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Wise Toad


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Anything legal capable of ending trips
#14277649 - 04/12/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looking into every aspect of drugs I would like to find something capable of ending a trip which I can easily get my hands on; something that is legal, as opposed to ambien(which would put one to sleep which is better than having them scream their head off and put me in danger of having to explain what the fuck is going on/where the drugs came from) or barbituates.
Im not saying that Im inexperienced or that I plan to give out drugs to people who cant handle them but if something ever does go wrong I would like to be prepared. One bad experience could ruin psychedelics for a newb/I don't want to have another bad trip, Iv only had one which was about a year ago but it was most definitely unpleasant. Any thoughts, Im curious
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
#14277677 - 04/12/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sure, you can still easily purchase Phenazepam online. It's a benzodiazepine like Valium or Xanax but is legal to purchase without prescription. I used to buy it on ebay, but not sure if they still offer it.
Shit, even Benadryl [diphenhydramine] will make you sleepy and tired, and that is 100% OTC.
EDIT: IF you DO decide to purchase Phenazepam, make sure you understand how low the dosage requirements are, maybe even pre-measure doses BEFORE you are tripping. It doesn't take much at ALL.
READ UP First.
Edited by Dave Bowman (04/12/11 12:18 PM)
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Wise Toad


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Dave Bowman]
#14277783 - 04/12/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for both the drug and the warning . I have a milligram scale, I hope that will work out. dosages will be measured to .5mg
This is all if I can find a good source anyway. Looking around it seems rather hard to discern which sites are legit
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Dave Bowman]
#14277788 - 04/12/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Phenazepam, sounds risky. I read that valium helps, but I have no experience with either.
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Any benzo helps a lot. Lots of people have scripts, I'm sure you could just ask them for a few to hold on to in case of an emergency. I have a script for lorazepam and I've used it successfully to end a really bad panic attack during a trip.
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
#14277841 - 04/12/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I strongly, strongly recommend against getting phenazepam. The stuff doesn't make you feel like you're under the effect of a drug like xanax or valium will. So you don't think you took enough, and take more. You still don't feel high, but you are extremely altered at this point. So you take even more, and before you know it, you've lost 2 weeks of your life, and have no idea what happened.
If you do decide to get phenazepam, measure out one dose, and then give the rest to someone else to hold onto. Instruct them not to give you any more for the next day or two.
I bought 100mg and lost 9 days of my life, spent another 8 days that I remember in the psyche ward, and wound up with 300+ stitches, as well as muscle and nerve damage.
Be extremely fucking careful.
It's also terrible for anxiety. Doesn't touch you anxiety, only your memory and judgement.
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Wise Toad


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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#14277865 - 04/12/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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@ BH: remember that this is only about killing trips, I have no intention of getting messed up on this stuff.
@ MT: Iv asked around and know noone with Rx's. Risky to order or to use?
I think with such an accurate scale and aiming for such low, premeasured doses which will be kept in capsules there will be little chance of problems. Im sure there are other drugs out there that will work effectively to kill a trip, if you know of any that are safer/easier to get it would be appreciated
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
#14277964 - 04/12/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, since it only affects your memory and judgment in reasonable doses, it won't kill a trip.
I never had any intention of getting messed up either. I don't find benzos to be euphoric or fun. I took it purely for anxiety. It was a very rough time in my life, and phenazepam only made it rougher.
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: BothHands]
#14278043 - 04/12/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hmm, I was assuming that it would cancel trips by the mere fact that its a benzo. Im not clear on what the mechanism is.
Going back to what synthettek said Im not sure if benadryl would work to quickly put one to sleep during a trip, that will be easy to experiment with so I will try it when I have time if no better drugs present themselves
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
#14278055 - 04/12/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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xanax helps alot expecally during acid trips
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
#14278071 - 04/12/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, there are several GABA sub receptors that benzos work on. Some are more potent agonists of the anxiety subtypes, some are more potent agonists of the hypnotic subtypes, some are more potent on the anticonvulsant subtypes, and some are more potent on the muscle relaxant subtypes, some are more potent on the memory subtypes, and some are more potent on the coordination subtypes. Most benzos target all the subtypes, but most have preference for some over others.
Ambien, for example (although not technically a benzo, it works exactly as a benzo on the benzo receptors) is very weak at most the subtypes except for the 1a which is the hypnotic subtype. This is why it makes you feel so much more intoxicated and sleepy, even though it's a good 10x weaker than xanax.
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: BothHands]
#14278528 - 04/12/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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In your experience, what would you assume phenazepam work on, any anxiolytic properties. If you have any memory of the experience
I was talking to a friend the other day about his ambien experience; he woke up with a big gash on his face with no memory of the incedent, he later spoke with some friends who agreed that he was saying some crazy shit while on it
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
#14278608 - 04/12/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I love to have valium around when I can get it... but i'm not big into pills and therefor don't see it often. Honestly a couple shots of some vodka will relax me enough to get me through the wildest of trips- although it won't actually end a trip. It takes away most of the anxiety the same was a benzo would though... and can definatly help in a panic situation.
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
#14278641 - 04/12/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The only thing I ever end my trips with is good old fashioned time. Taking a dose of an entheogen is a commitment, aborting trips with other drugs is sacrilege.
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
#14278953 - 04/12/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wise Toad said: In your experience, what would you assume phenazepam work on, any anxiolytic properties. If you have any memory of the experience
I was talking to a friend the other day about his ambien experience; he woke up with a big gash on his face with no memory of the incident, he later spoke with some friends who agreed that he was saying some crazy shit while on it
In my experience, phenazepam has virtually no anxiolytic properties. Not before obscene doses that'll put out of it for days. It's mostly memory and judgment that are effected. But you don't know your memory is shot until after you come down and don't remember anything, so you have no idea you're even under the influence. Same goes for judgment. Apparently I was very uncoordinated in the middle of the OD, but I don't remember that at all.
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: muistrue]
#14279001 - 04/12/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sounds interesting, Iv always been interested in those sort of Fear and Loathing type wakeups; wondering what the hell happened the last few days and why your in the back of a pickup truck three states away with a bunch of hippies. If I had all the time in the world I might do a few doses just to see where Id end up.
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FractalDust said: The only thing I ever end my trips with is good old fashioned time. Taking a dose of an entheogen is a commitment, aborting trips with other drugs is sacrilege.
Even if it scars you for life or gets you arrested?
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
#14279011 - 04/12/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think that's a good idea. You don't know you're intoxicated, so you drive to the store, go to classes, and everything.
I was lucky, and only made it to the psyche ward. But you don't want to end up in jail.
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: BothHands]
#14279060 - 04/12/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol she is actually right, i came to in the ER dancing infront of nurses. the last thing i remember is playing guitar
there was a circle around me and i was in a hospital gown
i basically just stared at the ground in embarrassment
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Wise Toad


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 Spiking people with this would be hilarious if it didn't threaten to destroy their lives. Imagine an entire school on this
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Re: Anything legal capable of ending trips [Re: Wise Toad]
#14279446 - 04/12/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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FractalDust said: The only thing I ever end my trips with is good old fashioned time. Taking a dose of an entheogen is a commitment, aborting trips with other drugs is sacrilege.

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Wise Toad said: Even if it scars you for life or gets you arrested?
Yup!
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