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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
    #14275720 - 04/11/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Anyone know what's the past tense of shit? Is it shitted or shat?

Merriam-Webster says shat, but I'm not buying it.




It is shat. :yesnod:

I don't really understand why curse words are considered curse words either, it doesn't make any sense.  I guess it is just the intent behind it for the most part, but that only makes sense in some cases.  For example, if you call someone a bitch it's a curse or but if you call a female dog a bitch it's just a description.  Shit has no context in which it is not considered crude at the very least...I guess it has to date back to the origin of the words, and now people just think of them as dirty words because their parents say that they are.  It's pretty amazing how long some curse words have been around really.


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Re: Mierda! [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14275727 - 04/11/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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the connotations are approximately the same as those of shit.




haha i'm glad you were smart enough not to quote the next sentence proceeding that one:

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Terms such as Vete a la mierda (literally: "Go to (the) shit"), however, means to go to hell.





The term "mierda" literally means "shit".


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i'm sorry, but shit and mierda are NOT interchangeable. spanish is my second language and english is my third.


They are basically interchangeable; Spanish is also my second language, and English is my first.


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i can assure you that mierda has FAR MORE meanings than shit, not to mention dozens of more regional colloquialisms.


The term "shit" has a lot of meanings, too, it doesn't always refer to excrement (e.g. "That shit was off the hook!").


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my point is that shit can be offensive depending on its context. "go eat shit and die" is harsher than "go eat excrement/poop/kaka and die". literally, the message is the same. but, due to our socialization as children, we are more likely inclined to have a more extreme connotation attached to "shit."

the OP found censorship to be neurotic by comparing shit to its other synonyms, but i see it as a logical implication of how our general population views profanity.


Do you think the way our general population views profanity is logical, and non-neurotic?


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Re: Mierda! [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14275730 - 04/11/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Anyone know what's the past tense of shit? Is it shitted or shat?

Merriam-Webster says shat, but I'm not buying it.




It is shat. :yesnod:

I don't really understand why curse words are considered curse words either, it doesn't make any sense.  I guess it is just the intent behind it for the most part, but that only makes sense in some cases.  For example, if you call someone a bitch it's a curse or but if you call a female dog a bitch it's just a description.  Shit has no context in which it is not considered crude at the very least...I guess it has to date back to the origin of the words, and now people just think of them as dirty words because their parents say that they are.  It's pretty amazing how long some curse words have been around really.





indeed. curse words are words, too. they have their own distinct meanings and contexts. i think censorship is a bit ironic because it only gives these words more meaning. :lol:


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Re: Mierda! [Re: Poid]
    #14275732 - 04/11/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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meatcakeman said:
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the connotations are approximately the same as those of shit.




haha i'm glad you were smart enough not to quote the next sentence proceeding that one:

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Terms such as Vete a la mierda (literally: "Go to (the) shit"), however, means to go to hell.





The term "mierda" literally means "shit".


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meatcakeman said:
i'm sorry, but shit and mierda are NOT interchangeable. spanish is my second language and english is my third.


They are basically interchangeable; Spanish is also my second language, and English is my first.


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meatcakeman said:
i can assure you that mierda has FAR MORE meanings than shit, not to mention dozens of more regional colloquialisms.


The term "shit" has a lot of meanings, too, it doesn't always refer to excrement (e.g. "That shit was off the hook!").


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meatcakeman said:
my point is that shit can be offensive depending on its context. "go eat shit and die" is harsher than "go eat excrement/poop/kaka and die". literally, the message is the same. but, due to our socialization as children, we are more likely inclined to have a more extreme connotation attached to "shit."

the OP found censorship to be neurotic by comparing shit to its other synonyms, but i see it as a logical implication of how our general population views profanity.


Do you think the way our general population views profanity is logical, and non-neurotic?





No, no, I know, and no.


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Re: Mierda! [Re: Poid]
    #14275736 - 04/11/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Do you think the way our general population views profanity is logical, and non-neurotic?




It wouldn't provide emotional release to swear if society as a whole didn't get all pissy about it. It feels good to swear when you get hurt because it's "naughty." Swearing at someone carries weight because it says "I am angry enough at you to break a social moré while expressing it"

I appreciate society's prudishness in that regard.


