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Lion
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Your world is a dream.
#14278529 - 04/12/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Spiritually and mystically-inclined people, do you agree with this sentiment? Is this a tenet of your faith, an experience you live through or have lived through, the highest metaphysical truth of this universe, for you? Are you that primordial, infinite Mind, dreaming itself endlessly? Are you Brahma, asleep to Her/His True Nature, diving temporarily into the waters of duality, temporality, and death, in order to experience anew the sweet bliss of coming up for the air of immortality?
Or are you just some guy who posts at the Shroomery?
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14278564 - 04/12/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Life is a bridge, cross it but build no house upon it" I agree life is a dream but I dont think you can walk through walls or anything like that, its like smoke, like foam on the water, it cant be grasped at, there is no goal really, the universe is not going anywhere. Maybe the point is experience or just existence. Its fun to think about this stuff.
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Lion
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Cool thoughts. You can't walk through walls? So it's a dream with rules. Whose rules? Whose dream?
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14278618 - 04/12/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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an Idealist believes all is spirit, materialisim belives there is no spirit only matter, panpsychism says there is both spirit and matter at the same time infused together, they go together like black and white and you cant know one without the other, they are really ONE at the same time. and Idealist may believe all is spirit but I have yet to meet and idealist who can walk through solid objects.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14278763 - 04/12/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cool thoughts. You can't walk through walls? So it's a dream with rules. Whose rules? Whose dream?
When you dream within your own mind it is yours alone, when you dream the collective dream in the shared reality it is every individual souls dream and the laws apply. You can't just walk through a wall because a that wall may be made of stone and that stone is a souls dream form. The external physical reality are the other souls and they are real.
You can't just do whatever your invidual soul wants because your wants are not the wants of your higher soul the oversoul. This dream is the dream of the oversoul, the dream you experience at night is the dream within the dream.
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I've experienced being the "dreamer" who knew exactly what was happening and moved seamlessly with the dream. Normalicy disappeared and dream like qualities took over. Walking ground with glass, rocks, and fallen pine needles on a moonless night and never receiving so much as a scuff. I tried it again a week later in the same location and I couldn't move anywhere without stabbing everything into my feet, let alone romp around for hours on end.
But in the end I'm just some dude posting on the shroomery
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14278998 - 04/12/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lion said: Spiritually and mystically-inclined people, do you agree with this sentiment? Is this a tenet of your faith, an experience you live through or have lived through, the highest metaphysical truth of this universe, for you? Are you that primordial, infinite Mind, dreaming itself endlessly? Are you Brahma, asleep to Her/His True Nature, diving temporarily into the waters of duality, temporality, and death, in order to experience anew the sweet bliss of coming up for the air of immortality?
Or are you just some guy who posts at the Shroomery?
In contemporary Western culture "dream" has the connotations of unreal or meaningless. However, dreams are very real and carry meaning. But for a dream there has to be a dreamer. Yes I believe we (not necessarily the personality) are the dreamer of our reality. What we put energy into is what we get back. IMO, it is a dream with consensus rules, which a greater part of our self agreed to follow. I think we are taking something amazing out of this experience. The experience itself can be amazing. It might all be for the experience. In a a seemingly infinite Universe, the One has the keep itself busy somehow.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14280763 - 04/12/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Think of it this way.
This is its' universe.
We are all connected to what is called I AM. Unlock the secrets within.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Cursive]
#14281513 - 04/12/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm but one mirror in a house of mirrors, which isn't really a house.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14283186 - 04/13/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes definitely, it seems to be so..as long as there is 'you/'me' who casted all these thoughts on reality. It's like.. The 'me' who is seen to be the self, isn't really I, cause I am already seer who sees 'me'. Unseen seer that is.
Edited by HeartAndMind (04/13/11 10:53 AM)
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: I AM SWIM] 1
#14284258 - 04/13/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- smack a hoe out this dimension continue my ascension -bhad bhabie rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Envix] 1
#14284269 - 04/13/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The word "dream" is meaningless if there's no real world for it to be compared to. We only know what "dreams" are by the fact that we've been awake.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: NetDiver]
#14284538 - 04/13/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Indeed, but in this case it's a rough approximation of concepts. Dreams are to the waking world as the waking world is to Ultimate Reality - that is, equally transient and illusory. Just as we know that we dream by experiencing wakefulness, so many mystics claim to have awoken from this world into an even truer reality. I am curious to know what people think about the possible existence of such a reality. I myself would neither affirm nor deny its existence based upon my own experience of being human.
