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Mierda!
#14272022 - 04/11/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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In English, the pattern of pressure waves that make up the word "shit" are an obscenity. But the same word in Spanish, "mierda", is not an obscenity. A TV or radio station transmitting the first pattern of pressure waves can be fined or even shut down, but transmission of the second pattern is no problem.
So is "shit" obscene because it represents an undesirable substance? What about booger or sewage? They're both undesirable, but not obscene.
Maybe it's because "shit" represents a physiologic waste product. But so does "carbon-dioxide" and "sweat". So why is one waste product obscene and the others acceptable?
Seems neurotic to me. What do you think?
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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
#14272067 - 04/11/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think we should all speak Spanish.
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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
#14272136 - 04/11/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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" A rose by any other name.. "
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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
#14272213 - 04/11/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits fart turd and twat.
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Poo wee bonkin' fanny filacio __________ boobs trump crap and twerp. Couldn't think of an alternative to motherfucker.
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I'm reporting both of you to the FCC!
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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
#14272280 - 04/11/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It wasn't me orificer.
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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
#14272334 - 04/11/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: In English, the pattern of pressure waves that make up the word "shit" are an obscenity. But the same word in Spanish, "mierda", is not an obscenity. A TV or radio station transmitting the first pattern of pressure waves can be fined or even shut down, but transmission of the second pattern is no problem.
So is "shit" obscene because it represents an undesirable substance? What about booger or sewage? They're both undesirable, but not obscene.
Maybe it's because "shit" represents a physiologic waste product. But so does "carbon-dioxide" and "sweat". So why is one waste product obscene and the others acceptable?
Seems neurotic to me. What do you think?
Could this be related to onomatopoeia ?
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Seems neurotic to me. What do you think?
I think the policing is neurotic for sure. Examining the inner experience that leads to such external manifestations, not really.
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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
#14273737 - 04/11/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swear words are offensive because they are forbidden and forbidden because they are offensive. There's nothing inherently wrong with them other than society by some process agreeing on them in particular.
"Bloody" for example has no provenance I'm aware of, at some point people just started saying "bloody" and meaning a curse by it. In the same book I read that last fact, I read that in the UK it is on the level of "shit" for offensiveness.
Almost all languages have swear words, it's an interesting topic.
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Seems neurotic to me. What do you think?
I think the policing is neurotic for sure. Examining the inner experience that leads to such external manifestations, not really.
It's cyclical in nature. We've had countless periods of laxness and prudery in history, and I couldn't care less, honestly. It doesn't strike me as a sign of a repressive society or anything.
The fact you can't show tits on television when we all sucked em for life growing up, however...
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Re: Mierda! [Re: Kickle]
#14273756 - 04/11/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Isn't it weird that we allow the word feces and kaka and poop and excrement but not the word shit?
Humans... /me rolls eyes
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Oweyervishice said: Shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits fart turd and twat.
says: Shut your fucking face uncle fucker! 
p.s. This episode fits in well South Park: It hits the fans
Edited by dustinthewind13 (04/11/11 10:12 PM)
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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
#14273821 - 04/11/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Isn't it weird that we allow the word feces and kaka and poop and excrement but not the word shit?
Humans... /me rolls eyes 
Stub your toe and yell "Feces!"
See how much that helps with the pain.
I guess the swearwords are pretty removed from whatever they originally meant.
Side effect, though:
"Asshole" is pretty mild, saying it doesn't really offend anyone unless it's your grandmother.
"Butthole" however, is more obscene. This is because when someone says "butthole" you think of a hairy balloon knot, where "he's an asshole" is now an abstraction.
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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
#14274986 - 04/11/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: In English, the pattern of pressure waves that make up the word "shit" are an obscenity. But the same word in Spanish, "mierda", is not an obscenity. A TV or radio station transmitting the first pattern of pressure waves can be fined or even shut down, but transmission of the second pattern is no problem.
So is "shit" obscene because it represents an undesirable substance? What about booger or sewage? They're both undesirable, but not obscene.
Maybe it's because "shit" represents a physiologic waste product. But so does "carbon-dioxide" and "sweat". So why is one waste product obscene and the others acceptable?
Seems neurotic to me. What do you think?
Firstly, "shit" and "mierda" aren't synonymous. Secondly, "shit" has a far broader contextual use than, say, "poop" or "kaka."
Your comparisons are blatantly biased and filled with an underlying suggestive agenda.
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Anyone know what's the past tense of shit? Is it shitted or shat?
Merriam-Webster says shat, but I'm not buying it.
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Re: Mierda! [Re: Diploid]
#14275322 - 04/11/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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definitely not shitted
dude, I just shitted
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Quote:
meatcakeman said:
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Diploid said: In English, the pattern of pressure waves that make up the word "shit" are an obscenity. But the same word in Spanish, "mierda", is not an obscenity. A TV or radio station transmitting the first pattern of pressure waves can be fined or even shut down, but transmission of the second pattern is no problem.
So is "shit" obscene because it represents an undesirable substance? What about booger or sewage? They're both undesirable, but not obscene.
Maybe it's because "shit" represents a physiologic waste product. But so does "carbon-dioxide" and "sweat". So why is one waste product obscene and the others acceptable?
Seems neurotic to me. What do you think?
Firstly, "shit" and "mierda" aren't synonymous.
Spanish profanity
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Mierda is a term which signifies excrement; the connotations are approximately the same as those of "shit".
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meatcakeman said: Secondly, "shit" has a far broader contextual use than, say, "poop" or "kaka."
Point being?
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Re: Mierda! [Re: Poid]
#14275698 - 04/11/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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meatcakeman said:
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Diploid said: In English, the pattern of pressure waves that make up the word "shit" are an obscenity. But the same word in Spanish, "mierda", is not an obscenity. A TV or radio station transmitting the first pattern of pressure waves can be fined or even shut down, but transmission of the second pattern is no problem.
So is "shit" obscene because it represents an undesirable substance? What about booger or sewage? They're both undesirable, but not obscene.
Maybe it's because "shit" represents a physiologic waste product. But so does "carbon-dioxide" and "sweat". So why is one waste product obscene and the others acceptable?
Seems neurotic to me. What do you think?
Firstly, "shit" and "mierda" aren't synonymous.
Spanish profanity
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Mierda is a term which signifies excrement; the connotations are approximately the same as those of "shit".
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meatcakeman said: Secondly, "shit" has a far broader contextual use than, say, "poop" or "kaka."
Point being?
ok poid. i see you're up to your usual self. let's have at it.
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the connotations are approximately the same as those of shit.
haha i'm glad you were smart enough not to quote the next sentence proceeding that one:
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Terms such as Vete a la mierda (literally: "Go to (the) shit"), however, means to go to hell.
i'm sorry, but shit and mierda are NOT interchangeable. spanish is my second language and english is my third. i can assure you that mierda has FAR MORE meanings than shit, not to mention dozens of more regional colloquialisms. THEY ARE NOT SYNONYMS. so i don't really see why you quoted that.... 
my point is that shit can be offensive depending on its context. "go eat shit and die" is harsher than "go eat excrement/poop/kaka and die". literally, the message is the same. but, due to our socialization as children, we are more likely inclined to have a more extreme connotation attached to "shit."
the OP found censorship to be neurotic by comparing shit to its other synonyms, but i see it as a logical implication of how our general population views profanity.
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