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Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says
    #14277604 - 04/12/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

http://westernfrontonline.net/opinion/17-opinion/13288-guest-column-marijuana-is-not-a-miracle-drug-physician-says

It was 1978 and I was a third-year medical student when my friend was dying of metastatic breast cancer. I simmered marijuana in a small amount of water to soften it, and then combined it with melted butter.  That mixture was chilled until it was solid, and I molded multiple bullet-size suppositories that were kept in the freezer until needed for rectal administration for her nausea from chemotherapy.

My actions, though compassionate, were also illegal, and if my medical school had found out I was acting as an apothecary, preparing an illicit drug for use for a non-FDA approved indication, I could have lost my student standing and future profession. Subsequent studies have confirmed the efficacy of marijuana in various forms for nausea from HIV and chemo, muscle spasm from multiple sclerosis and spinal cord injury, some types of chronic pain, and glaucoma, but have never been prescribed by the medical community as a first line drug for any of those conditions.

Yet, if you believe medical marijuana proponents, cannabis can treat almost any condition from anxiety to insomnia to sinusitis to asthma to arthritis to headaches to premenstrual syndrome.  If you are simply alive, there is a good chance you have at least one symptom that warrants a medical marijuana card. We are bringing the growers and dealers out of the shadows — not a bad thing if we can all agree that a staggering percentage of the population suffers symptoms worthy of being medicated with a mood altering substance proven to cause dependency, not to mention a host of psychiatric problems in vulnerable individuals.

Patients who have antipathy for the pharmaceutical industry or for government agencies responsible for studies of drug safety and effectiveness seem to lose their skepticism when confronting the for-profit motivation of marijuana growers, brokers and storefront sellers. These patients prefer to trust a physician willing to pocket $150 cash for a 10-minute assessment of symptoms in exchange for a signature on a medical marijuana card.

Healthy college students have asked me if I would prescribe medical marijuana for their stress-related daily headaches or back pain. They are willing to use a substance that has no quality standards in production, distribution or dosing and has well-studied adverse effects on memory, focus and reaction time. All this defies logic, especially in a college student who needs every neuron at the ready to absorb, retain and process complex information, something marijuana has proven ability to impair.

Marijuana still ruins lives, not just because of dangerous side effects, fatal overdoses or instigation of violent behavior. In its 21st century, ultra-high-concentrated version, far more potent than the weed of 40 years ago, it is simple anesthesia. In a young person who uses regularly, it can mean more than temporarily numbing the unpleasantness of everyday hassles. They don’t experience life in its full emotional range from joy to sadness, learn the sensitivity of becoming vulnerable, the lessons of experiencing discomfort and coping, and the healing balm of a resilient spirit. Instead, it is all about avoidance.

Benumbed, blunted, and stunted.  I’m sure this must be yet another indication for the prescription of medical marijuana.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14277642 - 04/12/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, its much better for them to drink legal things like alcohol, or take their ADD medication like it has no longer term effects on their neural health. Oh and coffee? Pfft, thats like WD-40 for your nervous system. Helps keep it primed with the amounts the average American takes in. :rolleyes:


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14277664 - 04/12/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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In its 21st century, ultra-high-concentrated version, far more potent than the weed of 40 years ago, it is simple anesthesia.




Hey dumbass, if you have more potent marijuana, you don't smoke the same amount as lower potency marijuana. You might take one or two hits off the bowl instead of five or six. :facepalm: Stop the propaganda! :mob:


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: destructo_low]
    #14277684 - 04/12/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The guy has a point about not becoming so addicted to something that you let it run your life.  That can be applied to anything really... such as bungie jumping.  All of it has inherent risk and all of it relates to people needing to be distracted or chasing a 'high'.  Why ban something and cause all the murder and strife going on?  Most of the things people chase to get away from it all have inherent dangers in them and should not be used to replace unhappiness with happiness.  They should ideally be used to enhance a life already going great, but how can anybody expect after Wall Street and the bankers have robbed most of the country for people not to want to forget about things for awhile.  This guy needs to wake up and see how bad it really is out there.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: doeboy99]
    #14277739 - 04/12/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well even if he dont wake up and see its out there.. ITS STILL OUT THERE. no matter how many people turn a blind eye to it.. its floating all around you.. from that weird dude next store to that 45 year old lady its there weither you like it or not..