I suppose one could further posit, "Having allegedly awoken to Ultimate Reality, how would one then discern whether that, too, were not a dream?"
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14285098 - 04/13/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lion said: Just as we know that we dream by experiencing wakefulness, so many mystics claim to have awoken from this world into an even truer reality. I am curious to know what people think about the possible existence of such a reality. I myself would neither affirm nor deny its existence based upon my own experience of being human.
The truer reality is like being totally lucid while the body is awake. I myself have seen that happen to me, as it is probably what began your own spiritual walk. But beyond that is completely outside of the entire human ego. Eventually you build up enough "lucidity" that you keep growing in awareness, and you realize there is no limit to what conscious can create, and the only way to continue growing is to constantly be becoming MORE. Eventually you get 'fully' self aware beings that embody and take dominion over the Earth, like Buddha and Jesus.
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Lion said: I suppose one could further posit, "Having allegedly awoken to Ultimate Reality, how would one then discern whether that, too, were not a dream?" 
Because it is like that, having formed an egotistical bound. It's like this saying goes about a man who dug deep inside himself and found a bright shining stream of om, and he was just sitting there. He then decided to cross the stream of flowing light, the river of oneness, and when he did he only found another stream.
The ego puts you in patterns, to distraught your awakening patterns, all that makes you want to become more the human aspects take hold and try so hard to block you from transcending, deepening, and becoming more. You just eventually transcend so much that you see the only way to continue moving forward is to surrender to what Jesus called, our heavenly god.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14285213 - 04/13/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I AM SWIM said:

Pfft.
That is called laminin, and means nothing as a diagram representation. Carbon is also the basis of life and has 6 protons, 6 electrons, and 6 neutrons, so clearly the devil is at work here.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14288357 - 04/14/11 03:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lion said: Dreams are to the waking world as the waking world is to Ultimate Reality - that is, equally transient and illusory.
Indeed, but what is the evidence that the rock outside your house is a transient phenomenon? Every time you go out you see that rock and it looks pretty much the same every time. It disappears when attention goes somewhere else but it's also "always" there, available. It requires mental work to arrive at the conclusion that some day it will have been eroded by rain or other factors. But how does one know in the Now that what is being perceived, the rock for instance, is not eternal? Simply by looking away? When our ancestors were not aware of fossils did they have any way of knowing that some day the animals they were hunting might not exist? All of this IMO is only empirical evidence arranged by logic that only hints at impermanence, even dreams. But to really see that everything is impermanent can one rely on a mental construct, a conclusion? Conclusions have to be brought up from memory, and memory can fail. So how can impermanence be seen as the living reality, every moment? Unless we somehow Know it..
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Tony]
#14288834 - 04/14/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's certainly demonstrable in a concrete way that any object is ultimately as impermanent as the thought-forms of dreams. You could smash that rock into a million bits and let the dust scatter into the wind, if you so chose. That form would never exist again, though its consituent parts would remain part of the earth's cycles - as, I would posit, all dreams remain affect of our mental processes, including the process of further dreaming.
Likewise, the human form in itself is testament to impermanence - it is always changing, and it becomes totally unrecognizable within a matter of days upon its biological death.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Lion]
#14289713 - 04/14/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I guess that would be a kind of a empirically demonstrable impermanence. On the other hand if time is cyclical then every form will also repeat itself infinitely, and therefore even forms are eternal in this regard. However in spiritual terms I think impermanence points at something immediate rather than this kind of derived knowledge. After all the word impermanence implies that there IS something permanent, otherwise there would be nothing to compare it with and the word would be utterly meaningless.
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Re: Your world is a dream. [Re: Tony]
#14289792 - 04/14/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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waking dream: conscious continuity sleeping dream: subconscious spontaneity
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