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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14288741 - 04/14/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You mean he's NOT an expert?

Then why is he correcting my definition of chi if he's no more qualified in the topic than I am?

Also, you would do well to read the Fallacies of Philosophical Debate sticky where you'll learn that questioning someone's status as an expert when it goes to the validity of their argument is not a personalism or ad hominem in that narrow case.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
    #14288930 - 04/14/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Chi practitioners make a big show of knocking down groups of people from a distance with their chi.

So why can't any of them knock over something like a lamp from a distance with their chi?

A quick YouTube search finds almost a half million chi videos, but NOT ONE SINGLE VIDEO of someone knocking over an inanimate object that doesn't possess group psychology and herd behavior. Like a lamp.




thats not really the most important thing to understand about chi


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: g00ru]
    #14289039 - 04/14/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Uh what? The fact that chi completely fails to do what recognized chi masters claim it can do is not the most important thing about it?

If a pharmaceutical company develops a new cancer drug that fails 100% of its trials, wouldn't that be the most important thing about it?


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
    #14289298 - 04/14/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I feel the need to quote myself from Randis Prize thread, since neither Samurai Drifter nor anyone else has given me reasonable explanation about the fakeness of the claim these videos are trying to make:

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If anyone can prove to me that this is fake, or what I experienced was fake or can provide me with a resource that shows how it is done, I'm all ears and open to it.

Ever notice that these people ALWAYS use some sort of props and that they set them up themselves, not a neutral observer.

The guy who appears to light newspaper on fire with his chi is shown in the video as the same person who tears the paper and balls it up before holding his hand over it and it bursts into flames. Coincidence? Nope. How else to use slight of hand to add a hypergolic chemical (read: it burns on contact with air) to the newspaper as he balls it up.

The guy in your video wraps some aluminum foil in paper towel and a few minutes later it's up to 200F. He doesn't do it to a thermometer laying in plain view on a table. He doesn't have one of the film makers do it. He does it himself. Coincidence? of course not.






Not an actual proof that it is fake, just a hypothesis.

I keep my mouth shut now, just post some more interesting videos:



Click to watch all 5 parts and to see subtitles.

More:




I posted this a year ago in some other thread, but I could not find the original video, so you'd have to see it crappier and without sound until me or someone else manages to find it again:





Actually a suitable material for Chi thread. Although Spetsnaz guys call it Ether, which scientific term is Aether, which has been thoroughly studied by Lorenz and Einstein after him. Nikola Tesla supposedly did experiments with aether. Einstein claimed that Aether is kind of immobile "energy", to put it simple, so I really do not know how this applies here. But the description of "immobile" doesn't mean that it can not influence stuff around it, which Einstein agrees with. Then again science can always be wrong, even the term itself keeps changing over time, as it did from middle ages, through 18 century until today. Maybe we are all just blinded like people were in the Middle Ages, we will not know until we are somehow out of it. Einsteins Theory of Relativity proves to be right, but there are actually so many variations of it and all of them prove true in some levels.





Russian mix of fighting styles, called Systema, which uses suggestive combat psychology and body pressure points amongst other things. Russia is a big country and there are many forms of Systema fighting, some of it is applied in Spetznas, which mastery also varies from region to region.











Now, there, we actually see this thing called "chi" applied to static enviornment, nonanimated things we call them. I propose that chi, whatever it actually is, affects humans the same way it affects other things, through heat in various points, humans react to it, their nervous system reacts and they pull away, eg fall or retreat and get distracted.

I have called an explanation for these videos before in these forums, and not gotten any, so I call again. This applies to both chi believers and non-believers. If you think there is chi involved in these videos, would you please elaborate and describe the processes involved. As right now, a year and a half later, I am still not sure enough to pick certain sides as these videos leave me baffled.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Simms]
    #14289327 - 04/14/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

As right now, a year and a half later, I am still not sure enough to pick certain sides as these videos leave me baffled.

Can you explain how David Coperfield makes elephants vanish on stage before a live audience?

Does that leave you undecided about whether it was an illusion or actual magic?


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
    #14289340 - 04/14/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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As right now, a year and a half later, I am still not sure enough to pick certain sides as these videos leave me baffled.

Can you explain how David Coperfield makes elephants vanish on stage before a live audience?

Does that leave you undecided about whether it was an illusion or actual magic?




David Copperfield never claimed it was magic. You make claim that is completely irrelevant to this topic, as this is not about turning me into a believer or non-believer. This is a discussion of Chi. If you think these videos are illusion, a trick, explain and give some proof if possible.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Simms]
    #14289521 - 04/14/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The title says it all. He is using a narrow term to try to disprove the broader term. He obviously has no Idea what he is talking about.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
    #14289755 - 04/14/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Once again, it's not me talking. It's an acknowledge chi master. Why is this so difficult to grasp?

All I'm doing is pointing out that the chi master can't do what he says he can do (apply a force from a distance) except with biased participants (his students).

Point of fact, when he tried to push a skeptic without touching as shown in the video, he failed miserably and blamed his failure on the skeptic's tongue.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
    #14290080 - 04/14/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Uh what? The fact that chi completely fails to do what recognized chi masters claim it can do is not the most important thing about it?

If a pharmaceutical company develops a new cancer drug that fails 100% of its trials, wouldn't that be the most important thing about it?




that's all fanciful poo.  I think in theory it is possible to blast somebody with chi DBZ style but not something you're gonna encounter in everyday life, and probably not on this planet.  My understanding of chi really has more to do with the habits of my day to day life, how choices i make effect my energy and disposition, and how some actions give me more energy, allow me to sleep less and move more fluidly through my day, accomplish more, etc.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: g00ru]
    #14290274 - 04/14/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My understanding of chi really has more to do with

Your understanding of chi is in direct contradiction to an internationally acknowledged chi master. :shrug:


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
    #14293571 - 04/15/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, you win diploid! You are the greatest debater to step foot at the shroomery!

How about positing a premise that we might debate. Rather than cherry picking an instance where the master's chi did not work. I see way more examples of it working than not.

Your proof is nothing.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
    #14293595 - 04/15/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I see way more examples of it working than not.

Of it working on something other than people who are susceptible to all sorts of group psychology and herd behavior, like the chi master's students?

Show me the link.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
    #14293599 - 04/15/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The burden is not on me, it's obvious cherry picking.

Prove that the students were manipulated.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
    #14293602 - 04/15/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I already explained why it wouldn't workon someone who had no chi flow.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
    #14293617 - 04/15/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You throw that out that you see lots of examples, and when I ask for one, you back out. That's par for the course here.

The burden is not on me... Prove that the students were manipulated.

I did that already.

In the video, the students of the chi master fall on command, but when a neutral skeptic who is not a student stands up against the chi master, nothing happens.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
    #14293622 - 04/15/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What you have is a video of it working and not working, which is inconclusive evidence and only says that more experiments must be done. It is not decisive by any means.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
    #14293625 - 04/15/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The fact that of the half million chi videos on YouTube, not ONE SINGLE VIDEO shows it working on a skeptic or inanimate object is inconclusive? :cuckoo:


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
    #14293645 - 04/15/11 12:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I posted a video of it working in both manners, innanimate objects with spectators and critics, as well as your own post of it working more thn not working.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
    #14293680 - 04/15/11 12:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Anyways, I'm going to pass out now. I'll post a rebuttal to your actual premise (if you have one) later.


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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
    #14293793 - 04/15/11 01:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I posted a video of it working in both manners

No, you posted a video of a guy physically TOUCHING, TEARING, and BALLING UP a newspaper which then caught fire. Try again.


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