claim to have an opinion on the subject.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
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Envix said: srry jackass 
This dumbass is just full of shit.
Don't call me a dumbass for asking a question. I didn't even claim to have an opinion on the subject.
mate.
ok, i haven't read any of your posts but this single one, but there is a huge smug feel of "I know and you guys do not" that emanates off your post. I mean this is the type of stuff that is SO CLEAR to me. I see it clear as day. So, really, check yourself dude. I don't want to hurt you needlessly. I don't pointlessly attack posts for my own sick little thrill. It's fun I enjoy it lol but I enjoy helping clear up nonsensicalness. I'm a knucklehead but I am sincere.
you claim you don't have an opinion - that's a silly defense of the post, you just noted you did not provide an opinion and rolled with that shit basically lol. but i mean, ok whatever. you know you HAVE an opinion (at least) but like I said, I sense it is a strong certainty in you, that comes from deep conviction. I've been there myself. I know about it very well I took a lot of notes :P
so, please save your clever little responses defending yourself for someone else. I am not interested. Engage me actually, or just bumble about I guess. *shrugs*
either way I mean no disrespect. I am just very "loud" I really cannot help it. If you find what I have to say doesn't work for you or you think I am the one that is full of shit, then block me or just ignore my stupid ass. I'll leave you alone. I don't pick on people that are walking away from me.
finding defenses however is a pointless activity that is only avoidance and denial of the issue on the table.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
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his post is not "emanating" anything. it's all in your headz
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
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This dumbass is just full of shit.
Don't call me a dumbass for asking a question. I didn't even claim to have an opinion on the subject.
mate.
ok, i haven't read any of your posts but this single one, but there is a huge smug feel of "I know and you guys do not" that emanates off your post. I mean this is the type of stuff that is SO CLEAR to me. I see it clear as day. So, really, check yourself dude. I don't want to hurt you needlessly. I don't pointlessly attack posts for my own sick little thrill. It's fun I enjoy it lol but I enjoy helping clear up nonsensicalness. I'm a knucklehead but I am sincere.
Lions' OP doesn't seem to be smug to me. This post of yours' does however. Do you mind explaining to me how bragging about being able to "tear to shreds any new-age gurus video and them look flat out fucking retarded, with complete ease." isn't smug but asking a question is?
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synapz said: you know, I really feel like most of the gurus have no clue they're coming from a pathetically low level in terms of 'truth realization' (odd sounding, but it's not the label itself I am referring to, but literally one's 'level' of consciousness) they 'stop way short' basically and then jerk off to themselves in the mirror about how awesome and totally cool they are
I literally could off the cuff tear to shreds any new-age gurus video and them look flat out fucking retarded, with complete ease. check out what i did to my first victim, scott kiloby. lol so fun. honestly if my video ever get somewhat popular these gurus that I haven't fucked with yet are gonna have night terrors. i actually believe this. you cleanup bullshit by clotting the bleeding, FIRST and foremost. You deal with the results of it after the wound is cleaned uo.
First things first eh?
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Lions' OP doesn't seem to be smug to me.
then you're not aware enough to see it.
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This post of yours' does however.
my post does yes certainty
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Do you mind explaining to me how bragging about being able to "tear to shreds any new-age gurus video and them look flat out fucking retarded, with complete ease." isn't smug but asking a question is?
it is smug though.. so i don't need to explain, there's nothing to explain.
any other questions? or are we done here..?
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
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So why is it that you think Lion needs to "check himself" why do you think you there is any reason to hurt him Are you just trying to be a confrontational douche
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
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Envix said: srry jackass 
This dumbass is just full of shit.
