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OfflineRadioActiveSlug
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Get Ready for the USSA
    #1427335 - 04/04/03 12:33 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Get Ready for the USSA
(The United Soviet States of America)
"Behind the Scenes in the Beltway" is published regularly online at Al Martin Raw, (http://www.almartinraw.com).

(March 17) You will be happy to learn that the former head of the KGB (the secret police of the former Soviet Union), General Yevgeni Primakov, has been hired as a consultant by the US Department of Homeland Security. Do you think he will share his expertise in "security" to prepare US citizens for domestic internal passports under the pretense of fighting the never-ending "War on Terrorism"?

CAPPS II is the name of the new program which is technically under the auspices of the US Department of Transporation, but that's only technical and the only reaosn they did that was to use the Transportation Department's budget to buy the computer hardware and software they need.

The way it works is you give them your credit card and they slide it thorough like you would in a store and then they hit a button and the monitor reads: CAPPS II, SS CTF. The SS CTF evidently stands for State Security Citizen Threat File. But it has nothing to do with the Department of Transportation. It goes directly to a division, which has been established between the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the CIA and several other federal agencies. This is a new division, referred to as the Office of Internal Security, which is coordinating the effort to establish citizen threat files on every US citizen. It will be a huge database including credit files, medical files, political and religious affiliation, military history, attendance at anti-government rallies,etc.

The newsclip didn't point out what information is being accessed.

The only thing they'll tell you is they're going to access your credit history, but like the guy giving the interview said they will be accessing a whole lot more. They just don't tell you what it is. When the Department of Homeland Security was asked about it, they wouldn't say but replied that it would defeat the purpose if we told you what it was we were looking for.

No announcement will be made to the public about what information exactly is being accessed or exactly how much information or what type of information is going to be included in each citizen's security threat file.

What I liked about this segment is that they interviewed General Yevgeni Primakov, who is now a consultant to the Department of Homeland Security along with General Alexander Karpov.

Primakov was laughing about it because he's getting paid a big fee to do it. He doesn't care, of course. Primakov speaks beautiful English, as you would expect a former head of the KGB to do. When he was asked what is this CAPPS II program really about, because obviously even "terrorists" could have credit ratings.

Primakov said that this is one of the steps now being employed along with NICA and new identity upgrade features which are coming to your driver's license. It is being used to get the people used to new types of documentation and carrying new types of identity cards pursuant to the United States instituting a formal policy of internal passports.And he actually used the words "internal passports."

It's like he said and he was pretty knowledgeable. When the NICA (National Identity Card Act) gets passed, the Posse Comitatus Act gets overturned, a few other pieces of legislation yet to be proffered get passed, the White House will have more control over the American people than the Kremlin had over the Russian people when Stalin was alive. He said that and then he laughed.

What Primakov finds funny are what he calls these "right wing flag wavers" that were so anti-communist and now they're supporting a state policy of internal passports.

The irony is deafening.

Old right wing farts -- turn up your hearing aids for the irony is deafening.

Primakov continued by saying that he had been hired as a consultant and he was consulting on other "security" matters, an ongoing policy in various agencies of government (some of these offices haven't even been created yet) to consistently narrow the rights of the American people and to expand the power of government. He professed not to know why, the reason for all this was, other than he admitted that "it doesn't have much to do with 'fighting terrorism.'"

In other words, it's funny that we need a commie to come over here and tell people the truth. And remember its not just any commie, it's the former head of the KGB, who is being (paid) for with taxpayers' money from all the (naive) flag wavers out there.

If you think about it - how ironic this whole thing is. And it's not only Primakov, who was, by the way the last general of the KGB, before the KGB was changed to RFSS. Look who else was hired. There's General Primakov.

Then there's General Karpov, former KGB station chief of their Washington station at their embassy and the first director of the Russian Federal Security Service.

You could call this the "Sovietization of America." Primakov said he can't wait to get on the payroll (he called it the "pay corps," referring to the Heritage Foundation, the PNAC and all the other right wing foundations in the United States) He cant get over how many ex-KGB generals and colonels still want to come over to the United States and become consultants to get on the pay corps.

It has been reported that Nikita Krushchev Jr works for the Heritage Foundation. Another right wing foundation has Elena Stalin. The Old Soviet Brand names are all coming to Washington to get on the gravy train and teach the Bush administration how to further restrict the rights of the American people.

And Primakov is waiting for the USSA, The United Soviet States of America. It'll probably make him feel right at home.

AL MARTIN is America's foremost expert on corporate and government fraud. A relentless whistleblower, he has written a book called, "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider," which chronicles his adventures with the Bush Cabal (National Liberty Press, Order Line: 866-317-1390). This detailed account of government criminal operations, namely State-sanctioned fraud, drug trafficking and illicit weapons sales, is unprecedented in publishing history.

Al Martin is also well known for his great charm and profound insights into world events, and he is frequently interviewed on many talk radio shows across the nation. His weekly column "Behind the Scenes in the Beltway" is published regularly online at Al Martin Raw,

(http://www.almartinraw.com).


