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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
#14277799 - 04/12/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Zero-point energy
Are you talking to me? Cuz I have no idea what you're on about.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14277862 - 04/12/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes Diploid. Quantum Mechanics proves that there is even energy in the ground states.
You, are imposing your own definition of Chi on others.
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Diploid said: Hmm, just like quantum theories...
You've been misinformed. There is complete agreement on what quantum physics is and how it works. All the equations are well-known and understood and there is consensus. It is the most successful theory in the history of science.
It is precisely because engineers and physicists all agree that quantum physics can give us the hard drive, CPU and memory chips in your computer, the MRI machines that save lives in hospitals, and the lasers that carry this message to your eyes right now.
you can feel it as a charge
I don't feel shit. And neither do instruments that can detect charge.
I always thought Chi was less of a thing to be performed, and more just a word to describe subtle energies all around us and within us.
So much for all the practitioners PERFORMING it by knocking down gullible people on YouTube. But not a single one knocking down the non-gullible skeptic in the video I linked... or a lamp. 
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
#14277922 - 04/12/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quantum Mechanics proves that there is even energy in the ground states.
So what? What does that have to do with chi?
You, are imposing your own definition of Chi on others.
No, I'm using the definition given by an internationally recognized chi master (George Dillman). Are you reading the same thread I am?
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14277928 - 04/12/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: historically, different sects, traditions, and "masters" have had their own ideas of just exactly what "chi" is.
Thanks for making one of my points. When acknowledge masters can't even agree on what it is, then it's some self-contradicting made up mish-mash that doesn't exist except in the head of the each person.
Otherwise, everyone would be able to see the same thing and agree on its definition.
yes, and no.
your first line is somewhat correct but your second line is making a bold assumption. Throughout history we have all seen the sun and the moon and agree that they are there but not necessarily agreed upon just exactly what it is or what it does. But this is even more difficult because what we are talking about are subtle energies that are invisible to the eye. Your eye doesn't see infrared, or sound waves does it? Sounds common today but not too long ago it was beyond realistic imagination
i really don't care about chi anymore, but your "everyone would be able to see the same thing and agree on its definition" comment doesn't hold up. We don't agree on exactly what the moon is and we don't all see the same thing when we read these forum posts.
I just hope that as a scientist, you would like to be more of a pioneer than merely a skeptic. To be a pioneer, at some point you will have to go beyond what is agreed upon.
"The only real valuable thing is intuition." --Albert Einstein. I find that people's minds get more twisted by definitions. They are more abstract and require more complex patterns of approaching any issue. Like a child being told what God is. "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."
it's not that our position on chi is in conflict, its just that something about your attitude leaves me skeptical
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14277984 - 04/12/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Quantum Mechanics proves that there is even energy in the ground states. So what? What does that have to do with chi?
Your definition of Chi is confused.
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Diploid said: You, are imposing your own definition of Chi on others.
No, I'm using the definition given by an internationally recognized chi master (George Dillman). Are you reading the same thread I am?
Then please define Chi.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: the bizzle]
#14278021 - 04/12/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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its just that something about your attitude leaves me skeptical
This is the most sophomoric of all the fallacies.
What does my attitude have to do with the validity of my statements? That's right, nothing at all. If I say that the sky is blue with a bad attitude, does that make me wrong?
It's usually when people bring out the ad hominem instead of debating the issue on the table that I can tell their position doesn't hold water, and they know it. So in frustration, they lash out at me instead of my argument.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
#14278035 - 04/12/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Then please define Chi.
Please read what I type. I am not defining chi. I'm using the definition given by a chi master.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14278084 - 04/12/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Umm yeah . . . You never explained or stated the definition of Chi in it's broadness.
Your entire argument is worthless to argue without a definitive basis.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
#14278109 - 04/12/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Your entire argument is worthless to argue without a definitive basis.
That's why I linked a video early on where the chi master demonstrates chi and discusses it at length.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14278122 - 04/12/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This isn't post a video as evidence debate?
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
#14278126 - 04/12/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jesus, you can't be pleased. I'm not posting the video to debate. I'm posting it to establish the definition of what we're debating. That's what you keep whining about right? A lack of definition (even though I provided it... twice)?
Here, I'll make it easy. Here's the link again. What is in that video is the definition of chi given by an internationally recognized chi master and the working definition for this thread:
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14278169 - 04/12/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Jesus, you can't be pleased. I'm not posting the video to debate. I'm posting it to establish the definition of what we're debating. That's what you keep whining about right? A lack of definition (even though I provided it... twice)?
Here, I'll make it easy. Here's the link again. What is in that video is the definition of chi given by an internationally recognized chi master and the working definition for this thread:
No definition.
I've heard the word Chi, but I still haven't heard it defined, by the person you claimed is thier definition, and you don't appear to even know what that definition is?
They give credit to Chi for thier power, so?
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14278188 - 04/12/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Lamps have amazing amounts of S-Rays.
Nah, I think it's that lamps can cross their toes and their tongue to nullify chi. I have this on expert authority. 
Does not define Chi.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
#14278191 - 04/12/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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He states clearly what it is and demonstrates it repeatedly by knocking down people but strangely never by knocking down a lamp or similar object.
I'm not going to spoon feed you a transcript. If you can't figure out the definition when the guy tells it right to the camera, there's nothing I can do to help.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14278195 - 04/12/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Your argument is invalid without a basis.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
#14278312 - 04/12/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright, seems I DO have to spoon feed you: 
Transcribed direct from the chi master, chi is a "radio wave" that:
"is the basis of the power of practitioners of the martial arts... it flows throughout the body, without it you don't function. It can put the largest person in the world on the floor without having to touching them. Chi is like electrical circuitry. It is warmer than the environment. It can be dangerous and can 'flatline' people. It can move walls of people from 10 feet away. It can knock people out without touching any part of their body."
Satisfied?
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14278390 - 04/12/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Alright, seems I DO have to spoon feed you: 
Transcribed direct from the chi master, chi is a "radio wave" that:
"is the basis of the power of practitioners of the martial arts... it flows throughout the body, without it you don't function. It can put the largest person in the world on the floor without having to touching them. Chi is like electrical circuitry. It is warmer than the environment. It can be dangerous and can 'flatline' people. It can move walls of people from 10 feet away. It can knock people out without touching any part of their body."
Satisfied?
No, that's an improper quote. Doesn't even include the author!
What he is initially refering to is the zero-point. The source of everything and nothing.
In the bolded part he goes on and talks about it being warmer than the environment, which is a specific type of chi. The knocking out part is too a specific type of chi (or lack of).
If one has no chi flow, limiting it (or removing it) will do nothing.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: teknix]
#14278430 - 04/12/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright man. I've bent over backward giving you what you want.
I'm not doing the neener neener debate with you any more.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14288294 - 04/14/11 02:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Ask 100 people and they'll all claim to be experts. Like you, eh?
nice personalizing.
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