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LanLord
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: Locky]
#14302727 - 04/16/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Locky said: The milk thislte, is nothing more than a myth. in my opinion, but you can try :P i think cow milk would have a better effect :/
HAHA the sponcer link has changed: shop for: milk thistle extract. Its a sign from god! (must now buy milk thistle!)
You are absolutely wrong on this.
There is documented cases where it has stopped the damage long enough for a bile duct drainage shunt to remove all the (or most of the) amatoxins with people that ate death caps and other amatoxin containing mushrooms.
They are not a cure, just a protective layer that gives doctors that necessary time to enact the protocols necessary to remove the toxin.
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: LanLord]
#14302780 - 04/16/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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true... silymarin is mainly use as a protection for the liver. It also helps regenerate itself, but unfortunately It won't get the amatoxin out of your system.
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Locky
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: LanLord]
#14302821 - 04/16/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes I thought we were talking about lactura... Not silybum.
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: Locky]
#14302868 - 04/16/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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sorry, I thought milk thistle is what you called silybum, my bad  I'll check that out though.
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: pouihi]
#14302910 - 04/16/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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well milk thistle is in fact Silybum, the plant containing silymarin, the substance that helps regenerate the liver.
Lactura is actually a genus of bugs, so I'd be thankful if you'd care to explain.
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: pouihi]
#14302993 - 04/16/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lactura virosa. Is also known as prickly lettace. It contains a sedditive.
Silybum, milk thistle. This is what your talking about. I thought you guys where talking about lactura.
My bad. Sorry...
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: Locky]
#14304816 - 04/17/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's actually LactuCa (not Ra) that's probably why I didn't find it, but at first glimpse I read something as similar effects as opium??? Interesting... I'll have to look into that
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: pouihi]
#14304972 - 04/17/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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so, all the "milk thistle" stuff aside, what actually happened with the OP and the GF's little bro?
Did this turn out to be a trolling event or was it a real slow-motion tragedy unwinding before our very eyes?
While I don't like trolls at all, and this place seems to be such a good resource for assistance in knowledge and identification, trolling would sorta piss me off, the possibility that someone actually got a hold of such a horrible toxin makes my sorta hope the OP was just kidding.
Any updates?
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
#14305057 - 04/17/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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aeromast said: On topic:

We rushed to holy cross hospital on Monday and were immediately brought to the ER. Waited in the ER, while a clumsy male nurse tried to IV Dylan. After nine hours and three different doctors trying their hand at describing the examples to poison control, one doctor took her phone out and snapped some pics. An hour later the yellow mushrooms were positively identified as galerina marinata and we were brought upstairs for flushing.
Blood draws every six hours and miscommunication between the on duty doctors made for a rough stay. Dylan experienced stages one to three[sick again after a seemed recovery?]
We are just getting home now after being discharged. There is a return appointment on the 19th.
The picture was taken before we left. I have more for you guys. Pictured is the IV with the sample of galerina on top of it. Sorry its sideways.
Thank you for all the well wishing. It was greatly appreciated.
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: pouihi]
#14305230 - 04/17/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Holy smokes, I missed that update.
That's a horrible thing for anyone to have to go through, I am certainly glad that it appears they caught the toxin in time.
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: LanLord]
#14305360 - 04/17/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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isnt april 19th bicycle day?
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: w11b0y]
#14305410 - 04/17/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, its my Birthday.
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: SmokeaJoint]
#14308714 - 04/17/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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holy shit what a story!!
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trigger
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: SHRAMANN]
#14309054 - 04/17/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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with all in all, to the op aero, your a fuck and your gf a fuck, and you should be banned from here.
you picked a deadly mushroom and it got into someones belly.. well i am sure you picked it and thought it was magic or might be..(left it laying around) well thats cool... and the person who ate the deadly mushroom i am sure he trusted you, i bet he thought you knew how to find magic....he ate that mushroom because he trusted you and what you told him, i am not saying you told him to eat it, i believe your story, yeah you know i am right, and..you almost fucking killed them with your negligence. unintentional manslaughter bro that's what they call it and your a fuck!
i hope you learned something more than a bit of mycology
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Edited by trigger (04/17/11 09:27 PM)
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: trigger] 1
#14309288 - 04/17/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You oughta chill man. If they collected them and he was wanting to post for an ID and his buddy ate them anyway then you can't blame the guy. No sense in getting pissed at someone else's choice that in no way, shape, or form affects you. I just ripped ass and it reeks, guess I should be banned too eh? Hit a sparrow today as well, little shit flew right in front of me, it lived but if I wasn't driving then it's life would've never been in peril.
I know those aren't comparable to a human life, but I doubt it was intention, it's not like he sold them to someone. If anything he's contributed to the knowledge of this community and brought the insight to getting a positive ID prior to ingestion.
Troll.
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: fngbronco]
#14310606 - 04/18/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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well i guess i was venting a bit..
let me reiterate
galerina marinata is lethal, like a loaded gun hidden in a Easter egg. areo and his gf left a loaded gun in a easter egg near a younger person. the younger kid, looks at areo as a peer, well areo and gf brag about easter eggs and how cool they are,,well lil man finds loaded egg laying around and caps him self in the chest and almost dies....
i have kids, and if anyone left galerina marinata in reach of my son, id cap there ass...
areo would be charged with manslaughter if brought to court, no doubt!
its not ohhh he didn't know,,,its he didn't care, and when him and his girl fucked up they blamed there mistake on a younger individual.
reason he should be banned, he almost killed a kid with his neglectful actions, he does not take blame, accully blames the kid for eatin "candy covered death shrooms" that he left around. as a gun dealer it would be illegal and immorally wrong to give this guy another gun, or "teach him about guns" i would not want this on my conscious, this form is an organization, and with that we have a responsibility to ensure that guns get sorted from candy and sort irresponsible neglectful careless individuals from those who can wield a gun and eat there candy.
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Edited by trigger (04/18/11 06:56 AM)
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: trigger]
#14310619 - 04/18/11 06:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: Locky]
#14311129 - 04/18/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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K now that you put it that way I do agree. It's a more logical argument for sure tho banning would prevent him from getting identification in the future.
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: fngbronco]
#14311262 - 04/18/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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the way in witch areo wrote the op shows he finds no fault or ether his "temperamental" girl friend, shows no fault in the matter, when they are fully responsible for the poisoning. the kid wouldn't have picked/consumed them in the wild, or he wouldn't have eaten them from the counter table unless he though they were magic.
with knowledge comes responsibility.
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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: trigger] 1
#14311375 - 04/18/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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aeromast said: My girlfriend picked some from each group we saw and brought them home, hoping we may get lucky. One cap of each was ingested /accidentally?/ by my girlfriends younger brother, who assumed the same thing we did.
You don't even know the age of the people in this story, I understand the analogy since a mushroom could be even more deadly than a gun, but who doesn't know what's a gun and what does it do? I think it was obvious, none of them knew what they were doing, or anything about mushrooms for that matter (so yes they shouldn't have been doing it but I think we're pass that already).
Due to this he has been reprehended, made fun of, etc but worst of all was what he probably endured thinking what would happen to the boy.
Most of all imagine what indeed would have happened if he didn't do anything and just let things as they were, but no he at least had the good sense to look for someone who could help, and he found that help here, you guys helped to save a fella 
Why don't you at least try giving him a chance before banning immediately?
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