Don't call me a dumbass for asking a question. I didn't even claim to have an opinion on the subject.
mate.
ok, i haven't read any of your posts but this single one, but there is a huge smug feel of "I know and you guys do not" that emanates off your post. I mean this is the type of stuff that is SO CLEAR to me. I see it clear as day. So, really, check yourself dude. I don't want to hurt you needlessly. I don't pointlessly attack posts for my own sick little thrill. It's fun I enjoy it lol but I enjoy helping clear up nonsensicalness. I'm a knucklehead but I am sincere.
you claim you don't have an opinion - that's a silly defense of the post, you just noted you did not provide an opinion and rolled with that shit basically lol. but i mean, ok whatever. you know you HAVE an opinion (at least) but like I said, I sense it is a strong certainty in you, that comes from deep conviction. I've been there myself. I know about it very well I took a lot of notes :P
so, please save your clever little responses defending yourself for someone else. I am not interested. Engage me actually, or just bumble about I guess. *shrugs*
either way I mean no disrespect. I am just very "loud" I really cannot help it. If you find what I have to say doesn't work for you or you think I am the one that is full of shit, then block me or just ignore my stupid ass. I'll leave you alone. I don't pick on people that are walking away from me.
finding defenses however is a pointless activity that is only avoidance and denial of the issue on the table.
I'm not going to block you, but I'll certainly ignore your posts if they insult me and don't actually contain any kind of response to the topic. As to your contention that I am being smug and condescending: what Envix said: simple projection. I can't even tell which side you think it is I've taken on the matter.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
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then you're not aware enough to see it.
ur not aware enough bro
gotta be more aware than that!
AWARENESS
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NEED TO BE MORE AWARE!@!! 
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: I AM SWIM]
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Let me sidestep this. I find Lion's original post very interesting, the questions he is raising.
I think it has a lot to do with our language, particularly the one we are speaking right now. The syntax, definitions, yes, an ancestral history of ideas coded into transmittable form. Some are outdated, others are newly emerging, metaphors such as the world being a dream, I do think a lot of us, more than we maybe tend to believe, are on the same page here. We are just stuck in cogwheels of words and sentence structure, limiting our ability to effectively communicate some experiential natures of existence.
Dream. Reality. They're set to oppose one another, at least in definition. I try not to forget that this is so. The truth, you see, can only be seen. Try to tell the truth to someone. Chances are it will always be interpreted differently by every person. Look somebody in the eye, and just see. The experience, I find, is quite clear, if even for a split second.
Sometimes I wonder if a world exists where intelligent beings have evolved in a way where they communicate all on a true parallel, by that I mean, that one mind sees the same idea that the other mind is transmitting. Crystal clear transmission, no static. Would a society of species like that wage war on another like we do, or would they rather be more peaceful and understanding.
Maybe that sort of thing only exists in a dream, and maybe it exists right in front of my eyes, but I am not tuned to its frequency, and therefore cannot dream it, but only dream of it.
It could be a lot of things, and it's fun to think about. Ultimate Reality, the waking in waking life. I cannot imagine that to be the end of the rope. The dream goes on, moment to moment. The enlightened state is one of realizing that the whole journey itself is the destination. I think people who are very in tune with this way of viewing the world and are well trained in bypassing the pitfalls of language and its boundaries, are just simply remembering that. Remembering that they remember that they remember, constantly transcending, layer by layer, palms up and accepting that every passing fleeting moment is not worth grasping, but is better just to let it pass by because it will do so anyway. So what's the point? Just enjoy it. Bliss out.
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I think it has a lot to do with our language, particularly the one we are speaking right now.
opinion with unclear subject matter (think orgy for the mind)
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The syntax, definitions, yes, an ancestral history of ideas coded into transmittable form.
explanation of unclear subject matter to further muddy up unclear subject matter
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Some are outdated, others are newly emerging, metaphors such as the world being a dream, I do think a lot of us, more than we maybe tend to believe, are on the same page here.
here we see him going off into stray thought, fluttering about.
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We are just stuck in cogwheels of words and sentence structure, limiting our ability to effectively communicate some experiential natures of existence.
he is seen here in this example playing teacher, aww *heart*
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Dream. Reality.
Frustration ensues for the little fellow
*cues thunder*
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They're set to oppose one another, at least in definition.
*fixes the little guys tie to really give it that special touch*
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I try not to forget that this is so. The truth, you see, can only be seen.
In this one he is saying blind people are fucked
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Try to tell the truth to someone.
A request or order, that presupposes we lie
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Chances are it will always be interpreted differently by every person.
Here he supports his own conclusion via the slick "chances are" card. he also continues in his apparent mission to breed that which is not clarity
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Look somebody in the eye, and just see. The experience, I find, is quite clear, if even for a split second.
