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Cultivation Paranoia
    #14271270 - 04/11/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm between the ages of 30-50 and have never bought, sold or tried an illegal substance in my life. Hell, I didn't even drink before I was 21. I've got a house, a good job and a great family, but recently, I've been tortured by questions about spirituality, the meaning of life, the existence of God. I decided I wanted to take a spiritual trip on psilocybin. This decision was backed up by some solid academic research, and while definitely part of a mid-life crisis, wasn't made on a whim. Since I made this decision, I've felt great. I'm not looking to get high or start long-term use, I just want to learn about myself, and maybe get a glimpse of what lies beyond the veil of our perceptions.

So being in mid-life, and never having used any illegal drugs, of course I don't know any sources. Going up to the kid with long hair standing outside the movie theater would almost certainly lead to my arrest in one way or another, and I live in a state where spores are legal, so I decided the safest easiest route was to grow my own. I read the board a lot, did my homework and started a small growing operation. Last night, I was reading through a thread, and saw the phrase "Mandatory two year sentence" (for my state) and it sent a chill through me. I inoculated 15 jars in total (so I'd have some backups when my first tries failed.) so by some messed up law enforcement logic, they could probably charge me with more than just possession, which is a fifth-degree felony in my state by itself.

I've been careful about keeping things low-key. I paid for spores from a site sponsor with a cash money order, and had them shipped to a PO Box. I paid for things like Perlite, Verm, a digital scale and aquarium supplies with cash. The whole operation is confined to a very smallish locked box in the corner of my basement. The only thing I did which I'm worried might have drawn attention to myself is went around to (and called) a bunch of home & garden stores asking if they sold Geolite. One guy in one of the stores gave me a look like "Ah... you want Geolite... wink, wink." (Probably should have tried to buy from him. :wink: ) I didn't tell my wife exactly what I was up to, only that I was doing "something sketchy and extremely important to me" in the basement, and that it was best for her if she didn't know about it. This is the first thing I've ever concealed from her. We have an otherwise open an honest relationship, and while she certainly wouldn't be on board, she respects that I've tried to use good judgment.

So the incident in the store, combined with my completely as-yet ineffective grow, plus the term "Mandatory 2 year sentence" has me freaking out right now. I'm considering putting my beautiful, but fruitless PF cakes in the garbage disposal, and going back to the stomach-eating stress and disillusionment that I was going through before. Should I be worried? Am I over thinking? I'm looking to the community for either words of encouragement or warnings to stop what I'm doing. I don't want to screw things up for my wife and kids by doing something selfish and stupid, but I don't want to go back to how things were before.

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: mycomyke]
    #14271320 - 04/11/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

chill out.

the cops dont have a 6th sense to detect drug grows, and as long as you arent running around screaming that you grow shrooms nothing bad is going to happen.


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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: mycomyke]
    #14271332 - 04/11/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think you have much to worry about, but if you are freaking out, do this. Bury your cakes under the tree. A shady spot. Water them every day. In a couple of weeks you'll have mush and they won't be growing in your house. For more info search for, "what to do with spent/infected substrates" by hamloaf

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14271354 - 04/11/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just calm down man. Go ahead with your personal grow and don't act sketchy and you'll be fine :mushroom2:

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: mycomyke]
    #14271416 - 04/11/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks guys. I think I really needed that :-)

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: mycomyke]
    #14271461 - 04/11/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol::thumbup:

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: mycomyke]
    #14271482 - 04/11/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with that if you stay careful you should be fine.

You seem correct in not telling anyone (including your significant other) that you're growing shrooms.  I made the huge mistake of telling my best friend and girlfriend, now it seems they have leaked my secret even though I trusted them not to; so my paranoia has been a little high as of late, too.  I think I should be fine as I'm not dealing. I plan on switching to edibles after my first grow finishes fruiting until I get a new place and this friend/girlfriend see that I'm only growing edibles.  From then on, any active growing will be my own business.

There are risks, though, and if you don't think you're willing to pay the price if you do get caught, I'd suggest finding another method.


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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14271483 - 04/11/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Besides. They're much more worried about the guy who grows and sells, than the quiet guy who grows for himself.

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: Unison]
    #14273654 - 04/11/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You want to "get a glimpse of what lies beyond the veil of our perceptions", eh? The whole of your post could be a trip report. What you find of the guy at the store is your literal distortion of reality, for reality just is. What is demanded of you to see it is self-abandonment; you must embrace the possibility that you could be caught. It's that simple. Your distortion/perception demands this specifically revealed by the patterns which define your post. And ya know, so long as you resist that possibility, it'll persist, and the more of the more necessary to its transcendence is demanded (nevertheless being the same leap to take). I.e., damming it may result in you telling your wife for instance, which may just be what you need to proceed peacefully, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll tell the over-the-counter guy what you're planning on doing.