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: destructo_low]
    #14277797 - 04/12/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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In its 21st century, ultra-high-concentrated version, far more potent than the weed of 40 years ago, it is simple anesthesia.




Hey dumbass, if you have more potent marijuana, you don't smoke the same amount as lower potency marijuana. You might take one or two hits off the bowl instead of five or six. :facepalm: Stop the propaganda! :mob:




weed isn't more potent today than it was back then. even if it was, higher thc content doesn't mean greater harm no matter how much you smoke.

"The notion that pot has increased dramatically in potency is a DEA myth based on biased government data, as shown in a recent NORML report by Dr. John Morgan.1 Samples of pot from the early '70s came from stale, low-potency Mexican "kilobricks" left in police lockers, whose potency had deteriorated to sub-smokable levels of less than 0.5%. These were compared to later samples of decent-quality domestic marijuana, making it appear that potency had skyrocketed"
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3475#11

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Oh and coffee? Pfft, thats like WD-40 for your nervous system. Helps keep it primed with the amounts the average American takes in. :rolleyes:




actually coffee is very healthy for you, especially the brain

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ygreen/20110124/sc_ygreen/eightreasonstodrinkcoffee_1


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: destructo_low]
    #14277810 - 04/12/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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. :facepalm: Stop the propaganda! :mob:





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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: Synocybin]
    #14277835 - 04/12/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Alcohol still ruins lives, not just because of dangerous side effects, fatal overdoses or instigation of violent behavior


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14277904 - 04/12/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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destructo_low said:
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In its 21st century, ultra-high-concentrated version, far more potent than the weed of 40 years ago, it is simple anesthesia.




Hey dumbass, if you have more potent marijuana, you don't smoke the same amount as lower potency marijuana. You might take one or two hits off the bowl instead of five or six. :facepalm: Stop the propaganda! :mob:




weed isn't more potent today than it was back then. even if it was, higher thc content doesn't mean greater harm no matter how much you smoke.

"The notion that pot has increased dramatically in potency is a DEA myth based on biased government data, as shown in a recent NORML report by Dr. John Morgan.1 Samples of pot from the early '70s came from stale, low-potency Mexican "kilobricks" left in police lockers, whose potency had deteriorated to sub-smokable levels of less than 0.5%. These were compared to later samples of decent-quality domestic marijuana, making it appear that potency had skyrocketed"
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3475#11

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Oh and coffee? Pfft, thats like WD-40 for your nervous system. Helps keep it primed with the amounts the average American takes in. :rolleyes:




actually coffee is very healthy for you, especially the brain

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ygreen/20110124/sc_ygreen/eightreasonstodrinkcoffee_1



I know this, but caffiene isn't in high doses. Fact.

Coffee has many good things for you, but if you're taking large amounts of caffeine, it isn't good for you. Technically, wine and having one beer a day is good for you too. Difference between medicine and poison is dose and use.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14278029 - 04/12/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They need to take this guys license away for being a lying hypocrite. Its amazing that zombie doctors will still fall back on extremely biased government funded studies from the "reefer madness" era.

Might be fooling the brainwashed masses, but they're not fooling me or my many dealers. Thanks for pitching in your chips on the corporate block, you're officially just another prick with no balls.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: ahchela]
    #14278087 - 04/12/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Asking doctors about medication is like asking a mechanic about the physics of the internal combustion engine.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14278108 - 04/12/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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...it is simple anesthesia. In a young person who uses regularly, it can mean more than temporarily numbing the unpleasantness of everyday hassles. They don’t experience life in its full emotional range from joy to sadness, learn the sensitivity of becoming vulnerable, the lessons of experiencing discomfort and coping, and the healing balm of a resilient spirit. Instead, it is all about avoidance.

