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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: dshow]
    #14860456 - 08/02/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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NOTE dont be a dumb little bitch and get wasted around people you dont hang out with on a regular bases.



Dear n00b, most rapes occur by friends, family, and acquaintenances. 

There are far more unreported rapes than false rape reports.  And its sad :frown:


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: memes]
    #14860720 - 08/02/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The problem with rape is that, while it is possible to prove that there was sex and to prove who it was with, it is much more difficult to prove whether or not it was consensual.  It's just one of those terrible things.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: dshow] * 1
    #14860746 - 08/02/11 09:44 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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lol really? This is not sometimes. This happens all the time. Tons of stupid bitches getting incredibly shit faced with guys who are also incredibly shit faced. If a chick had a stick instead of a hole you would see rape left and right. NOTE dont be a dumb little bitch and get wasted around people you dont hang out with on a regular bases. The fact that it DOES happen does not excuse it. Stop ignoring the truth. :rolleyes:




Dude, alcohol is a CNS depressant, getting too drunk removes our legal ability to consent. Therefore having sex with someone who is too drunk to give consent is rape. Every rapist ever has used the "oh she really wanted it, she's just out to ruin my life" defense and some of them even really believe it.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: NizzyJones]
    #14860756 - 08/02/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Not saying it wasnt. Just saying dont be a stupid bitch and get into a bad situation. Obviously sometimes the bad situation finds them but ey.

Alcohol is a brain depressant? ok go on.... Lots of times the girl tries to have sex or is ok with sex while drunk anyways IMO OP's girl. Then has bad thoughts later about it.


Meams i just never got raped by a family member. Thats all i ever wanted in life.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: dshow]
    #14860770 - 08/02/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Not saying it wasnt. Just saying dont be a stupid bitch and get into a bad situation. Obviously sometimes the bad situation finds them but ey.

Alcohol is a brain depressant? ok go on.... Lots of times the girl tries to have sex or is ok with sex while drunk anyways IMO OP's girl. Then has bad thoughts later about it.


Meams i just never got raped by a family member. Thats all i ever wanted in life.




:maximumtrolling:

What part of legally unable to give consent is giving you a hard time? If someone isn't of a state of mind where they could legally sign a binding contract (ie drunk) they are not legally able to give consent.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: NizzyJones]
    #14860827 - 08/02/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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dshow said:
Not saying it wasnt. Just saying dont be a stupid bitch and get into a bad situation. Obviously sometimes the bad situation finds them but ey.

Alcohol is a brain depressant? ok go on.... Lots of times the girl tries to have sex or is ok with sex while drunk anyways IMO OP's girl. Then has bad thoughts later about it.


Meams i just never got raped by a family member. Thats all i ever wanted in life.




:maximumtrolling:

What part of legally unable to give consent is giving you a hard time? If someone isn't of a state of mind where they could legally sign a binding contract (ie drunk) they are not legally able to give consent.



There is an unbelievable amount of misinformation in this thread.

Being drunk certainly does NOT remove your legal ability to consent to sex.

Being drunk to the point of not being able to put a coherent sentence together does, however.

It gets more complicated if both parties are intoxicated, because then both of their judgments are impaired.  I don't know where the legal status stands in this scenario, but it's certainly not as cut and dry and you make it out to be.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #14860876 - 08/02/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

There's still such a thing as prosecutorial discretion but from a purely theoretical standpoint it is that simple. The exact degree of intoxication is hard to define (my state's criminal code just says "substantially impaired") and the fact of both parties being intoxicated could potentially be held to be mitigating (no more so than in any other criminal case) but that's where prosecutorial and judicial discretion come in.

Edit: you seem to arguing purely from your own personal morality, I'm only speaking to what constitutes the crime of rape or sexual assault, at least in my state.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14860928 - 08/02/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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The relationship wont ever be the same.. Somone that loves you with all there heart dosent need anybody else but you.




I am sorry you got cheated on and that someone you trusted and loved decided to fuck with your trust in them, but from that to saying that when someone loves you they need only you is a VERY long way. Is it possible for someone to honestly love more than one person at the same time, or simply feel attracted to someone else. Thinking that someone who loves you should only constantly want and need only you can bring a lot of suffering into your life because it's not how things happen in reality and it also doesn't give you the opportunity to be in a real relationship with the person you love.




If you can't restrain yourself from indulging in your own selfish wants instead of being faithful to the one you love, it's not love. Sure you can love more than one person and you can definitely be attracted to more than one person, but it's the exertion of self control that will define your love. We are horny creatures and temptation is always present, but self control can always be exercised if your love is true. Unfortuantely most people will satisfy their own desires before the desires of others.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: Toltecatl]
    #14861288 - 08/02/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Thinking that someone who loves you should only constantly want and need only you can bring a lot of suffering into your life because it's not how things happen in reality and it also doesn't give you the opportunity to be in a real relationship with the person you love.



