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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: NotMyName]
    #14282509 - 04/13/11 07:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Those beige / brown spots don't just look like dry spots, they look like it's contaminated.



I concur with this.  My eyes see discoloration other then that caused by drying, isolated in an area where a small hole stuffed with poly-fil is.  To me the mycelium looks suspect as well, and I see very little "knotting".  Also, to me, the substrate appears dry.


OP, You can give your substrate a sniff to detect the presence of contamination before said contamination becomes visually detectable (sporulates).  If there are any smells other than sweet mushroom mycelium, the substrate's contaminated.  To check for dehydration, pick up the tub.  If the tub feels considerably light, the substrate's dehydrated and would benefit from a 12-24 hour dunk.


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: hamloaf]
    #14283511 - 04/13/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I look at those beige spots and I see metabolite residue.  The metabolites are secreted along with water, a byproduct of the respiration cycle.  Evaporation removes the water leaving the metabolites as a stain, and oxidation darkens the stain from yellow to brown.  It's might be a sign that the tub is too dry, but I don't see contamination there.

And yes, in a sense, scratching it down IS a pinning trigger, insofar as the FIRST pinning trigger is the state of the substrate.  Your substrate has built up a fungal mass that will resist the message it gets from other pinning triggers.  Scratching will reset the substrate to an earlier state, the state at which you SHOULD have introduced the other pinning triggers.

I'm not sure what definition of "overlay" other people use, but as I use it, a casing with large fungal masses in a vegetative state is overlay.  I'm not particularly sure what else it would be.  The causes you'll see people list are all related to keeping the casing in vegetative conditions too long, which, as you stated, you did...


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: En passant]
    #14283544 - 04/13/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Damaging the substrate is not a good pinning trigger.


This, taken from the Shroomery Glossary:

Overlay - A dense mycelial growth that covers the casing surface and shows little or no inclination to form pinheads. Overlay directly results from a dry casing, high levels of carbon Dioxide and/or low humidity.       

NotMyName isn't even using a casing layer, there is not a problem of overlay.


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: En passant]
    #14283677 - 04/13/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I look at those beige spots and I see metabolite residue.  The metabolites are secreted along with water, a byproduct of the respiration cycle.  Evaporation removes the water leaving the metabolites as a stain, and oxidation darkens the stain from yellow to brown.  It's might be a sign that the tub is too dry, but I don't see contamination there.

And yes, in a sense, scratching it down IS a pinning trigger, insofar as the FIRST pinning trigger is the state of the substrate.  Your substrate has built up a fungal mass that will resist the message it gets from other pinning triggers.  Scratching will reset the substrate to an earlier state, the state at which you SHOULD have introduced the other pinning triggers.

I'm not sure what definition of "overlay" other people use, but as I use it, a casing with large fungal masses in a vegetative state is overlay.  I'm not particularly sure what else it would be.  The causes you'll see people list are all related to keeping the casing in vegetative conditions too long, which, as you stated, you did...




This guy doesn't have a clue and is using ancient information.


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: En passant]
    #14283748 - 04/13/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Large fungal masses in a vegetative state is overlay.




Mushrooms are not plants, lol.


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: healing]
    #14283801 - 04/13/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think if someone said vegetative state in regard to mushrooms, I would think, "Oh, it's vegetating... It's making mushrooms!" But he seems to mean it as in when a person is in a vegetative state... like a coma....

I have no idea about any of this, I'm just interested in the words. :cool:


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: healing]
    #14283834 - 04/13/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Here is a pic of the beige contaminate I'm talking about:


Sometimes trich under the surface can cause that, and sometimes its cinnamon mold.

Here is a pic of cinnamon mold sporulating in a grain jar.


Cinnamon mold smells like caramel to me.

Trich eventually announces itself with some kind of green hue.

These aren't metabolites and it's not overlay. What you have there isn't even a casing. Enpassant is regurgitating some crap he read 10 years ago.


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: Mad River]
    #14283967 - 04/13/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Mad River said:
I think if someone said vegetative state in regard to mushrooms, I would think, "Oh, it's vegetating... It's making mushrooms!" But he seems to mean it as in when a person is in a vegetative state... like a coma....

I have no idea about any of this, I'm just interested in the words. :cool:




He means colonizing. Vegetating plants are plants that are growing stems, roots and leaves.


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: healing]
    #14284074 - 04/13/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have two small Tupperware containers of coir verm grounds sub end up looking like that an from what I could tell it's was caused by a fan being on for too long too close and badly drying out my sub Ive been heavily misting the last two days and it seems to be recovering I'll let ya know if I decide to dunk how it ends up


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: Soulfull]
    #14287237 - 04/13/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well guys, it turns out all those little dots were knots (which makes total sense now). It looks like all the areas that didn't grow through the sub and dry out will fruit. I'm willing to get what I can out of it and chalk it up to a learning experience.

I'll see if I can get some more pictures of these brown spots tomorrow. The tub doesn't have any odd smell, though for a day or two, it stopped smelling like mushrooms and had no discernible odor at all. Granted, I'm known for having the most dead sense of smell you'll ever find, but I know what it's supposed to smell like.



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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: anonjon]
    #14287740 - 04/14/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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anonjon said:
Sometimes trich under the surface can cause that, and sometimes its cinnamon mold.





Mmmmmm... Sounds delicious!


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: anonjon]
    #14288363 - 04/14/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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anonjon said:I think that tub is toasted, which makes all this other chatter irrelevent.




That doesn't necessarily mean the chatter is irrelevant. It's helped me (I just started my first monotub a few days ago) and it may help others. It may also help NotMyName with his next mono.

That said, more pictures would be better. :thumbup:
Try and take them in brighter light. That'll reduce the exposure length, which will help cut blur from shake. Try to get a little closer to some of the "interesting" spots too.


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: D.C]
    #14289622 - 04/14/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

this thread is fail.

full of overlay talk on a coir/verm substrate?!?!?!

oh and stabbing mycelium with a fork as a pinning trigger.

and vegetating mycelium?


im gonna go throw up now...:ifyoucanawe:


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: k00laid]
    #14289968 - 04/14/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My reply is just as fail. It's pinning so I guess the beige spots were just dryness.

mass fail

vegetating is a real thing tho...there's the fruiting phase and the vegetative phase... :ugh:


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: anonjon]
    #14289999 - 04/14/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol but vegetating caused by vegetating and being interrupted by a fork?


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: k00laid]
    #14290305 - 04/14/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

can someone provide a link to the fork tek?


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #14292154 - 04/14/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The fork thing is bullshit. It's like bleeding someone because they have a cold.

Nothing that guy said about the casing applies to you. He's talking about a substrate that is cased with non-nutritive casing layer. You spawned grain to a bulk substrate. There is no such thing as overlay for you. There will never be a situation where you should start ripping up the mycelium.


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #14292290 - 04/14/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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can someone provide a link to the fork tek?




:ilold:

not necessarily at you trippy, but... "fork tek" :lol:

now I feel the need to find a way to get a fork into my projects and make a tek out of it


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: Primal Call]
    #14292586 - 04/14/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Ryath said:
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Trippy_Smurf said:
can someone provide a link to the fork tek?




:ilold:

not necessarily at you trippy, but... "fork tek" :lol:

now I feel the need to find a way to get a fork into my projects and make a tek out of it



i've been trying to figure that out too.  i figure i could write it up at the same time i write up my garbage disposal tek.


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Re: Concerns about first monotub [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #14292608 - 04/14/11 08:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Who gives a fork?


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