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Freetalk - LSD bits and pieces, Astral experience
    #14272556 - 04/11/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Welcome!


Sooooooo... I can try how hard I want, but I dont know how to start I must admit it :X I have vast psychedelic experiences, some of them were like blessing, very few were like The Test - is "the best you can do" enough to keep you alive and sane before the trip ends? :smile:

I have to remark one think. I met many people who experimented with LSD or psychedelics. The people were very various, some were spiritually very far, some were like newborns (no diss). VERY BIG part of em took LSD like a recreational drug, to get high and smile. Without respect and thinking about it deeper. Getting anything better from LSD than "get high and smile" to this kind of users - is a mere luck, but happens:)

Usually they will just tie you down during the trip. They will discourage you, they will let you know that "this is impossible" even before you try it. They will ask you: why go to the forrest while here is a nice narrow concrete road? :smile:


I - in no way - am such a user.


I can now retrospectively with no joke say, that I was studying very actively for a very long time. I kept my brain occupied with questions, that seemed to have no answers, and that there CANT be any way to get such answers too. After some time I realized I can get answers to those questions and that I seem to be moving through some path.

I remember a bit my first trips. I dont mean things like: "we went there and did that" but the general feeling I have from those.


I wasnt feeling it. When my very good friend, who was the super duty heavy tripper, asked me after my cca 3rd trip: What has changed with you after you took LSD?

I replyed: I smile more...  :laugh:

And it took me a while to come up with this kind of reply. I was at the beggining. And also I ment it more like: I dont care so much what people think about me, so I laught more because Im not so much ashamed of my feelings.



Than it all sloooooowly beggined my friend



Soon, maybe in my 1st ten trips, I had unknown feeling next day after the trip. It was pleasant feeling like I have discovered something. (I dont mean I discovered new drug or ideas like that). The feeling was VERY strong and I can recall/recreate it FAINTLY as I write here. I, was feeling a thing which is exactly described as blessing.

This is exactly the word that describes it, totally new and unknown feeling comming to me out of the blue. It was awesome feeling that took few days to diminish.

This happened to me maybe 5 times, I would say 4 times in my life. It was somewhere between my 5th and 50th Acid where it all took place.


And since, there were new questions arised, that needed to be addresed. I remember the 1st question :smile: Posting it will possibly decrease my status but I will do it. It was:


Is it - what I have faintly sensed "behind" those acid trips - unreal delusions of drugged up brain, or does it really exist (and we dont know about it)?

2nd question was necessarily following:

Is it possible to get informations/indications that will shed light upon this, or is it impossible due to the nature of the problem?


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As I wrote it, it helped me to summarize ideas a bit. Those 2 were - for me - fundamental questions. And other my questions were just appearing on the path which I took to solve basic ones.

Because next questions keep appearing after any previous one was , at least partialy, solved.

This could be dangerous, If you based all your knowledge on assumption that something is 100% sure. If you were wrong on the first answer, you will be wrong for a long time on.

It is always necessary to go back and check the older thaughts, to compare to the new knowledge gained. And to put the bits and pieces together, paying attention if everything fits together without any unsolved contradictions.

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Its a hard way, because various informations come in various time. Something, that is needed to proove something else can come very late. Its a matter of luck, observation and analytics.

Because I started to nicely jump from one thing to another, as I like the most, I will tell you - what helped me alot in my path, to put an example of what I was talking about one paragraph up. It happened maybe 3 years before now, so I was basically in a point where I almost stopped using any psychedelics because I had no gain from it and was closing to (or more possibly already passed) the point, where I will start to misuse/abuse LSD.

To put it short: I snorted a mix made by very skilled user and also producer (ONLY for his own need and for friends). He already knew the strength of the substances, he also already knew what mix he wanted to create :smile: I dont want to kids to do drugs so I wont share it here, no joke, I think someone would try that only because I wrote it, dont want that.

So, shortly after I snorted it I went to toilete. I pissed standing and - at least one time - I had the feeling I float to side, like my body is pissing and also my other body is falling to side. I didt registered it too much, it was feeling very normal, like nothing happens.

