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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Envix]
    #14290044 - 04/14/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Waking reality is spontaneous and weird too. We were just talking about rocks eroding and Lion mentioned smashing rocks into bits, then I turn on the TV and what's on? A documentary about ancient technology and how it can be used to get through solid rock.


(Hannibal's army used heat, vinegar, and sledge hammers to pave a path  for its animals into a rock cliff)


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
    #14293247 - 04/14/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Spiritually and mystically-inclined people, do you agree with this sentiment?  Is this a tenet of your faith, an experience you live through or have lived through, the highest metaphysical truth of this universe, for you?  Are you that primordial, infinite Mind, dreaming itself endlessly?  Are you Brahma, asleep to Her/His True Nature, diving temporarily into the waters of duality, temporality, and death, in order to experience anew the sweet bliss of coming up for the air of immortality?

Or are you just some guy who posts at the Shroomery?




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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
    #14293374 - 04/14/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

use the gremlin newb :rolleyes:


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Envix]
    #14293379 - 04/14/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Envix said:
use the gremlin newb :rolleyes:




lol

hey! i have a name you know :frown:


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
    #14293437 - 04/14/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

srry jackass :awetongue:


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Envix]
    #14293444 - 04/14/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Envix said:
srry jackass :awetongue:




I think you have me all wrong sweetheart.

This dumbass is just full of shit. So I am smacking a little sense into him. It's nothing personal.

You wanna be my first  friend friend on the site? I'll forever hold you in my heart :laugh:

I'm lonely :frown:


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Envix]
    #14293461 - 04/14/11 11:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

*sigh*

this site does not support that pointless little game.

We cannot be friends because it was not offered as a choice for us to choose. Very profound! Can it be said to be true choice if the choices that are available to you were hand-picked and presented to you?


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion] * 1
    #14293473 - 04/14/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I used to be attracted to the whole gnostic/idealist view of a an acosmic reality where the material world is illusory and there's a "real" reality beyond it of pure, radiant light.

I've come to reject that view more and more over time.  I would now consider myself more of a spiritual naturalist.  I think that there may be some reality to the subtle or causal realms, but they're not fundamentally separate from the physical.  I could say either that matter is simply a dense form of spirit, or that spirit is a more subtle form of matter.  I believe everything is interconnected, that any object is empty of itself and exists only by virtue of its relationships to other things.  I think that oneness/enlightenment/satori/etc. are not so much a matter of escaping the world as they are of realizing its depths.  The illusory nature of the world is only in our experience of separation from it.

And with that, I'll conclude with Teilhard de Chardin's "Hymn to Matter":

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Blessed be you, universal matter, immeasurable time, boundless ether, triple abyss of stars and atoms and generations: you who by overflowing and dissolving our narrow standards or measurement reveal to us the dimensions of God. Blessed be you, impenetrable matter: you who, interposed between our minds and the world of essences, cause us to languish with the desire to pierce through the seamless veil of phenomena.

Blessed be you, mortal matter: you who one day will undergo the process of dissolution within us and will thereby take us forcibly into the very heart that which exists.

Without you, without your onslaughts, without your uprootings of us, we should remain all our lives inert, stagnant, puerile, ignorant both of ourselves and of God. You who batter us and then dress our wounds, you who resist us and yield to us, you who wreck and build, you who shackle and liberate, the sap of our souls, the hand of God, the flesh of Christ: it is you, matter, that I bless.

I bless you, matter, and you I acclaim: not as the pontiffs of science or the moralizing preachers depict you, debased, disfigured–a mass of brute forces and base appetites–but as you reveal yourself to me today, in your totality and your true nature.

I acclaim you as the divine milieu, charged with creative power, as the ocean stirred by the Spirit, as the clay molded and infused with life by the incarnate Word.




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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
    #14293521 - 04/15/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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synapz said:
*sigh*

this site does not support that pointless little game.

