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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker *DELETED* [Re: RoastedPete]
    #14271326 - 04/11/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: Patlal]
    #14271376 - 04/11/11 09:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: Patlal]
    #14271407 - 04/11/11 09:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If you want to take this hobby to the next level, you need to invest in a pressure cooker.



...while this is true, OP's asking about casings, which should be pasteurized not sterilized. So no, a pressure cooker is not necessary for casings.

Mix your casing ingredients up, hydrate to field capacity, bag or jar it all up, place in water bath and heat until the center of the bag to 160° for 90 minutes.

That being said, cubensis (which i assume you're growing) doesn't even require a casing layer and doesn't particularly benefit from one.


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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: Patlal]
    #14271452 - 04/11/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Boozie said:
...while this is true, OP's asking about casings,



...while this is true, i think op does not use the right terms;

i think he refers to growing bulk in trays.

@op:
without a pc your chances are little to achieve what you are interested in.

you can prepare jars in the oven, and with being a little lucky you wont get contams, but...
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If you want to take this hobby to the next level, you need to invest in a pressure cooker.





if im wrong, then what i said above is void.


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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: Luger0815]
    #14271478 - 04/11/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes you can.  Microwave on high for 10 minutes, take it out, let it cool, then put in for another 10 minutes.  I have always done it this way, as taught by one of the old schoolers on this site.  Rattlesnake or something like that.


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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14271494 - 04/11/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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higgledy-piggledy said:
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Boozie said:
...while this is true, OP's asking about casings,



...while this is true, i think op does not use the right terms;

i think he refers to growing bulk in trays.

@op:
without a pc your chances are little to achieve what you are interested in.

you can prepare jars in the oven, and with being a little lucky you wont get contams, but...





What if he is just gonna crumble some cakes to something.. like coir :shrug:
You dont need a PC for that.

What are you growing that you want a casing layer?


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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14271504 - 04/11/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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higgledy-piggledy said:
...while this is true, i think op does not use the right terms;

i think he refers to growing bulk in trays.



Ah, true, i misunderstood, my fault. In that case, you're gonna need a pressure cooker regardless, OP. You have to sterilize the grain, there's really no way around it. The substrate (coir, manure, etc.) and casing mixes (50/50+, etc.) are pasteurized though. So that can be done without a PC.

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What if he is just gonna crumble some cakes to something.. like coir
You dont need a PC for that.



That's true too, and it will work. But cakes will perform better as cakes, rather than crumbling and spawning to coir or manure. That's what grain is for.


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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: esquaredx]
    #14271528 - 04/11/11 10:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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What if he is just gonna crumble some cakes to something.. like coir :shrug:
You dont need a PC for that.



to grow, you will need sterilized spawn either way.

obviously the op wants to sterilize his casing mix (and didnt know that its not necessary).

so why didnt he just steam sterilize his mix like he did with his jars (in a pot or whatever)?

then he wouldnt ask if a pc is needed.

thats why i think he is talking about bulk growing and not casing in the proper sense.



but he will tell us... sooner or later.


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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14271606 - 04/11/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for all the quick responses, I stepped away for breakfast and came back to more than I was expecting! :thumbup:


I was thinking about trying my hand at some Ps.Mexicana's and anything else that might prove to be an interesting experiment, and when I say casings, I am referring to mixes such as 50/50+, not so much straw. I do apologize for my lack of correct terminology--I am still pretty new to all of this :].

@ Boozie

The method for oven baking the casing mix, that would be for a 50/50 style?

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higgledy-piggledy said:
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esquaredx said:
What if he is just gonna crumble some cakes to something.. like coir :shrug:
You dont need a PC for that.



to grow, you will need sterilized spawn either way.

obviously the op wants to sterilize his casing mix (and didnt know that its not necessary).

so why didnt he just steam sterilize his mix like he did with his jars (in a pot or whatever)?

then he wouldnt ask if a pc is needed.

thats why i think he is talking about bulk growing and not casing in the proper sense.



but he will tell us... sooner or later.




I am talking about non-bulk, sorry for not making that clear. I have been under the assumption that casing mixes needed to be sterilized, so I asked all of this to get a good idea of what I am going to be needed to do for this upcomming project.


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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: RoastedPete]
    #14271767 - 04/11/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

are you doing BRF? brown rice flour/verm/water? bulk is done with seeds and uses 50/50 or other ratios you speak of but if you're doing cakes, all you need to do is watch the videos at:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek

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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: OneU]
    #14271808 - 04/11/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

^^^

I've got an identical set up, based entirely on that video series :]

The next project is casings. Anything like a 50/50 + birdseed/ grain... Then all of that is going into the FC.


I was thinking of trying a PF to casing though, as an experiment. I read a tek for it, and think it may be a more efficient means to handle my cakes. The humidity levels are all over the place even with constant misting. A casing layer may help keep conditions a bit more stable in the tub.


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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: RoastedPete]
    #14271937 - 04/11/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

do you have pics? is there a fan to the tub? what is your misting schedule like? holes? so many factors brother. pics would be really nice and attracts the attention of the very experienced who don't have time to read but can see :wink:


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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: RoastedPete]
    #14272008 - 04/11/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14090418

That is thread I made for that grow. The casings will probably be going in that tub, and treated the same way. Misting happens about 4 times a day, fanning happens as many times as I can get around to it. There is also a fan set up beside the tub, but I do not run it often, because it would probably dry it out too fast--so I fear.

But again, what I am asking is for a future project that is being planned. What is going on in that tub is going as well as it possibly could for a first attempt. I am expecting my first flush by the end of this week


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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: RoastedPete]
    #14272140 - 04/11/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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... and when I say casings, I am referring to mixes such as 50/50+, not so much straw. I do apologize for my lack of correct terminology



no need to apologize, absolutely correct terminology.

i jumped to the conclusion, that you are mixing up terms,  :sorry: .

often people who are new to this use to do it.


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I was thinking about trying my hand at some Ps.Mexicana's and anything else that might prove to be an interesting experiment,...



good luck to you sir.


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Re: Can I Make a Casing w/o a Pressure Cooker [Re: RoastedPete]
    #14273635 - 04/11/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

^^^
Good to know that I am using the right terms, I got awfully confused for a moment. Thanks for the input though, you have me thinking about bulk casings now! :smile:


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