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Re: Mierda! [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14275740 - 04/11/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Poid said:
Do you think the way our general population views profanity is logical, and non-neurotic?




It wouldn't provide emotional release to swear if society as a whole didn't get all pissy about it. It feels good to swear when you get hurt because it's "naughty." Swearing at someone carries weight because it says "I am angry enough at you to break a social moré while expressing it"

I appreciate society's prudishness in that regard.




this is exactly what i think. i applaud society's feeble attempt at sugarcoating the world because it only accentuates the sour-bitterness of it all.


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Re: Mierda! [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14275774 - 04/11/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i'm sorry, but shit and mierda are NOT interchangeable. spanish is my second language and english is my third.

Ah well, Spanish is my first language and I don't agree with you. :shrug:

Mierda and shit are the same word.


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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
    #14275786 - 04/11/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've lived around Mexicans my whole life, and they pretty much always mean "shit" when they say "mierda". :thumbup:


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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
    #14275791 - 04/11/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

well someone smart once said the meaning of a word is its use.

so if it is used as profanity then it is profanity. :shrug:


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Re: Mierda! [Re: quinn]
    #14275795 - 04/11/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Mierda is profanity to a Spanish speaker. Kids are admonished whey they say it, as I was when I was a kid. They're supposed to say kaka instead.


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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
    #14275806 - 04/11/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

idk what this conversation is about tbh.

just trying to answer
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So why is one waste product obscene and the others acceptable?




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Re: Mierda! [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14275809 - 04/11/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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No, no, I know, and no.





i don't want to be rude so allow me to elaborate in our shared second language:

si dos palabras pueden tener definiciones diferentes, no son sinonimos. si, es la verdad que la palabra "mierda" y la palabra "shit" tienen definiciones similares, pero "mierda" tiene un sentimiento diferente. lo entiendes? por eso, "shit" y "mierda" son dos cosas muy distintas. dejame a ponerlo en contexto..

"Apurate! Vamos a tener una mierda!"

literalmente, eso significa "C'mon! Let's go have a shit!" en ingles. pero, en contexto, la frasa significa "C'mon! Let's go get fucked up!"


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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
    #14275811 - 04/12/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Mierda is profanity to a Spanish speaker. Kids are admonished whey they say it, as I was when I was a kid. They're supposed to say kaka instead.




not where my family is from. either my parents are lenient, or your parents are strict.

imo, they can mean the same thing, but that is solely dependent upon the context.


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Re: Mierda! [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14275817 - 04/12/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

si, es la verdad que la palabra "mierda" y la palabra "shit" tienen definiciones similares, pero "mierda" tiene un sentimiento diferente.

No se de donde sacastes esa idea. Shit y mierda son exactamente la misma cosa. No hables mierda. :razz:


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Re: Mierda! [Re: Poid]
    #14275819 - 04/12/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I've lived around Mexicans my whole life, and they pretty much always mean "shit" when they say "mierda". :thumbup:




LOL

To say Mexicans speak Spanish is to say a donkey is a horse, imo.


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Re: Mierda! [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14275822 - 04/12/11 12:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That shows me how much you don't have a clue about Spanish or the meaning of the word mierda.


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Re: Mierda! [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14275826 - 04/12/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I guess americans don't speak english then either :rolleyes:


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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
    #14275831 - 04/12/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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si, es la verdad que la palabra "mierda" y la palabra "shit" tienen definiciones similares, pero "mierda" tiene un sentimiento diferente.

No se de donde sacastes esa idea. Shit y mierda son exactamently la misma cosa. No hables mierda. :razz:




LOLOL

me rio de ti. de donde apprendiste tu espanol? que es la palabra "exactamently"? es espanol? jajajaja

en muchas lugares, mierda puede significar muchas cosas... estoy seguro que depende de donde vives.


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Re: Mierda! [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14275832 - 04/12/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I've lived around Mexicans my whole life, and they pretty much always mean "shit" when they say "mierda". :thumbup:




LOL

To say Mexicans speak Spanish is to say a donkey is a horse, imo.


¿Por que dices eso? :justdontknow:


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Re: Mierda! [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14275837 - 04/12/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I guess americans don't speak english then either :rolleyes:




they don't. we speak Standard American Edited English.


for example, americans use the word "addicting," but in England that would grammatically incorrect. the correct way to say that would be "addictive."


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