Benumbed, blunted, and stunted.  I’m sure this must be yet another indication for the prescription of medical marijuana.



I can definately see the point in this part. I mean sure weed is nice and all, but I've really started to think I could live a fuller life without it. I'm not trying to tell anyone else what to do though.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: ahchela]
    #14278200 - 04/12/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I know this, but caffiene isn't in high doses. Fact.

Coffee has many good things for you, but if you're taking large amounts of caffeine, it isn't good for you. Technically, wine and having one beer a day is good for you too. Difference between medicine and poison is dose and use.




of course to much of anything is bad. but 2 cups which the average american drinks is fine. and even 3-5 cups a day is ok unless you have something like heart problems.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: TTT]
    #14278714 - 04/12/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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TTT said:
Oh and coffee? Pfft, thats like WD-40 for your nervous system. Helps keep it primed with the amounts the average American takes in. :rolleyes:





Man, way to squander an awesome poop joke there , Triple T! :rolleyes:


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: Jon_Doe]
    #14279229 - 04/12/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I hate when people say that an inanimate object ruins lives.

It doesn't. It can't. No inanimate object has ever ruined a life. It doesn't have the ability to do that.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: Diacetylmentlegen]
    #14279413 - 04/12/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14279434 - 04/12/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14279603 - 04/12/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

As a casual smoker I can say that I have never experienced any negative side effects from smoking weed.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: user1837483975]
    #14279642 - 04/12/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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As a casual smoker I can say that I have never experienced any negative side effects from smoking weed.




i almost died smoking weed once...

coughin my ass off at how good it was. :yesnod:

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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: Synocybin]
    #14279757 - 04/12/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i can tell u it werks better then the percacet i was perscribed and boy did they have side effects


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14280235 - 04/12/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

even worse my friend, SHE,(not that sex matters but someone referred to the quack in question as a dude) is a teacher of doctors! they start the kids off so young. the western front is just a student paper. this is from the about us page on the same site as the article:

The Western Front is published twice weekly in the fall, winter, and spring quarters and once a week in the summer session. The Western Front is the official newspaper of Western Washington University, published by the Student Publications Council and is mainly supported by advertising. Opinions and stories in the newspaper have no connection with advertising. News content is determined by student editors. Staff reporters are enrolled in a course in the department of journalism, but any student enrolled at Western may offer stories to the editors. Advertising inquiries should be directed to the business office in CF 230 or by phone at 360-650-3160. Members of the Western community are entitled to a single free copy of each issue of The Western Front.

i'm pretty sure the kids we're just kissing her ass inviting her to write an op-ed piece dressed as fact. if cannabis causes fatal overdoses then why the hell is willie nelson still alive?


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14280264 - 04/12/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Fatal overdoses"?? Oh please.....


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14280345 - 04/12/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If people listen to folks like this, I guess more people will have to know what it feels like to have your door kicked down at 5 am, get ziptied handcuffed while in the nude. All while one guy is pointing a submachinegun in your face and another guy is behaving in a threatening manner towards your pet. Good show.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14280527 - 04/12/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah...*cough cough* and alcohol is so much better :shocked:


Edited by sandi (05/22/11 07:40 AM)


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: sandi]
    #14280848 - 04/12/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

in the comments section she said she meant not because instead of not just because.

but she still doesn't say how it ruins lives


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14281629 - 04/13/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So the OP's friend, the one who was dying of cancer that got the cannabis extract...

did this person actually end up dying of cancer? Or did he live?