We cannot be friends because it was not offered as a choice for us to choose. Very profound! Can it be said to be true choice if the choices that are available to you were hand-picked and presented to you?





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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Silversoul]
    #14293533 - 04/15/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
I've come to reject that view more and more over time.  I would now consider myself more of a spiritual naturalist.  I think that there may be some reality to the subtle or causal realms, but they're not fundamentally separate from the physical.  I could say either that matter is simply a dense form of spirit, or that spirit is a more subtle form of matter.  I believe everything is interconnected, that any object is empty of itself and exists only by virtue of its relationships to other things.  I think that oneness/enlightenment/satori/etc. are not so much a matter of escaping the world as they are of realizing its depths.  The illusory nature of the world is only in our experience of separation from it.






I couldn't agree more. As above, so below.


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
    #14294373 - 04/15/11 07:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

synapz said:
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Envix said:
srry jackass :awetongue:



This dumbass is just full of shit.


Don't call me a dumbass for asking a question.  I didn't even claim to have an opinion on the subject.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
    #14294445 - 04/15/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Lion said:
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synapz said:
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Envix said:
srry jackass :awetongue:



This dumbass is just full of shit.


Don't call me a dumbass for asking a question.  I didn't even claim to have an opinion on the subject.




mate.

ok, i haven't read any of your posts but this single one, but there is a huge smug feel of "I know and you guys do not" that emanates off your post. I mean this is the type of stuff that is SO CLEAR to me. I see it clear as day. So, really, check yourself dude. I don't want to hurt you needlessly. I don't pointlessly attack posts for my own sick little thrill. It's fun I enjoy it lol but I enjoy helping clear up nonsensicalness. I'm a knucklehead but I am sincere.

you claim you don't have an opinion - that's a silly defense of the post, you just noted you did not provide an opinion and rolled with that shit basically lol. but i mean, ok whatever. you know you HAVE an opinion (at least) but like I said, I sense it is a strong certainty in you, that comes from deep conviction. I've been there myself. I know about it very well I took a lot of notes :P

so, please save your clever little responses defending yourself for someone else. I am not interested. Engage me actually, or just bumble about I guess. *shrugs*

either way I mean no disrespect. I am just very "loud" I really cannot help it. If you find what I have to say doesn't work for you or you think I am the one that is full of shit, then block me or just ignore my stupid ass. I'll leave you alone. I don't pick on people that are walking away from me.

finding defenses however is a pointless activity that is only avoidance and denial of the issue on the table.


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
    #14294534 - 04/15/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

his post is not "emanating" anything. it's all in your headz


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
    #14294588 - 04/15/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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synapz said:
Quote:

Lion said:
Quote:

synapz said:
Quote:

Envix said:
srry jackass :awetongue:



This dumbass is just full of shit.


Don't call me a dumbass for asking a question.  I didn't even claim to have an opinion on the subject.




mate.

ok, i haven't read any of your posts but this single one, but there is a huge smug feel of "I know and you guys do not" that emanates off your post. I mean this is the type of stuff that is SO CLEAR to me. I see it clear as day. So, really, check yourself dude. I don't want to hurt you needlessly. I don't pointlessly attack posts for my own sick little thrill. It's fun I enjoy it lol but I enjoy helping clear up nonsensicalness. I'm a knucklehead but I am sincere.





Lions' OP doesn't seem to be smug to me. :shrug:  This post of yours' does however.  Do you mind explaining to me how bragging about being able to "tear to shreds any new-age gurus video and them look flat out fucking retarded, with complete ease." isn't smug but asking a question is?
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synapz said:
you know, I really feel like most of the gurus have no clue they're coming from a pathetically low level in terms of 'truth realization' (odd sounding, but it's not the label itself I am referring to, but literally one's 'level' of consciousness) they 'stop way short' basically and then jerk off to themselves in the mirror about how awesome and totally cool they are

I literally could off the cuff tear to shreds any new-age gurus video and them look flat out fucking retarded, with complete ease. check out what i did to my first victim, scott kiloby. lol so fun.  honestly if my video ever get somewhat popular these gurus that I haven't fucked with yet are gonna have night terrors. i actually believe this. you cleanup bullshit by clotting the bleeding, FIRST and foremost. You deal with the results of it after the wound is cleaned uo.