Here he is making a random request of you... to look someone in the eye and "see" (deconstruction of clarity persists as well)
He also hints that he might might be blind.....
that wouldn't be good given his own theory lol
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Sometimes I wonder if a world exists where intelligent beings have evolved in a way where they communicate all on a true parallel, by that I mean, that one mind sees the same idea that the other mind is transmitting.
the lad wonders to himself, and in so doing blurring the line further like the consistent little engine he is
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Would a society of species like that wage war on another like we do, or would they rather be more peaceful and understanding.
we witness the asking of a deeply profound and prudent question in this
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Maybe that sort of thing only exists in a dream, and maybe it exists right in front of my eyes, but I am not tuned to its frequency, and therefore cannot dream it, but only dream of it.
Here he is putting his thoughts of said question into words
rape of clarity and decent into random nonsensicalness going strong still however, gaining momentum inexplicably
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t could be a lot of things, and it's fun to think about.
Blurred line from random vague subject matter now complete. Permission has been granted to switch subject matter to stray-thought-based hypothetical and subject has accepted. cessation of operation deconstruction of clarity complete.
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Ultimate Reality, the waking in waking life. I cannot imagine that to be the end of the rope. The dream goes on, moment to moment. The enlightened state is one of realizing that the whole journey itself is the destination. I think people who are very in tune with this way of viewing the world and are well trained in bypassing the pitfalls of language and its boundaries, are just simply remembering that. Remembering that they remember that they remember, constantly transcending, layer by layer, palms up and accepting that every passing fleeting moment is not worth grasping, but is better just to let it pass by because it will do so anyway. So what's the point? Just enjoy it. Bliss out.
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*rolls eyes*
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Silversoul]
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Click here to get this thread back on track.
*synapz takes his handkerchief out, spits in it, and proceeds to clean up a spot of chocolate on the rambunctious little buggers chin, in spite the child's stubborn nature and attempt to squirm away*
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That's it. 30 day forum ban.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
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Stop wasting space on this forum
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Middleman]
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finally, thanks MM
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its good to see good moderation. yes the world is made of language and it seems to make things murky by separating us by our different interpretations of reality. but maybe this is just the way it is at this stage of evolution of the talking monkey. maybe once language can be seen rather than heard(through technology or other means) there will be a better world for all.and yes what i am saying is very Mckenna. just had a thought of how sad it is that man has forever had this longing for a better world but it never seems to come.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: monkiman]
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all i know is that the world is made out of a thang called "doin' thangs" 
because thangs are constantly doin' all the time and is always changing and you can never put your finger on what that thang actually is because it's doin' thangs. 
it's always doin' thangs, which is why you can never hold on to it, because it completely comes and goes 
its like riding a wave, sometimes im on 
sometimes im off 
but at least iknow where i want to go  and that i want to take as many people with me as i possibly can 
because the FEELING is AMAZING! 
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14300086 - 04/16/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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dude i wouldn't call waking life a "dream"...simply because that's what i call what happens at night, and i wouldn't label waking life a "dream" simply because it RESEMBLES a dream.
i would say that it is SIMILAR to dream state, and i don't think this to be that profound of a thought.
i feel as though i'm constantly observing physical life through some film, and when i'm on acid i feel like i can rip apart the film at my own desire.
even when i get head rush or stoned i know that the way i perceive the world has been changed, and that means that the world is different as well, so the conclusion i come to is that by affecting my brain in some way may lead to the ability to affect my physical existence in some way, the key is finding the right combination of thoughts, substances, concentration...then breaking through the film.
what i always think about is how no matter what state of mind i'm in, i still feel like i'm "looking" through MY eyes...i don't feel like the way i perceive the world through my eyes changes, it's what i see that changes...i guess this is what leads me to the thought that yea, waking life is similar to a dream...
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i wonder how a person thinks 'outside the brain' ... 
is that even do-able?
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: I AM SWIM]
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i wonder if the brain is merely the vehicle in which your perception may access other experiences?
then what is our vehicle of perception once the body has died? what is our 'source' of perception beyond the brain?
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the brain is the source of perception. there is something that lays deeper than perception though
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