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The Definitive Chi Test
#14273849 - 04/11/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chi practitioners make a big show of knocking down groups of people from a distance with their chi.
So why can't any of them knock over something like a lamp from a distance with their chi?
A quick YouTube search finds almost a half million chi videos, but NOT ONE SINGLE VIDEO of someone knocking over an inanimate object that doesn't possess group psychology and herd behavior. Like a lamp.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14273975 - 04/11/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lamps have amazing amounts of S-Rays.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14274971 - 04/11/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think you have to know what Qi actually is before you ridicule it. Westerners tend to exaggerate generalizations anyways, so i don't blame you for your ignorance.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: meatcakeman]
#14275324 - 04/11/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure there are lots of people who would tell you the same thing on hearing YOUR definition.
That's one of the problems with the whole concept. Ask 100 people, and get 100 different definitions for the same thing.
This also happens with definitions for "soul", "god", "heaven", "hell", "purgatory" and pretty much all the other mystic-head words.
Everyone knows it's real, but no one can even agree on what it is.
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Lamps have amazing amounts of S-Rays.
Nah, I think it's that lamps can cross their toes and their tongue to nullify chi. I have this on expert authority. 
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14275489 - 04/11/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I'm pretty sure there are lots of people who would tell you the same thing on hearing YOUR definition.
That's one of the problems with the whole concept. Ask 100 people, and get 100 different definitions for the same thing.
This also happens with definitions for "soul", "god", "heaven", "hell", "purgatory" and pretty much all the other mystic-head words.
Everyone knows it's real, but no one can even agree on what it is.
well maybe you're asking the wrong people. 100 idiots won't give you the same answers as 100 experts.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: meatcakeman]
#14275788 - 04/11/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ask 100 people and they'll all claim to be experts. Like you, eh?
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14275910 - 04/12/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am thoroughly aggrivated with the lack of good qi demonstrations in martial arts. Ive seen so many videos of 'masters' pushing people over with ease. However the volunteers are always cooperative people and the videos never show failed attempts. There seems no reason such techniques could not be used in an actual fight, so I can't see why a qi-warrior wouldnt display their moves in an actual combat. This has never been shown.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14275915 - 04/12/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Ask 100 people and they'll all claim to be experts. Like you, eh?
never claimed to be an expert. for all you know, i'm just an idiot.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Noteworthy]
#14275921 - 04/12/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Noteworthy said: I am thoroughly aggrivated with the lack of good qi demonstrations in martial arts. Ive seen so many videos of 'masters' pushing people over with ease. However the volunteers are always cooperative people and the videos never show failed attempts. There seems no reason such techniques could not be used in an actual fight, so I can't see why a qi-warrior wouldnt display their moves in an actual combat. This has never been shown.
well, good luck, monks are forbidden to fight. doubt you'll ever find a good demonstration...
best bet: go to china yourself. fight a shaolin monk. see if your qi can match his.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: meatcakeman]
#14276009 - 04/12/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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He might just beat me with non-qi methods
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14276519 - 04/12/11 04:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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And here's a vid of a "non-believer" being able to knock a guy down.. and then helps the guy recover from the "blow" by saying "It's all in your mind"..
If a someone can replicate the results without believing in chi, then...??? 
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14276554 - 04/12/11 04:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I'm pretty sure there are lots of people who would tell you the same thing on hearing YOUR definition.
That's one of the problems with the whole concept. Ask 100 people, and get 100 different definitions for the same thing.
This also happens with definitions for "soul", "god", "heaven", "hell", "purgatory" and pretty much all the other mystic-head words.
Everyone knows it's real, but no one can even agree on what it is.
Hmm, just like quantum theories...
But I would not bring Derren Brown into argument, because he is a well known faker.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14276863 - 04/12/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Chi practitioners make a big show of knocking down groups of people from a distance with their chi.
So why can't any of them knock over something like a lamp from a distance with their chi?
A quick YouTube search finds almost a half million chi videos, but NOT ONE SINGLE VIDEO of someone knocking over an inanimate object that doesn't possess group psychology and herd behavior. Like a lamp.
absolutely not a definitive chi test.
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Chi, the naturally circulating energy of the Universe. Chi permeates all things, including the human body, and you can feel it as a charge, an actual electrical warmth even between your two hands. Our movement in dance, alone or with an equally charged partner, benefits from important principles for the proper flow of Chi as developed in T’ai Chi, and spread through salsa space as Clave carves the time.