Hopefully made myself sufficiently clear. These type of thing is characteristic of the mushroom experience and life, and is through it that you'll be taught: in the psychedelic space you may just have to deal with death forcing itself on you (seemingly, though exceedingly convincingly), or accepting the possibility that you're in fact mad.

I'll let you in on a cosmic secret: there is nothing, NOTHING you could ever do that is not love, and therefore, everything as such being, you can do nothing wrong. Trust yourself.

Happy trails! :smile:

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: Comcouveflor]
    #14273888 - 04/11/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Really think unless you are selling, you have nothing to worry about... Police have better things to do.... Besides having to prove you knew you were growing magic mushrooms, and that those indeed are... Seems to not be a high priority in law enforcent....  Meth, crack, even pot would be more in their radar... I hear what your saying but look at your neighbors.. do you really know what is going on in their homes?  Privacy.

So.. chill out...

If you still feel paranoid.... I would bail on the project though.... That is no way to live

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: HarryL]
    #14274071 - 04/11/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would relax man you have nothing to worry about. No one knows an by the way you describe your lifestyle it doesn't seem like anyone would even ponder the things your concerned about. Your making them for yourself not dealing them so you should be fine. Mother nature has ways of helping an showing us things we can't understand. Eating you shroomies might explain some things to you.

I for 4 years had terrible anxiety and depression so bad I couldn't go out in public. I researched and researched and discovered LSD. I did it and felt like a a completely changed person the next day and havnt gone back to my old fears. This is not to say physcedelics will do what I just described.


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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: mycomyke]
    #14274162 - 04/11/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey Mycomyke, I feel like I am reading the story of my life with your post. Wow.  It sounds like you have taken good precautions, no one knows what you are doing, and you are an island unto yourself.  You've thoroughly researched and seem damn careful.  15 jars inoculated?  That's enough to meet God and have a psychotic episode afterwards.

I hope psychedelics help you find what you are looking for.  Be careful chasing that rabbit because you might drive yourself mad trying to catch the fucker. 


Hint:(You'll never catch it, there are no answers - only hucksters claiming they have them.)


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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: mycomyke]
    #14274350 - 04/11/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey, mycomyke:

Pretty sure I remember reading your first few posts and I'm not surprised you've moved on to your own cultivation effort.  All your precautions sound fine, so I agree with everyone else here...please continue.

That having been said, I have the following advice I hope you will take to heart to avoid ANY complications:

1)  Tell NO ONE.  Not a soul.  Period.
2)  Watch what you discard, and how you discard it.
3)  Grow only as much as your "immediate" needs dictate.  15 jars sounds a bit much...but I have no idea if that's pints or quarts and if you are going to use them with a bulk substrate.  Your setup and equipment list leads me to believe you're starting with brown rice and doing the PF tek.  A little tough to hide in later stages.
4)  If you end up with more than you bargained for, resist the temptation to give away or sell any.  Just DO NOT do it.  If you lose control over how and who uses them, their error or miscalculation WILL come back to haunt you.
5)  If you want to trip with friends and be the provider of the goods (I hate to say it) LIE about the source.  Do not divulge to anyone that you grew them.  That's MANUFACTURE, and is very often an added and steeper penalty than just simple possession.  Just tell your friends you bought them and that's all there is.  Never let on there are more in your home.

Others will say the foregoing is a bit extreme.  I disagree.  When you have a family, a job, a home and resources to protect from ridiculous and draconian laws, there is no such thing as too careful.  In the long run, this is by far the best policy.

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: mycomyke]
    #14275541 - 04/11/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i'm 45, similar life situation, similar non-history of drug use before mushrooms coming up on 5 years now. similar paranoia about lots to lose.

i did 2 cubensis grows, with miserably meagre results and terrible paranoia the whole time. then i realized that indeed, the stuff grows locally, so i got to hunting. and i discarded the whole "drug lab"--what a relief! after about 30 hours searching over 2 seasons, i found my first. let me tell you, that's a rush! since then, i've never lacked. i don't know why i bothered with growing in the first place.

i'm still paranoid sometimes, hunting. it's become almost part of the fun, though. for a few weeks a year, there's material in plain sight drying in the most obscure part of the house, with a fan running. all other times, nothing.

is this maybe an option for you?

if you're prone to paranoia, so much so that even your wife doesn't know, i foresee some trouble with paranoia while under the influence. i absolutely require the knowledge and support of my spouse in using this medicine. can't imagine it being secret, since it churns up a lot of issues i need to work on in my marriage. she doesn't use herself, but she sees how it helps me be a better husband and father, so is on board. i hope you can arrive at a similar openness someday.

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14275632 - 04/11/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Growing in your basement and tripping (assuming here) in your house is not going to cause any problems. Seriously dude, you're fine imo.


