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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14279452 - 04/12/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The only thing I ever end my trips with is good old fashioned time. Taking a dose of an entheogen is a commitment, aborting trips with other drugs is sacrilege.



Even if it scars you for life or gets you arrested?




Absolutely, those are the kind of things you should consider before you make the commitment.


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: muistrue]
    #14279511 - 04/12/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Im always willing to mush but would rather not fall prey to things beyond my control. If a situation comes up where I have to be sober or need to sober up one of my friends rather than one of our lives be destroyed or experience major setbacks I would much rather be prepared than screwed.

Don't get me wrong, I love psychs and have great respect for their power; I just cant let anybody suffer for their open minded love of it or have trauma exacerbated by such a powerful tool. If they want to try it I say let them, the more people who realize the ineffable beauty the better, however, if its not for them and they only realize after delving in and giving it a try I cant stand by and let the mistake destroy them. thats just my .02 though, take it as you will


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14301321 - 04/16/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

vitamin B3 (niacin (nicotinic acid), niacinamide, inositol haxanicotinate) can sorta "turn down the volume" from 11 down to 2...
ymmv...


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14301438 - 04/16/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Get a script for Valium it's pretty good. I always have it around for it a trip gets real bad. You know, that sort of bad where you contemplate calling an ambulance :hehehe:

Just take 4mg and lie on your back and focus on your breathing, no matter how bad your trip was/is you'll start to :feelsgoodman: you might even get to sleep.

Of course I agree with that other dude though - only do this is as a last resort. Buy the ticket, take the ride.


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Dawks]
    #14301456 - 04/16/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Buy the ticket, take the ride.




Haha ha.


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: gnrm23]
    #14301646 - 04/16/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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gnrm23 said:
vitamin B3 (niacin (nicotinic acid), niacinamide, inositol haxanicotinate) can sorta "turn down the volume" from 11 down to 2...
ymmv...




interesting, thats enough to end the horror Im assuming.

I just realized I had a script for lorazepam that I got a month or two ago; wonder if that would work. I have also been using something recently called L-tyrosine which has decent anxiolytic effect, I wonder if that would do anything or even be safe, Ill have to look into that. Im gonna do some experimentation and post back on how it goes. Glad this thread came back as its something that interests me very much.


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14302334 - 04/16/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

A Xanax around wouldn't be a bad idea I'd use it as a "panic button" luckily me or my friends haven't had to use it. I'm nervous about mixing chemicals like that I'm not much of a pill guy. We have it as a last resort.


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14302467 - 04/16/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wise Toad said:
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gnrm23 said:
vitamin B3 (niacin (nicotinic acid), niacinamide, inositol haxanicotinate) can sorta "turn down the volume" from 11 down to 2...
ymmv...




interesting, thats enough to end the horror Im assuming.

I just realized I had a script for lorazepam that I got a month or two ago; wonder if that would work. I have also been using something recently called L-tyrosine which has decent anxiolytic effect, I wonder if that would do anything or even be safe, Ill have to look into that. Im gonna do some experimentation and post back on how it goes. Glad this thread came back as its something that interests me very much.





Lorazepam would definitely work, but it's not very strong.  Would probably need to take ~2mg to have any sort of anxiolytic effect.  I don't see how L-tyrosine could possibly help, as it's converted into epinephrine and norepinephrine which are the primary neurotransmitters involved in anxiety.


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: BothHands]
    #14303213 - 04/16/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

suprised thorazine hasnt come up yet, got half a bottle in my freezer, hasnt ever come down to it though.

I've had some pretty hard trips, and never thought I should abort them, however is someone else goes whacko tripping in my apartment, this is where the thorazine comes in.


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: GaneshNoIgnorance]
    #14303278 - 04/16/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'd never end a trip, even if it was terrible. Although I only heroic dose at my house and pretty keep moderation going at any festival or party (besides the boooooooooooooze  :redstripe: )


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: GaneshNoIgnorance]
    #14303281 - 04/16/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Another good drug, yet, I still haven't seen a legal one that is capable


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14303391 - 04/16/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LSD by Otto Snow said:
Niacin (NADH-dependent enzyme)
"One of the metabolites of LSD in the human body is 2-oxy-lsd.
It is formed by liver microsomes by an NADH-dependent enzyme,"
Nicholas J. Giarman (1967). ref. (Axelrod 1957; Hoffer 1955)
Use of nicotinic acid (niacin, B3) to abort psychosis - "We have
given the subject 100 ug. of LSD; at the height of the experience we
injected intravenously 200 mg. of nicotinic acid. Our experience has
been that, within a matter of two to five minutes, almost all of the LSD
phenomena disappeared, and the subject claimed that he was entirely
normal," Abraham Hoffer (1956)



It was injected, but this seems to serve as proof that niacin is indeed effective.