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1427370 - 04/04/03 12:48 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I just dont understand how its possible. How are so many Americans so ignorant. I asked this once before, how can the people that are going to enforce these terrorist acts, not understand how evil what they are going is.

Must be the fact that the cops/agents/judges/DA's/etc are just stupid and dont know the law, and the Constitution, or they are all paid off. It has to be a combination of both, oh yea and most Americans dont know anything either. And what they think they know from the TV news is just more of the game and brainwashing used to hope people will accept this.

After reading the information contained in this post how can anyone wonder why as free Americans we MUST own guns.


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: BowlKiller]
    #1427385 - 04/04/03 12:57 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

To Americans: Being a bit smarter, and politically active is a far more effective alternative to taking it upon yourself and your gun to stage a coup.



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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: TheCaptain]
    #1427437 - 04/04/03 01:22 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

What you have said is correct. I can understand why my comment about owning guns can be stretched to mean staging a coup. In other words, I can understand why you used those words.

Of course I do not advocate staging a coup. But the fact of the matter is you have to draw the line somewhere. All I meant to suggest is that at some point force becomes an issue.

How far does the govt. have to go? If something like the patriot act is passed and in conjunction with policies of "homeland security" mentioned above you are told that you are now going to prison because you dont like govt. and you were in a protest. Or your national ID card is swiped and they find out your a member of the NRA, or anything else they dont like. (not illegal, just they dont like it) I mean at that point what are you going to do? Lets say you just stay at home, well when the SWAT team gets there what are you going to do?

I do not want to see anyone killed, I would not like to see a civil war break out. But I ask again where do you draw the line. I dont know how else to say it. Let me try this.

Lets say your Name is Adolf Hitler and you just write articles. So you start writing about every social ill in your country and with your pen you blame these ills on jews. You gain political clout. You come up with the idea that all Jews should wear a star of David. Now if you are a jew should you complain about having to wear this? It is your emblem right? Well, now your Hitler and you are the leader of the land. You want to place Jews in jail. Oh yea not to mention that for the last 7 years you have been pushing for gun control and now all the people in your country do not own guns. At the same time you have been building concentration camps and training your police to round up jews. So, again, if you are a jew should you protest that you are being loaded onto a train? Can you fight back with force, no. Why not? Cause you dont have a gun. Can any rational Germans come to your aid? Why not? Because they do not own guns. As they are putting you into a giant room and you start to smell gas, or you are fourth in a line headed for the furnace can you protest or fight back? NO!

So lets go back to my original question How far does the govt. have to go? Well if you wait too long you will be in a position where you can not fight back in anyway.

The government will not be able to take away all your rights untill you give your guns away. If you understand anything about history, and the constitution you WILL NOT give your guns away, and when they try to take them away.... well I hope I have made the point.



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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: TheCaptain]
    #1427453 - 04/04/03 01:33 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

To Americans: Being a bit smarter, and politically active is a far more effective alternative to taking it upon yourself and your gun to stage a coup.



Ha ha ha ha ..
Coup shmoop!
One well placed .50 caliber round is 10 times more effective than a dozen street protests. How far have all the anti-war protest gotten you? Stand around and sing 'Kumbaya' while locking arms with your fellow 'activists,' does that stop anything? Blow apart a dictators head and he'll never be able to plan another act of tyranny. Coups are so 1900's. Don't try to grab power, make it unattractive to everyone. Get with it, it's a new millennium baby! Read 'Assassination Politics.'


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: Evolving]
    #1427474 - 04/04/03 01:48 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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One well placed .50 caliber round is 10 times more effective than a dozen street protests. How far have all the anti-war protest gotten you? Stand around and sing 'Kumbaya' while locking arms with your fellow 'activists,' does that stop anything? Blow apart a dictators head and he'll never be able to plan another act of tyranny. Coups are so 1900's. Don't try to grab power, make it unattractive to everyone. Get with it, it's a new millennium baby!





your obviosuly not familiar with the life works of Ghandi, DR. Martain luther King jr, jesus, buddah, Socrates, and Joseph Carey Merrick

please educated your self before saying stupid things.


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1427506 - 04/04/03 02:02 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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please educated your self before saying stupid things. 




:smirk:


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1427603 - 04/04/03 02:40 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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please educated your self before saying stupid things.


Bwahahahahahah. We never get a good joke round these parts, thanks.


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: Evolving]
    #1427819 - 04/04/03 04:43 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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One well placed .50 caliber round is 10 times more effective than a dozen street protests. How far have all the anti-war protest gotten you?




When will it ever end?


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: GazzBut]
    #1428077 - 04/04/03 07:20 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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When will it ever end?






perhaps not until the human race is extinct. be it evolution, or nuclear anilation, the end of the human age is all we have to look forward too.


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: BowlKiller]
    #1428418 - 04/04/03 11:31 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Mmm, i see.