Toltecatl said:
Sure you can love more than one person and you can definitely be attracted to more than one person, but it's the exertion of self control that will define your love.



I agree with this.  Its the exercise of self control that shows your partner: "look baby, I love you so much that I'm remaining faithful, even though I want to fuck all these bitches.  You mean that much to me."

Now, if partners are both under the frame of mind that MushroomTip speaks about, then there are no issues ----- but i think "functioning open relationships" are the exception, not the rule.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: memes]
    #14861457 - 08/02/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: llevitron] * 3
    #14861904 - 08/02/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I read the updates and I still think she's playing you

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I don't think she was "raped", per se... (though meams is dead-on about how girls react to that shit) But she really doesn't know how all the kissing and shit started. She only remembers certain points throughout the whole thing... One minute they were in the kitchen talking, the next on the couch kissing, she remembers him on top of her, and had no idea (until the next day when he confirmed it) that they had sex. At certain points she even thinks she passed out, particularly around the time when she remembers him on top of her.





Selective memory is a real bitch huh? The human mind is a very powerful thing.

If I honestly thought some dude raped my half passed out drunk girlfriend, he would be laying in a ditch somewhere.

But the story doesn't add up. She's telling you exactly what you want to hear.

Oh it just kinda happened, all I remember is us talking, then kissing, then him on top of me... and I had no idea...... bullfucking shit.

She knew she had a BF, he knew she had a BF, she's using being drunk as an excuse for not saying NO.

She cheated on you and then didn't tell you until a day or two later, using emotion as a tool. And you are playing right into her game.

Yeah, the guy sounds like a real predator skeeze-bag type, and I would beat the living shit right out of him.

But your GF sounds like she is playing you like a fucking violin.

I hope it works out for the best, I really do. But from the looks of it she made a stupid mistake and is trying her best to cover her tracks.

How many times does a chick get drunk, fuck a guy, then the next day out of regret claim they were passed out and don't remember? Too many fucking times.

Rape DOES happen, but so does drunk bitches fucking random guys and then claiming it was rape later when they regret it.

Alcohol is not a fucking excuse. And too many people use it as a fucking excuse to do stupid shit. Trust is gone.

They are BOTH guilty. She will do it again. But she'll probably be smart enough next time to hide it better.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #14866405 - 08/03/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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I read the updates and I still think she's playing you

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I don't think she was "raped", per se... (though meams is dead-on about how girls react to that shit) But she really doesn't know how all the kissing and shit started. She only remembers certain points throughout the whole thing... One minute they were in the kitchen talking, the next on the couch kissing, she remembers him on top of her, and had no idea (until the next day when he confirmed it) that they had sex. At certain points she even thinks she passed out, particularly around the time when she remembers him on top of her.





Selective memory is a real bitch huh? The human mind is a very powerful thing.

If I honestly thought some dude raped my half passed out drunk girlfriend, he would be laying in a ditch somewhere.

But the story doesn't add up. She's telling you exactly what you want to hear.

Oh it just kinda happened, all I remember is us talking, then kissing, then him on top of me... and I had no idea...... bullfucking shit.

She knew she had a BF, he knew she had a BF, she's using being drunk as an excuse for not saying NO.

She cheated on you and then didn't tell you until a day or two later, using emotion as a tool. And you are playing right into her game.

Yeah, the guy sounds like a real predator skeeze-bag type, and I would beat the living shit right out of him.

But your GF sounds like she is playing you like a fucking violin.

I hope it works out for the best, I really do. But from the looks of it she made a stupid mistake and is trying her best to cover her tracks.

How many times does a chick get drunk, fuck a guy, then the next day out of regret claim they were passed out and don't remember? Too many fucking times.

Rape DOES happen, but so does drunk bitches fucking random guys and then claiming it was rape later when they regret it.

Alcohol is not a fucking excuse. And too many people use it as a fucking excuse to do stupid shit. Trust is gone.

They are BOTH guilty. She will do it again. But she'll probably be smart enough next time to hide it better.





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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: llevitron]
    #14875279 - 08/05/11 01:50 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i hate bitches that pull the "i was so drunk/i dont remember/i blacked out" card

no excuse


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: indica]
    #14883032 - 08/06/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Not to butt in out of nowhere, but come on, stop trying to make him unhappy when he's already resolved slash working on resolving things with his girl. Maybe I'm biased because I'm a chick, but you know what? I'm done a lot of really shitty terrible things when I've been blacked out or wasted, primarily the first, and I would hate for people to think I did them intentionally and just tried to make alcohol the excuse.