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: doses]
    #14303655 - 04/16/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks doses; I happen to have some niacin sitting in my cabinet. I can see the injection was to decrease time between use of niacin and decrease of psychedelic effects to prove definitively that niacin was indeed the cause for the lapse in trip as opposed to time.

Reading this has brought up some great questions, I wonder how long this will take to work. Perhaps I will grind up some of these pills and get one of my friends to try snorting it in return for free dr00gz.


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: BothHands]
    #14304430 - 04/17/11 01:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Lorazepam would definitely work, but it's not very strong.  Would probably need to take ~2mg to have any sort of anxiolytic effect.  I don't see how L-tyrosine could possibly help, as it's converted into epinephrine and norepinephrine which are the primary neurotransmitters involved in anxiety.



Wow, overlooked this reply; Im glad lorazepam will work thats the second drug I already posses that will function as I desire. Tyrosine is a phenylalanine which, in addition to adrenaline, produces dopamine; its very often used as an antidepressant, analgesic, and anxiolytic. I say this with such certainty via subjective experience. A little while ago I was suffering from IBS and had to find my own treatments as my doctors were more hopeless than I was. The cause turned out to be intestinal parasites, so it goes. In addition to feeding off of the hosts energy parasites produce waste which is taken into the bloodstream, from there it enters the brain and causes problems expressed as moderate to severe anxiety. Before I got around to flushing the pricks out I used tyrosine to boost my energy and alleviate paranoia. I never tripped however due to the persistent abdominal pain so I have no experience combining tyrosine with tryptamine based drugs. My biggest fear is that the two will conflict, hmm:confused2:, seeing as how its not a SSRI i think Ill be okay; good reason to use low doses and maybe even a guinea pig of some sort


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14305235 - 04/17/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

bad trips happen for a reason.

you are destroying valuable experiences through your sheltering of others' minds.


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: k00laid]
    #14305298 - 04/17/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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k00laid said:
bad trips happen for a reason.

you are destroying valuable experiences through your sheltering of others' minds.



Except when the reason is just that you took way too fucking much. Or an unfortunate and unexpected change in set or setting. Otherwise, I generally agree.


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14305633 - 04/17/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wise Toad said:
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BothHands said:
Lorazepam would definitely work, but it's not very strong.  Would probably need to take ~2mg to have any sort of anxiolytic effect.  I don't see how L-tyrosine could possibly help, as it's converted into epinephrine and norepinephrine which are the primary neurotransmitters involved in anxiety.



Wow, overlooked this reply; Im glad lorazepam will work thats the second drug I already posses that will function as I desire. Tyrosine is a phenylalanine which, in addition to adrenaline, produces dopamine; its very often used as an antidepressant, analgesic, and anxiolytic. I say this with such certainty via subjective experience. A little while ago I was suffering from IBS and had to find my own treatments as my doctors were more hopeless than I was. The cause turned out to be intestinal parasites, so it goes. In addition to feeding off of the hosts energy parasites produce waste which is taken into the bloodstream, from there it enters the brain and causes problems expressed as moderate to severe anxiety. Before I got around to flushing the pricks out I used tyrosine to boost my energy and alleviate paranoia. I never tripped however due to the persistent abdominal pain so I have no experience combining tyrosine with tryptamine based drugs. My biggest fear is that the two will conflict, hmm:confused2:, seeing as how its not a SSRI i think Ill be okay; good reason to use low doses and maybe even a guinea pig of some sort




Right, I use L-tyrosine too.  I use 250mg with 50mg B6 and 500mg vitamin C.  I usually only use it on the mornings I have tests though, because although it really helps me concentrate, it also makes me jittery and anxious.  I suppose dopamine could have an anxiolytic effect, but will it outweigh the anxiety inducing effects of the two adrenal metabolites?  For me, that's definitely no the case.  But we're all different, so who knows.  I still very much doubt it would be enough to turn a trip around though.


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