First things first eh?



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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: donteatasians]
    #14294610 - 04/15/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Lions' OP doesn't seem to be smug to me.


 
then you're not aware enough to see it.

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This post of yours' does however.


 
my post does yes certainty

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Do you mind explaining to me how bragging about being able to "tear to shreds any new-age gurus video and them look flat out fucking retarded, with complete ease." isn't smug but asking a question is?




it is smug though.. so i don't need to explain, there's nothing to explain.

any other questions? or are we done here..?


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
    #14294641 - 04/15/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Few more

So why is it that you think Lion needs to "check himself"
why do you think you there is any reason to hurt him
Are you just trying to be a confrontational douche


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
    #14294986 - 04/15/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

synapz said:
Quote:

Lion said:
Quote:

synapz said:
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Envix said:
srry jackass :awetongue:



This dumbass is just full of shit.


Don't call me a dumbass for asking a question.  I didn't even claim to have an opinion on the subject.




mate.

ok, i haven't read any of your posts but this single one, but there is a huge smug feel of "I know and you guys do not" that emanates off your post. I mean this is the type of stuff that is SO CLEAR to me. I see it clear as day. So, really, check yourself dude. I don't want to hurt you needlessly. I don't pointlessly attack posts for my own sick little thrill. It's fun I enjoy it lol but I enjoy helping clear up nonsensicalness. I'm a knucklehead but I am sincere.

you claim you don't have an opinion - that's a silly defense of the post, you just noted you did not provide an opinion and rolled with that shit basically lol. but i mean, ok whatever. you know you HAVE an opinion (at least) but like I said, I sense it is a strong certainty in you, that comes from deep conviction. I've been there myself. I know about it very well I took a lot of notes :P

so, please save your clever little responses defending yourself for someone else. I am not interested. Engage me actually, or just bumble about I guess. *shrugs*

either way I mean no disrespect. I am just very "loud" I really cannot help it. If you find what I have to say doesn't work for you or you think I am the one that is full of shit, then block me or just ignore my stupid ass. I'll leave you alone. I don't pick on people that are walking away from me.

finding defenses however is a pointless activity that is only avoidance and denial of the issue on the table.


I'm not going to block you, but I'll certainly ignore your posts if they insult me and don't actually contain any kind of response to the topic.  As to your contention that I am being smug and condescending: what Envix said: simple projection.  I can't even tell which side you think it is I've taken on the matter. :lol:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: synapz]
    #14296174 - 04/15/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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then you're not aware enough to see it.




ur not aware enough bro

gotta be more aware than that!

AWARENESS

NOT ENOUGH

NEED TO BE MORE AWARE!@!! :lol:

awares good man

awares bad man

uhhh where's bad man?


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14296440 - 04/15/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Let me sidestep this. I find Lion's original post very interesting, the questions he is raising.

I think it has a lot to do with our language, particularly the one we are speaking right now. The syntax, definitions, yes, an ancestral history of ideas coded into transmittable form.
Some are outdated, others are newly emerging, metaphors such as the world being a dream, I do think a lot of us, more than we maybe tend to believe, are on the same page here. We are just stuck in cogwheels of words and sentence structure, limiting our ability to effectively communicate some experiential natures of existence.

Dream. Reality. They're set to oppose one another, at least in definition. I try not to forget that this is so. The truth, you see, can only be seen. Try to tell the truth to someone. Chances are it will always be interpreted differently by every person. Look somebody in the eye, and just see. The experience, I find, is quite clear, if even for a split second.