My point is though, that while your country is busy being patriotic, your rights are being stripped left and right. Guns have nothing to do with it right now. If this continues- by the time they come to take you away, you wont have any rights left, except to carry your gun. What good is one person with a pistol, or even sub- against the military?
Some ofthe Jews did fight back, while they were locked up in the ghettos, it didnt get them anywhere and public opinion was even less of them (if thats possible) for causing bloodshed.


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: Evolving]
    #1428427 - 04/04/03 11:38 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Im familiar with asasinations and their result on the government that follows... It may sound great, but history has proven that it doesnt work to improve the succeeding government.
Public action on the other hand- when co-ordinated, and implemented like people actually care would probably be the better choice. In North America, we have a problem with taking this to its necessary extent, thats why it doesnt work.


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1428466 - 04/04/03 12:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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your obviosuly not familiar with the life works of Ghandi, DR. Martain luther King jr, jesus, buddah, Socrates, and Joseph Carey Merrick

please educated your self before saying stupid things.



You're obviously not familiar with the work of Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Mao Tse-Tung, Castro... or how to use the spell check feature or the proper use of capital letters.

Please educate yourself before clicking the 'continue' button.


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: TheCaptain]
    #1428564 - 04/04/03 12:51 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Im familiar with asasinations and their result on the government that follows... It may sound great, but history has proven that it doesnt work to improve the succeeding government.



Did you even read the link? Please think about this statement, "Don't try to grab power, make it unattractive to everyone" and relate it to the text of the link provided. History has not proven that Assassination Politics doesn't work because it has never been tried. The way you stop power from being abused is to, 1) take the power away or reduce it drastically, 2)make the use or possesion of such power as unattractive as possible. Traditional political means of protest, letter writing, and attempting to give the same or more power to different people do not address this in any meaningful way. In fact, the country has been continually sliding down the toilet while almost everyone resorts to these methods.


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: TheCaptain]
    #1428636 - 04/04/03 01:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

There are more civilians than there are military. So its not just one person with a pistol. It is many people with handguns are rifles.

Now understand something, seriously I am not suggesting a civil war or something, but again Force is a factor. So, what I am suggesting is that more and more people wage war on the evil empire with the "bullets" of education, activity, and political moves. So my thought is much more than just guns.

You think you have freedom of speech? Lets say someone walks up to you and says shut up! or I will place you in jail. And oh yea this person is armed. So what are you going to do, talk to them and explain to them that you have this freedom? Before you even say anything they will tell you to shut up and sit down. So excerising and understanding your right to own a gun is very much an issue RIGHT NOW.

Listen in other words no one can take your rights away, thus enslave you, if you can fight for yourself.

More and more Americans should be waking up. Everything I am trying to say is more related to the fact that you NEED to educate your self. And if you dont want to be a slave fight back.

I mean you have read the patriot act right? You actually read the above about the USSR, right? I mean doesnt that make you mad, and want to do something, or do you just look at that and think well its all over, oh well, this sucks.

I just dont understand your position.


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1428649 - 04/04/03 01:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

your obviosuly not familiar with the life works of Ghandi, DR. Martain luther King jr, jesus, buddah, Socrates, and Joseph Carey Merrick

Excellent point.

please educated your self before saying stupid things.

A forlorn hope  :grin:


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: GazzBut]
    #1428685 - 04/04/03 01:41 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

When will it ever end?

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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: Evolving]
    #1429133 - 04/04/03 04:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

No historical proof? Sure there is...
In ancient Rome, there was a period (perhaps defining most of their history??) when assasanations and coups made the government ineffective. An emperor or senator does something YOU dont like, so you pay an assasin to kill them was a common theme. Do some searching, maybe look up Tiberius Gracchus. You will find that the people who paid the most to assasins and had the most influence were the richest, and not necessarily had the benefit of the people in their minds. In effect it transformed the government into a rich boy country club.

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Just how would this change politics in America? It would take far less time to answer, "What would remain the same?" No longer would we be electing people who will turn around and tax us to death, regulate us to death, or for that matter sent hired thugs to kill us when we oppose their wishes.




ANY government does things that someone might not like. What if you pissed off Bill Gates by say trust busting Microsoft so that smaller firms benefited? Shit, the man has BILLIONS to hire assasins to kill you.

In effect, this whole "doctrine" would make any political position void. We NEED government, no matter how bad it looks to us sometimes. The problem with government now is the same as it would be inder your link, the wealthy control too much for the common good.


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: BowlKiller]
    #1429147 - 04/04/03 05:04 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

My position is that gun ownership is not going to change political processes. They can, and ARE taking rights away from you without even comming close to touching your gun at this point. People dont care. Theyre waving their little flags and praising America while it chages from under them.

If they come to take you away some day, for whatever reason, it wont be in a mass move. You will be arrested somewhere, taken into a cell, your citizenship revoked, and no one will ever know what happened or see you again. Not even your gun, which is still sitting in your closet.


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Re: Get Ready for the USSA [Re: TheCaptain]
    #1429243 - 04/04/03 05:41 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting times we live in. Who ever thought they'de see the INGSOC revolution actually come to pass? Heh.


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