Than I went out of toilete and I was in a 20 metres long quite dark passageway. At the end of the passageway there were opened doors with light. I wanted to get there, so I was walking towards the doors. I looked at the doors and wanted to be there. Its normal. You go on walk, see nice tree, look at it, and you go there. And while you walk, you sub/consciously want to be there - already by the tree:)

So I walked, looked on the distant doors, wanted to be there and it happened. It was feeling like I have done it 1000 times, like nothing at all happens, like it was the same like drinking coffee in morning... I have split to two. One part was me. The thing you call "I" when talking about yourself. The thing you imagine when you think about "I". This part of me was the leader, this was ME. Than, there was my body, which also felt quite like "I" but it was clear it isnt real "I", because it was following ME and not vice versa.



I splited... you can hear about astral traveling, but it wasnt like I imagined it. Thats why I tryed to express is more deeply. Also reading this and trying to imagine that, could help you if you want to try that on your own someday. Dont just read but try to imagine again.



The part we will call "I" was in the instant standing in the opened doors :smile: While my body was left 20 metres behind. The subconsc. idea "I want be there" instantly made me being there (its IMO necesary to have this idea, if you want to astral travel). And it felt very normal and peacefull (because I was already out of my body and didnt felt any appropriate feelings like surprise, concerns etc - just peace and quiet - thats why. Normaly your hearth would beat like crazy, your thaughts would race also etc. - but that is a bad imagination of astral traveling, no such feelings there for me).

So my astral body (me) was in the doors, 20 metres behind was the body. I was still turned with my back to my body, so (what a shame :X) I didnt saw my body walking to me. I just standed in the doors waiting, while I was also walking to the same doors with my body. It felt so normal, that I didnt felt the urge to turn my "head" behind me and look at the body. I waited (as I already walked), than finaly, my body walked to the same doors and "we" (not exactly "we" but "I" and "looks like I" ) merged. Two "overlapping" images (you cant imagine that, two images in one, you can see both simultaneously and 100% clear) have also merged and I again saw just with my eyes.

This therefore wasnt classic astral traveling with body lying on the sofa, body was walking in that time. This is real, and I swear that everything I write here in my threads is truth described in the best way Im capable of here and now.

But you MAYBE will trust me, maybe you will think - yea, I trust him that it happened like that to him(do I?). But trust isnt equal to 100% certainty. That certainty you can get ONLY by living it on your own.
Having that certainty can have big implications (translated: new questions, revision of old answers).

And there were many points in my path, where knowledge could only be gained by personaly living it. Nobody, IMO not even Budha (no diss.)) can teach you that by words. For sure there are some techniques how to help it, to get "there" (I dont mean astral travel now) and "get knowledge", but unless YOU really get there, you will need to get by with the incomprehensible phrases :smile:





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Now its time for a break :smile: See you laters in other threads maybe, if you have any questions or any advice on what you want me to write about, I will appreciate it.


PEACE AND QUIET


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“Nobody stopped thinking about those psychedelic experiences. Once you’ve been to some of those places, you think, ‘How can I get back there again but make it a little easier on myself?’” Jerry Garcia 1989

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Re: Freetalk - LSD bits and pieces, Astral experience [Re: Network23]
    #14277305 - 04/12/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

why is it so dead here? was it so boring that nobody stayed awake to post a comment or?


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“Nobody stopped thinking about those psychedelic experiences. Once you’ve been to some of those places, you think, ‘How can I get back there again but make it a little easier on myself?’” Jerry Garcia 1989

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Re: Freetalk - LSD bits and pieces, Astral experience [Re: Network23]
    #14299683 - 04/16/11 06:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would probably like your friend's special the mix too.

One of the things I have noticed is that time can seem to be corrugated, and we can  be aware of existence at more than one point in time:

you can walk down the hall, and when you are at the other end, you are still walking down the hall.
If you happen to turn around while walking down the hall, after entering the next room, you still seem to be looking back down the hall.

or

you may be thinking of your appearance in the mirror, and you may judge it negatively, and later while recovering from that judgment you may still be judging your appearance negatively, and it will seem that there is more than one of you present in the space that is normally home to just one self.

separation in this is not exactly cutting apart but co-existence of moments:
it is especially persistence of parts of experiencing (where fading out is much slower), and mixing the past fragments of life with the present fragments in such a way that we can hardly distinguish what is current fresh moments, and what is resonant recurrent mind objects.


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