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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: mycomyke]
    #14275656 - 04/11/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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mycomyke said:
I'm between the ages of 30-50 and have never bought, sold or tried an illegal substance in my life. Hell, I didn't even drink before I was 21. I've got a house, a good job and a great family, but recently, I've been tortured by questions about spirituality, the meaning of life, the existence of God. I decided I wanted to take a spiritual trip on psilocybin. This decision was backed up by some solid academic research, and while definitely part of a mid-life crisis, wasn't made on a whim. Since I made this decision, I've felt great. I'm not looking to get high or start long-term use, I just want to learn about myself, and maybe get a glimpse of what lies beyond the veil of our perceptions.

So being in mid-life, and never having used any illegal drugs, of course I don't know any sources. Going up to the kid with long hair standing outside the movie theater would almost certainly lead to my arrest in one way or another, and I live in a state where spores are legal, so I decided the safest easiest route was to grow my own. I read the board a lot, did my homework and started a small growing operation. Last night, I was reading through a thread, and saw the phrase "Mandatory two year sentence" (for my state) and it sent a chill through me. I inoculated 15 jars in total (so I'd have some backups when my first tries failed.) so by some messed up law enforcement logic, they could probably charge me with more than just possession, which is a fifth-degree felony in my state by itself.

I've been careful about keeping things low-key. I paid for spores from a site sponsor with a cash money order, and had them shipped to a PO Box. I paid for things like Perlite, Verm, a digital scale and aquarium supplies with cash. The whole operation is confined to a very smallish locked box in the corner of my basement. The only thing I did which I'm worried might have drawn attention to myself is went around to (and called) a bunch of home & garden stores asking if they sold Geolite. One guy in one of the stores gave me a look like "Ah... you want Geolite... wink, wink." (Probably should have tried to buy from him. :wink: ) I didn't tell my wife exactly what I was up to, only that I was doing "something sketchy and extremely important to me" in the basement, and that it was best for her if she didn't know about it. This is the first thing I've ever concealed from her. We have an otherwise open an honest relationship, and while she certainly wouldn't be on board, she respects that I've tried to use good judgment.

So the incident in the store, combined with my completely as-yet ineffective grow, plus the term "Mandatory 2 year sentence" has me freaking out right now. I'm considering putting my beautiful, but fruitless PF cakes in the garbage disposal, and going back to the stomach-eating stress and disillusionment that I was going through before. Should I be worried? Am I over thinking? I'm looking to the community for either words of encouragement or warnings to stop what I'm doing. I don't want to screw things up for my wife and kids by doing something selfish and stupid, but I don't want to go back to how things were before.



If I were you, if I were growing mushrooms and I were paranoid about what I were doing, I wouldn't have made this post. Seems like you overlooked the fact that you are essentially telling probably thousands of people what you are doing. Not that they know where you live or who you are. But for me just the idea that my words are on record on some internet server and searchable on google by anybody....That would freak me out the most. As long as you aren't telling anyone, you don't have anything to worry about.
I don't mean to get you worried or anything. You're fine man. Tons of people talk about their grows here.
But think about it...You are paranoid about your grow. It might be smart not to talk about it. Including the internet if you ask me.

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: mycomyke]
    #14275702 - 04/11/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: Johnny Depp]
    #14276545 - 04/12/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Johnny Depp said:
You can't keep that secret from your wife.  If you get busted she's going to be in trouble too.  Also, what if she finds the mushrooms and eats some thinking that they are normal edibles? 

If she's not cool with it then you shouldn't be cultivating.  And if she just can't keep a secret then you also shouldn't be cultivating.

Anyway, other than that, yeah, you're just paranoid.




Well, that's my circumstance - wife doesn't know about my DMT, LSD or mushroom grow (thing of the past since discovering DMT) not because she wouldn't approve, but because she gets a few drinks in her and is a blabbermouth.

Nobody's going to bust me for personal use no one knows about, so that's a moot point.  My 26 year old son trip-sits me, and HE can absolutely can be trusted to keep his trap shut - he likes the psychedelics too, and has a very good future ahead of him, so he's 100% on-board with keeping secrets.

W/R/T on-line disclosures...you should be using TOR or some other IP scrambling software 100% of the time to access this site.  NOTHING should be kept on your computer hard drive (grow pix, etc) unless encrypted.  I recommend TrueCrypt.  Its FREE and its AWESOME.

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14277883 - 04/12/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Some very good answers here. I agree with the thing about the wife, but then only you know her well enough to know if you can trust her. Have you tried your hand at growing oysters or some other gourmet shrooms as well? People who don't know much about mushrooms won't be able to tell the difference in your grow jars or fruit chambers. Just an idea.

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Re: Cultivation Paranoia [Re: magickpsychonaut]
    #14278767 - 04/12/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sure!  We love gourmet mushrooms.  Have had much success with oysters, less with Shiitake.  :shrug:

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