Sometimes I wonder if a world exists where intelligent beings have evolved in a way where they communicate all on a true parallel, by that I mean, that one mind sees the same idea that the other mind is transmitting. Crystal clear transmission, no static. Would a society of species like that wage war on another like we do, or would they rather be more peaceful and understanding.

Maybe that sort of thing only exists in a dream, and maybe it exists right in front of my eyes, but I am not tuned to its frequency, and therefore cannot dream it, but only dream of it.

It could be a lot of things, and it's fun to think about. Ultimate Reality, the waking in waking life. I cannot imagine that to be the end of the rope. The dream goes on, moment to moment. The enlightened state is one of realizing that the whole journey itself is the destination. I think people who are very in tune with this way of viewing the world and are well trained in bypassing the pitfalls of language and its boundaries, are just simply remembering that. Remembering that they remember that they remember, constantly transcending, layer by layer, palms up and accepting that every passing fleeting moment is not worth grasping, but is better just to let it pass by because it will do so anyway. So what's the point? Just enjoy it. Bliss out.


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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #14297660 - 04/15/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I think it has a lot to do with our language, particularly the one we are speaking right now.



opinion with unclear subject matter (think orgy for the mind)

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The syntax, definitions, yes, an ancestral history of ideas coded into transmittable form.




explanation of unclear subject matter to further muddy up unclear subject matter

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Some are outdated, others are newly emerging, metaphors such as the world being a dream, I do think a lot of us, more than we maybe tend to believe, are on the same page here.



here we see him going off into stray thought, fluttering about.

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We are just stuck in cogwheels of words and sentence structure, limiting our ability to effectively communicate some experiential natures of existence.



he is seen here in this example playing teacher, aww *heart*

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Dream. Reality.



Frustration ensues for the little fellow

*cues thunder*

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They're set to oppose one another, at least in definition.



*fixes the little guys tie to really give it that special touch*

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I try not to forget that this is so. The truth, you see, can only be seen.



In this one he is saying blind people are fucked

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Try to tell the truth to someone.



A request or order, that presupposes we lie

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Chances are it will always be interpreted differently by every person.



Here he supports his own conclusion via the slick "chances are" card. he also continues in his apparent mission  to breed that which is not clarity

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Look somebody in the eye, and just see. The experience, I find, is quite clear, if even for a split second.



Here he is making a random request of you... to look someone in the eye and "see" (deconstruction of clarity persists as well)

He also hints that he might might be blind.....

that wouldn't be good given his own theory lol

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Sometimes I wonder if a world exists where intelligent beings have evolved in a way where they communicate all on a true parallel, by that I mean, that one mind sees the same idea that the other mind is transmitting.



the lad wonders to himself, and in so doing blurring the line further like the consistent little engine he is

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Would a society of species like that wage war on another like we do, or would they rather be more peaceful and understanding.



we witness the asking of a deeply profound and prudent question in this

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Maybe that sort of thing only exists in a dream, and maybe it exists right in front of my eyes, but I am not tuned to its frequency, and therefore cannot dream it, but only dream of it.



Here he is putting his thoughts of said question into words

rape of clarity and decent into random nonsensicalness going strong still however, gaining momentum inexplicably

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t could be a lot of things, and it's fun to think about.



Blurred line from random vague subject matter now complete. Permission has been granted to switch subject matter to stray-thought-based hypothetical and subject has accepted. cessation of operation deconstruction of clarity complete.

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Ultimate Reality, the waking in waking life. I cannot imagine that to be the end of the rope. The dream goes on, moment to moment. The enlightened state is one of realizing that the whole journey itself is the destination. I think people who are very in tune with this way of viewing the world and are well trained in bypassing the pitfalls of language and its boundaries, are just simply remembering that. Remembering that they remember that they remember, constantly transcending, layer by layer, palms up and accepting that every passing fleeting moment is not worth grasping, but is better just to let it pass by because it will do so anyway. So what's the point? Just enjoy it. Bliss out.



"the culmination"


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