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Stopwhispering
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: elprawn]
#14270969 - 04/11/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: I believe that I read somewhere that the concentration of amatoxins in G. marginata is high enough to be harmful even at such low amounts. It was in this forum here somewhere and I can't vouch for the validity of said statement, but it's not soemething I'd want to take chances with, either and had I eaten even a small bit of a cap I'd put myself under medical observation asap no matter what.
I kind of lean towards troll on this post tbh, having "TL;DR > scroll down" at the start of it seems to point that way, at least I hope so...>.< If not definately take the advice given above, and as much as eating an unidentified mushroom is beyond idiocy, best of luck.
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shroomzi8
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: Stopwhispering]
#14270980 - 04/11/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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either he's really daft for doing it, or really daft for trolling. its not looking good is it? time for a roll of padded wallpaper and a bowl of mashed banana. (also a crash helmet and bunny-slippers). "are you mentally divergent, friend?"
mahalos
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German Kahuna
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: shroomzi8]
#14270998 - 04/11/11 07:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I am quite sure it's a troll thread by now. The links, the photos, the composition, knowledge of the "which-mushrooms" page, the use of "shroomerites" and "TL;DR". All that on the first post in which they tell us they ate random mushrooms that happened to be G. marginata. That's a bit too rich. It just doesn't add up.
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tizjack
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: shroomzi8]
#14271003 - 04/11/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does look a bit suspicious doesn't it. Although if it is a troll, his post has been thought out very well. None the less, i think everyone should assume it's real and give real advice in the uncertain case that the person has ingested a toxic mushroom.. :/
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German Kahuna
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: tizjack]
#14271016 - 04/11/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Agreed. I would have deleted or locked this thread a long time ago if I didn't feel the same way.
-------------------- "Vegetarian" [ /ˌvedʒəˈteəriən/] - Ancient slang meaning "village idiot who can't hunt, fish or ride".
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elprawn
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: German Kahuna]
#14271196 - 04/11/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think I read somewhere that troll livers contain an enzyme which safely metabolises amatoxins into compounds important in the creation of verbal diarrhoea.
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aeromast
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: German Kahuna]
#14271207 - 04/11/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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he woke up at 5 apparently sweating and threw up a few times.
Still has stomach discomfort.
Should we head to a hospital? The amounts ingested were minute. What one could fit on a fingertip. he confessed he tried to smoke some of what he took. Is that just as/more dangerous?
I was clearly ignorant of the poisonous mushrooms in Maryland. And no, Im not trolling..
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aeromast
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
#14271215 - 04/11/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I only posted as much and in depth because my girlfriend was freaking out all night. The picture was a coincidence from google in a frantic searching bout.
Tearing my hair out, here. Should I call poison control to make sure? head to rockville emergency?
Anyone?
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elprawn
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
#14271216 - 04/11/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd go to hospital.
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LanLord
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
#14271218 - 04/11/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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aeromast said: I only posted as much and in depth because my girlfriend was freaking out all night. The picture was a coincidence from google in a frantic searching bout.
Tearing my hair out, here. Should I call poison control to make sure? head to rockville emergency?
Anyone?
As previously stated, get him and a sample of the mushrooms to a hospital at once. This is potentially a medical emergency.
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elprawn
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: elprawn]
#14271220 - 04/11/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wait, hang on... the pictures you posted aren't even the mushrooms that you picked?
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Feelers
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
#14271239 - 04/11/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If that's the case take him to hospital. Tell him that experienced identifiers have given a best guess, and they concluded that he very well could have eaten a deadly-poisonous mushroom. Even if he feels better the poison may still be destroying his liver, and he could need a liver transplant a few further days down the track.
Get the fuck to a doctor, and take samples of all the mushrooms with you. Would you rather be cautious or dead? Ask him, I'm sure he'll make the right decision.
Go, NOW.
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mrckb
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
#14271247 - 04/11/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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aeromast said: he confessed he tried to smoke some of what he took.

and yes. Hospital please.
Edited by mrckb (04/11/11 09:10 AM)
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vjp
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: Feelers]
#14271248 - 04/11/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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" Eating as little as two ounces of an amatoxin-containing mushroom like Amanita phalloides can lead to liver failure and death (Arora, 1986, 893). Typically, symptoms are delayed for 6-12 hours after the mushrooms have been eaten, after which the victim experiences fairly severe abdominal cramping, vomiting, and diarrhea. These symptoms are sometimes severe enough that the victim seeks medical attention--but not always.
The next stage of amatoxin poisoning is particularly insidious, and its existence probably accounts for many of the fatalities: There is a period of apparent remission, in which the victim feels better. This period can last for two to three days, and the victim may well decide that medical attention is no longer required. During this period of false remission, however, the victim's liver is being destroyed by the amatoxins. By the time liver failure occurs, there are few options remaining aside from a liver transplant, as in the article at the top of this page. Without a transplant, death occurs within a few days.
No antidote exists for the amatoxins. If doctors are able to detect the poisons quickly, within a few hours of injestion, measures such as pumping the stomach or administering charcoal may be effective. There is evidence that high doses of penicillin may help to inhibit the absorption of amatoxins in animals, but human results are still unclear (Chang, 2002). Sadly, however, doctors don't often have these options available to them because the patient is typically admitted into treatment after the false remission period, when it is too late.
Given the lethal nature of amatoxins, and the fact that initial symptoms are abdominal cramping, vomiting, and diarrhea, anyone who experiences these symptoms after eating wild mushrooms should take them very seriously. Far better to seek medical attention that turns out to be unnecessary than to miss your one medical chance to keep amatoxins away from your liver. Those who eat wild mushrooms should also remember the false remission period involved with amatoxins; if you have, for example, self-diagnosed a minor mushroom poisoning, you might easily decide you are "better"--then suddenly be faced with the necessity of a liver transplant, and only a few hours to find a liver! In short, see a doctor immediately when you suspect even the possibility of mushroom poisoning."
From this thread
Your first picture looks like you could have two different species and one of them resembles Galerina marginata.
We need pictures of the actual samples eaten/smoked.
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Feelers said: Would you rather be cautious or dead? Ask him, I'm sure he'll make the right decision.
The answer seems obvious, but, he did eat/smoke random mushrooms.
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aeromast
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
#14271255 - 04/11/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Will you people be able to positively ID it if I take a picture of it growin from the tree?
wait, holy hell its that bad? getting the girlfriend off work now so we can take him in..
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aeromast
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
#14271259 - 04/11/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The blurry ones are the pictures I took. Only the two.
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Feelers
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: Feelers]
#14271265 - 04/11/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Facing the possible reality of an excruciating death can be just the kick in the pants someone needs.
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vjp
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
#14271268 - 04/11/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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aeromast said: Will you people be able to positively ID it if I take a picture of it growin from the tree?
wait, holy hell its that bad? getting the girlfriend off work now so we can take him in..
If you get good quality pictures of the gills, stems, and caps than we can ID them. If you can do this within a short amount of time (an hour or so) it might be worth waiting - hospital bills can be a bitch. A lot of mushrooms can make you throw up and feel sick - that doesn't mean they are deadly - he will just feel like shit for a while.
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Feelers
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: Feelers]
#14271273 - 04/11/11 09:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If it's growing from a tree - it is even more likely to be the BAD one. Is it a dead tree?
Re-reading your post you say a rotting log. Just take him to hospital. Do you have the samples ready to take with you?
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thenpc
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: Feelers] 2
#14271291 - 04/11/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Darwinism.
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