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: Magick]
    #14281644 - 04/13/11 12:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

just cuz someone wrote it down makes it true? damn you must be soo gullable.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14281706 - 04/13/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Marijuana still ruins lives, not just because of dangerous side effects, fatal overdoses or instigation of violent behavior.




i get it he must of misspelled alcohol with marijuana


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: willyjones7]
    #14282733 - 04/13/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is this what this forum has come to? A bunch of fools so blinded by their beliefs that they can't comprehend anything outside of them? The man is saying that college students with backaches and minor pains shouldn't be prescribed marijuana. Sure they should be allowed to smoke it without hassle from the government, but when an article like this comes up, it amazes me at the amount of antipathy and fallacies in the responses to this article! We are acting like this man suggested we execute all drug offenders when he merely stated that marijuana is not a miracle drug. I take pride in my belief systems, as well as my ability to argue with logic for the legalization of drugs, but I feel that we may becoming so enamored by our crusade that we are becoming as illogical and irrational as the prohibitionists.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: DarkCubensis]
    #14283056 - 04/13/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Marijuana still ruins lives, not just because of dangerous side effects, fatal overdoses or instigation of violent behavior.




You would have to be the most naive dumb mother fucker to believe this shit. How did this bitch make it through medical school? No one in thousands of years of human history of smoking and ingesting thc and marijuana has ever fatally overdosed, let alone been caused to get violent. Is this a joke? Marijuana does not kill brain cells or cause memory loss. Go back to medical school you dumb bitch.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: Bom_Tombadil]
    #14283109 - 04/13/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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in the comments section she said she meant not because instead of not just because.

but she still doesn't say how it ruins lives




When corrected, it reads, "Marijuana still ruins lives, not because of dangerous side effects, fatal overdoses or instigation of violent behavior".


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: destructo_low]
    #14283218 - 04/13/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The only reason it CAN ruin lives in an objective sense is because it's illegal, and having a criminal record screws you out of a lot of job and education opportunities.

Otherwise that, however, marijuana is probably more benign than most of the food people eat.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14283319 - 04/13/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I can't take anything you say seriously after you tell my you made your chemo-friend take pot butter as a suppository.

WTF????


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: blujay]
    #14283381 - 04/13/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I can't take anything you say seriously after you tell my you made your chemo-friend take pot butter as a suppository.

WTF????




He may have been too nauseous to keep it down orally, and he didn't want his friend to smoke it because of the tar, ect...


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: CopperCreek]
    #14285425 - 04/13/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14285585 - 04/13/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe if the physician wasn't inserting it into his ass, and smoking it instead, he'd change his opinions?


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: DarkCubensis]
    #14285812 - 04/13/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Is this what this forum has come to? A bunch of fools so blinded by their beliefs that they can't comprehend anything outside of them? The man is saying that college students with backaches and minor pains shouldn't be prescribed marijuana. Sure they should be allowed to smoke it without hassle from the government, but when an article like this comes up, it amazes me at the amount of antipathy and fallacies in the responses to this article! We are acting like this man suggested we execute all drug offenders when he merely stated that marijuana is not a miracle drug. I take pride in my belief systems, as well as my ability to argue with logic for the legalization of drugs, but I feel that we may becoming so enamored by our crusade that we are becoming as illogical and irrational as the prohibitionists.




Sounds like you could use some pot to clear your head up.
The article is too severely flawed to take seriously, how can one argue against voluntary ignorance?

Give me a reason why harmless marijuana shouldn't be applied to minor aches and pains? It works for the purpose, so why should we use potentially dangerous pharms to do what marijuana can do with no risk?

Prohibitionist propoganda doesn't need any help, there are plenty enough already who take articles like this as the word of
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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: ahchela]
    #14285987 - 04/13/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ahchela said:
It works for the purpose, [so] why should we use potentially dangerous pharms to do what marijuana can do with no risk?




This is my general contention, as well.
Doctors let people self-prescribe with Advil (Ibuprofen) all the time, and that is a LOT more toxic to one's system. Using marijuana for minor but, at the same time, reoccurring pain is almost perfect - one can use it frequently with very little toxic effects on the body. Use an OTC pain med like Advil at the same frequency of even smoked marijuana and marijuana will still have less overall physical side-effects, if any.


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Re: Guest Column: Marijuana is not a miracle drug, physician says [Re: Remix]
    #14286132 - 04/13/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Use an OTC pain med like Advil at the same frequency of even smoked marijuana and marijuana will still have less overall physical side-effects, if any.




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