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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: ThirdEyeVision]
    #14274101 - 04/11/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Stones are more fun anyway. PF cakes can be fruited, I posted a thread called something like "ATL on BRF", and other people have fruited the cakes too.
If you do get fruits you can make prints and trade for GT or anything else you want.


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: ThirdEyeVision]
    #14274138 - 04/11/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Could it be cloned by wiping stone with alcohol, sticking 18g syringe through to get a piece stuck in needle then shooting into LC jar?


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: ThirdEyeVision]
    #14274195 - 04/11/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe. I've never successfully cloned to LC, though I know people do.
A pack of agar costs $1.69, go that route.


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14274203 - 04/11/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Stones are more fun anyway. PF cakes can be fruited, I posted a thread called something like "ATL on BRF", and other people have fruited the cakes too.
If you do get fruits you can make prints and trade for GT or anything else you want.




Thank you, I found your thread. The inside of your stones look dead on like this one. His cakes are cracking out from the inside as well but have a nice fluffy white myc on the outside. Are the fruit always that small? Hopefully some will form so a print can be taken for identification purposes.


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14274207 - 04/11/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe. I've never successfully cloned to LC, though I know people do.
A pack of agar costs $1.69, go that route.




He has a jar of LC sitting there and no dishes or agar so I'll cross my fingers for him.


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: ThirdEyeVision]
    #14274223 - 04/11/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The mushrooms are pretty small, but the sclerotia go a long way towards an ID, it's gotta be one of a few species.


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14274927 - 04/11/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They can be dried with no problem or loss of potency, right? Dried are they equivalent with a mushroom?

So can a cubensis form sclerotia or is it 100% with out a doubt the wrong spores?


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: ThirdEyeVision]
    #14274974 - 04/11/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If they are sclerotia, tell your friend to let em grow for a long time. They become more potent over time I have read.


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Divinity]
    #14275095 - 04/11/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's a different species for sure. Dried, use about 1.5g to equal one gram of dry cubes.
Check the Sclerotia FAQ for lots more info.


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14275237 - 04/11/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

StoneSun states that these following species/strains produce sclerotia...

Psilocybe galindoi/ATL#7
   
Psilocybe mexicana/A
   
Psilocybe tampanensis/Pollock
   
Psilocybe mexicana/Jalisco

What you have is likely one of the above.

You should be able to clone them no problem, even after they are dried and rehydrated.

Next time let them go a while longer as they get much larger that what you are showing here.  You can let them go 6 months +.

RR calls them the cadillac compared to the cubensis geo.

You lucked out man, good mistake IMO....


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: fbi365]
    #14277541 - 04/12/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Should the stone have bruised when cut? This picture was taken roughly 12 hours after cut.



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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: ThirdEyeVision]
    #14277718 - 04/12/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There's no doubt those are stones but I have some questions.. Does the myc look grey and fluffy and smell different from other p. Cubensis myc that you have smelled before? If you are familiar with the smell of healthy cubensis myc you would be made aware of the difference right away

Fruit it, just like you would cubes
Growing stones is easy.. Fruiting those species is hard (and then when you're done you have stones)
If you get cubes I want some spores lol


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Wimy]
    #14277836 - 04/12/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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There's no doubt those are stones but I have some questions.. Does the myc look grey and fluffy and smell different from other p. Cubensis myc that you have smelled before? If you are familiar with the smell of healthy cubensis myc you would be made aware of the difference right away

Fruit it, just like you would cubes
Growing stones is easy.. Fruiting those species is hard (and then when you're done you have stones)
If you get cubes I want some spores lol




Not familiar with the smell, sorry.
The myc is white as seen in this photo. It appears to be knotting, right? Maybe the mystery can be solved with a mushroom :smile: The picture doesn't really show the lighter myc covering the sub but he said it is pretty well covered. It's been almost a month and about a week in fruiting he said. You can see some stones breaking through even in these pics...

Do you know if the stones should have bruised?




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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: ThirdEyeVision]
    #14278095 - 04/12/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Will you please stop fretting?


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    #14278402 - 04/12/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Will you please stop fretting?




Damn, stop fretting? :shrug:


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: ThirdEyeVision]
    #14278420 - 04/12/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's sclerotia. Some bruise, some don't.
You wanted chickens, you got ducklings. That's fine. Ducklings are cooler anyway.

Looks like ATL 7 to me, but there's no way to be sure without fruits.


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14278591 - 04/12/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It's sclerotia. Some bruise, some don't.
You wanted chickens, you got ducklings. That's fine. Ducklings are cooler anyway.

Looks like ATL 7 to me, but there's no way to be sure without fruits.




Not fretting, my friends just new to the hobby and got tossed a curve ball in his first game. Someone said their stones bruised so I first searched to see if they typically do bruise but I couldn't find an answer either within the forum or via google. So I asked here, I'd hate to give him bad advise then have him eat it and it's something completely different. You know?

No worries though. He's hoping for fruit for a positive ID. I really do appreciate all the advice  :awesomenod:  At some point every "expert" was an apprentice.


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: ThirdEyeVision]
    #14280013 - 04/12/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Looks spot on for tampeninsis also
The fruits will tell. Big stones will bruise some times.

I've had healthy myc grow off of old dry stones they are like little mushrooms seeds.
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Wimy]
    #14296775 - 04/15/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just a little update on the clone he tried to make by piercing a stone with needle and shooting load into LC.

It looks like it's growing. We'll see, it's been about 3 days now.


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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: ThirdEyeVision]
    #14312953 - 04/18/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I made to Grow Logs for my buddy. One for an attempt at fruiting in a bag and one for the clone.

Straight to LC Clone

Straight To Bag


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