Last year I really liked this guy, wanted to spend every minute with him, blah blah blah. We were really close and it was really intense, even though it didn't last long. When I was with him I didn't want to be with anyone else; no other guy I met or knew could even touch how strongly I felt for this guy. But here's the thing you guys need to learn- girls have insecurities. All girls. I think I'm probably the least insecure out of my close girl friends, and like I said I was really, really into this guy- I don't want to say love, but probably as close as I've ever come to it. (Sorry for my stone-cold black hole of a heart.)I go out a lot when I'm at school, like twice a week minimum and usually 5-6 times a week.

Anyways, I slipped up and made a few discretions when I was drunk- every time blackout drunk, and I rarely black out. Actually, the two nights I'm referring to might be two out of only 3 or 4 times I've ever blacked out, if that many. I felt really, really awful afterwards and regretted them a lot, and it wasn't caused by me being deceitful, being angry at him, not loving him, whatever. I'm not blaming it all on the alcohol, but like I said before, all girls are insecure in some way or another. When a girl gets blackout drunk and does something awful like cheat, it's her losing control and giving into/satisfying her insecurities, to get that reassurance and confidence from another person.

I don't know if that makes sense or anything, I'm kind of rambling, it's just my opinion and two cents.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: luckee8989]
    #14883148 - 08/06/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Let me get this straight, you're saying it's okay for a girl to cheat as long as shes drunk and insecure?  :cuckoo:


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: luckee8989]
    #14883157 - 08/06/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Nope, it doesn't make sense at all.  You just made an elaborate that started by saying it wasn't just blaming it on the alcohol, then told a story about times you have blamed it on the alcohol.

Disgusting.  Learn some fucking self control.  IMO, if you do something, no matter how drunk, you have to have subconsciously already wanted it.

I have never, ever cheated on someone, and I will never, because it's a scummy thing to do.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #14884504 - 08/07/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Smoky McPot said:
Let me get this straight, you're saying it's okay for a girl to cheat as long as shes drunk and insecure?  :cuckoo:



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Nope, it doesn't make sense at all.  You just made an elaborate that started by saying it wasn't just blaming it on the alcohol, then told a story about times you have blamed it on the alcohol.

Disgusting.  Learn some fucking self control.  IMO, if you do something, no matter how drunk, you have to have subconsciously already wanted it.

I have never, ever cheated on someone, and I will never, because it's a scummy thing to do.




I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's not necessarily caused by bad motives.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly "willfully"... [Re: luckee8989]
    #14884519 - 08/07/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Let me get this straight, you're saying it's okay for a girl to cheat as long as shes drunk and insecure?  :cuckoo:



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Nope, it doesn't make sense at all.  You just made an elaborate that started by saying it wasn't just blaming it on the alcohol, then told a story about times you have blamed it on the alcohol.

Disgusting.  Learn some fucking self control.  IMO, if you do something, no matter how drunk, you have to have subconsciously already wanted it.

I have never, ever cheated on someone, and I will never, because it's a scummy thing to do.




I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's not necessarily caused by bad motives.



See, I'm saying it is.

Your post did not sufficiently justify anything.

Saying I make bad decisions when I'm drunk doesn't excuse you from said bad decisions :facepalm:.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #14884922 - 08/07/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Cheating shows incredibly low values and respect. That being said, if you are going to try to rebuild the relationship, you better be damn sure she is worth it - because her fundamental values aren't going to radically change. I can say with 100% confidence that no matter how intoxicated, or tempted I may be - I would never put someone I love through the anguish of infidelity. Using intoxication as a crutch is pathetic bullshit.

I am still with my girlfriend, who slept with another man a week before our one year mark. Everyday is a constant mental struggle, but I am trying my hardest to believe her when she says she is changing. She is going to have to work her hardest to show me she is worth it & completely trustworthy, because I won't forgive a second time.

Don't beat yourself up over it like I did. I used to think that some sort of personal shortcoming may have lead her to that point, but I realized it was her own fucked up issues and selfishness. Trust is incredibly hard to rebuild, and even harder is respect for that person - I'm not sure if that can ever be completely mended.


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Re: She cheated on me... Not exactly [Re: SabbraCadabra]
    #14885367 - 08/07/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Guys, maybe OP is just one of those dudes who is ok or doesnt care about being cheated on. Stranger things have happened.

But He was still, 100% and completely, absolutaly cheated  on, I just hope he realizes that, becuase he sounds pretty fucking whipped and gullible about everything.


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