Just as we flow through the changes of life (or not), our Chi flows through us (or not), and through our dance (or not). To dance with Chi means to move in a relaxed, mindful, flowing fashion to the music, with the poise of joyful presence, without stress or blocked energies. T'ai Chi points in the direction of harmony and flow, balance and counter balance, continuity, and mindful delight.
chi permeates all things...like magic. Magic permeates all things, but that still does not make david blaine anything more than a showman, and if I believe that I can throw chicken bone under your house and you will be cursed, then that is my own superstition. I always thought Chi was less of a thing to be performed, and more just a word to describe subtle energies all around us and within us.
but, since I (or you) may be wrong about that, I'm certainly not going to say what is the "DEFINITIVE" chi anything
conflict of definitions? or are threads titled like this for ego games?
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Simms]
#14276920 - 04/12/11 08:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmm, just like quantum theories...
You've been misinformed. There is complete agreement on what quantum physics is and how it works. All the equations are well-known and understood and there is consensus. It is the most successful theory in the history of science.
It is precisely because engineers and physicists all agree that quantum physics can give us the hard drive, CPU and memory chips in your computer, the MRI machines that save lives in hospitals, and the lasers that carry this message to your eyes right now.
you can feel it as a charge
I don't feel shit. And neither do instruments that can detect charge.
I always thought Chi was less of a thing to be performed, and more just a word to describe subtle energies all around us and within us.
So much for all the practitioners PERFORMING it by knocking down gullible people on YouTube. But not a single one knocking down the non-gullible skeptic in the video I linked... or a lamp. 
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14277402 - 04/12/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So much for all the practitioners PERFORMING it by knocking down gullible people on YouTube. But not a single one knocking down the non-gullible skeptic in the video I linked... or a lamp.
"chi" does not = "knocking down a man from a distance"
i don't see anybody trying to knock anybody down from a distance in acupuncture, which also deals with chi
again, you're criticizing the david blaines but that doesnt mean jimi hendrix's music isn't magic. I guess that's just my take on it, but again, most traditional "chi" involves energy that permeates all things. Perhaps Jesus (if there ever was one) was proverbial when he said "I" or "God", and chi "masters" are like popes of catholic churches.

con artists? insane cult leaders? who knows. I don't believe these acts can be performed until I see them and such, but I don't see how if this knocking-over act is false, then no interpretation or application of "chi" throughout history has ever been valid
but then again most of today's concept of "chi" involves lasers and hadoukens, so carry on
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: the bizzle]
#14277540 - 04/12/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"chi" does not = "knocking down a man from a distance"
An internationally recognized "chi master" does it in the link I provided ^^^ up there and goes on to expound on what chi is at length.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
#14277639 - 04/12/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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and goes on to expound on what chi is at length.
historically, different sects, traditions, and "masters" have had their own ideas of just exactly what "chi" is.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: the bizzle]
#14277655 - 04/12/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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historically, different sects, traditions, and "masters" have had their own ideas of just exactly what "chi" is.
Thanks for making one of my points. When acknowledge masters can't even agree on what it is, then it's some self-contradicting made up mish-mash that doesn't exist except in the head of the each person.
Otherwise, everyone would be able to see the same thing and agree on its definition.
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Re: The Definitive Chi Test [Re: Diploid]
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Zero-point energy
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Zero-point energy is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical physical system may have; it is the energy of its ground state. All quantum mechanical systems undergo fluctuations even in their ground state and have an associated zero-point energy, a consequence of their wave-like interaction. Because of the uncertainty principle, every physical system (even at absolute zero temperature) has a zero-point energy that is greater than the minimum of its potential well. Liquid helium-4 (4He) remains liquid—it does not freeze—under atmospheric pressure no matter how low its temperature is, because of its zero-point energy. The concept of zero-point energy was developed in Germany by Albert Einstein and Otto Stern in 1913, using a formula developed by Max Planck in 1900.[1][2] The term zero-point energy originates from the German Nullpunktsenergie.[1][2] The German name is also spelled Nullpunktenergie (without the "s") Vacuum energy is the zero-point energy of all the fields in space, which in the Standard Model includes the electromagnetic field, other gauge fields, fermionic fields, and the Higgs field. It is the energy of the vacuum, which in quantum field theory is defined not as empty space but as the ground state of the fields. In cosmology, the vacuum energy is one possible explanation for the cosmological constant.[3] The variation in zero-point energy as the boundaries of a region of vacuum move leads to the Casimir effect, which is observable in nanoscale devices. A related term is zero-point field, which is the lowest energy state of a particular field.
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