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Ingested without knowledge/help ID please?
    #14270593 - 04/11/11 03:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Today seemed a good day for a walk in the densely wooded Maryland park near my house so my girlfriend and I went for one. We happenned across what seem to be three different kinds of Mushrooms. My girlfriend picked some from each group we saw and brought them home, hoping we may get lucky. One cap of each was ingested /accidentally?/ by my girlfriends younger brother, who assumed the same thing we did.

Now Ive got a furious, tempermental girlfriend who wants to know for sure if her little mushroom napper of a brother is going to die [or not...] I assured her that there was probably nothing to worry about, and after extinguishing most of the internet resources that I could find, I come to you, humble Shroomerites.

I checked out  This article from The Puffball and didnt find any too alarming coincidences.

I also looked over the Which-psilocybin-mushrooms-grow-wild-in-my-area page, and found some similarities I will talk about below.

First off were these:

1. Found on a shaded, rotting fallen tree in small clusters.
2. The cluster of three in the center of the blurry photo is approx. 1 to 1 1/2 inches long.
3. The gills seem attatched and are a very similar colour to the cap/stem.
4. The stems are hollow and were smooth before they dried.
5. The print seems to be brownish but the cap only sat for an hour.
6. No noticeable smell.
7. The largest pictured cap was about the diameter of a nickel.
8. Not fragile; dropped some and no breaking or bends.
9. Witnessed no bruising.

They appeared exactly like the smaller mushrooms in this picture.

The second of the three was these odd lookin fellows:

1. These were found on the shady side of a large tree under some overgowth in a large cluster of 20 to 30.
2. Most were approx. 6 to 7 inches without caps.
3. The gills are a darker brown than the caps and are attatched.
4. The stalks are hollow and appear to have lines going down them.
5. The print is dark grey to black.
6. Earthy smell.[hey, Im trying.]
7. The caps are on average slightly smaller than a silver dollar, 1 to 3 inch drooping.
8. Fragile caps, stalks tore easily and caps broke in many places just from transporting gently in a paper bag.
9. Witnessed no bruising, gentle pinching caused stalks to break.

My girlfriend who picked these said they resemble these mushrooms except were much closer together. Found very close to the waters edge.


The last of the three are slightly larger than the first mushrooms and for whatever reason, my phone wont send the picture.

1. Dark brown to black caps with yellow to light brown stalks found on a decaying log.
2. 2 to 4 inches tall.
3. The gills are similar to cap colour and are attatched.
4. The stalks are stringy and easily bent.
5. Spore print seems jet black.
6. No noticeable smell.
7. The caps were dark brown to black and they were similar to the size of a dime.
8. Didnt seem fragile to the touch, but were very wet.
9. Witnessed no bruising.

They were very similar to these mushrooms except mine have much thinner stalks.

Ill try to get the actual photo of mysterious number 3 tomorrow.


Thanks for any help in advance and for taking the time to read this. :thumbup:

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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
    #14270609 - 04/11/11 03:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Your second set look to be Coprinellus micaceus, this is just a guess though. 

The first set I have no idea tbh.

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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
    #14270611 - 04/11/11 03:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Generally, if it's been after 24 hours and noone is vomitting their insides out, you got lucky :wink:
Not sure what the first is, but isn't the picture that you "think" it looked like a Galerina!? :eek:
The second is a Coprinus micaceus, I think.

But seriously, your friend is fucking stupid.


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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
    #14270614 - 04/11/11 03:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ok dont follow my advice,
Second pic looks like a harmless mushroom, I have picked ones that look like them before, fragile stem, same cap etc etc

First pic looks like it could be harmfull, i guess,

Not sure bout thr last one though....


But remember dont take any of what i said into consideration


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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: daz01]
    #14270616 - 04/11/11 03:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

your g/f brother is a tit. all mushrooms are edible. some only once.

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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: shroomzi8]
    #14270618 - 04/11/11 03:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Good advice shroomz.


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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
    #14270653 - 04/11/11 03:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

First off, he will probably get diarrhea. But you generally live from that. Lots of different mushrooms will do VERY strange things if you don't cook them, but you'll live. What you need to worry about are amatoxins, which lay dormant for 3-5 days and then stop the liver and kidneys from functioning. A juice/veg smoothie fast may be a good idea until everything is sorted out.

The ink cap looks a bit like Coprinopsis Micaceus. They are not poisonous unless you consume alcohol 1-7 days after eating.

I don't know about the yellow guy. It sounds like it could be in the genus "Pholiota".

That's about all I can do to help =/
In the mean time, you can find some keys for your area. example, here's some for the pacific north west. http://www.svims.ca/council/Key_to.htm#nInt


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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
    #14270657 - 04/11/11 04:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:doublefacepalm:




I don't like the look of the first ones...
Hopefully you can get some trusted identifiers up in this thread.

But yeh.  :urreallydumb:

Edited by mrckb (04/11/11 04:13 AM)

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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
    #14270659 - 04/11/11 04:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's fucked up stupid!
From your description and the (poor quality, I admit) picture it is possible that you have Galerina marginata.
Compare your finds with the pictures on this page: http://www.google.com/images?q=Galerina%20marginata&biw=1278&bih=806
If there is just a slight chance that this is the mushroom you found and consumed then don't waste any time. They are one of the few extremely toxic deadly poisonous mushrooms. If you eat too much of it you'll die of liver failure. But even small amounts will damage your liver if you aren't treated immediately. You will not feel anything until two days later, but by then it will almost be too late. Another few days later and you are dead. And the dying isn't pleasant, either. Inner organ failure almost never is.
Take a sample of all the mushrooms that were consumed and head to a hospital asap if your mushrooms looked anything like the ones in the link I posted.


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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14270663 - 04/11/11 04:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Man.... I dont want to get you paranoid or anything, but eating mushrooms you are not sure about can be a deadly experience.  Hope the little guy is alright. Going to the hospital might be the best option at this point.  Kahuna is right, organ failure cant be fun at all.


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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14270665 - 04/11/11 04:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, I didn't want to be posting any wrong ID accusations of the first one being galerina but it looks suss.

Might be having a hospital holiday :undecided:

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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: mrckb]
    #14270666 - 04/11/11 04:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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mrckb said:
I don't like the look of the first ones...



Me neither. Not at all. The mushrooms in that picture are certainly not ovoids and I don't know of any other woodloving Psilocybe in VA at this time of year.


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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14270691 - 04/11/11 04:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Galerina marginata would be my guess as well, and C. micaceus for the second, + what GK said about going to hospital.


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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: aeromast]
    #14270753 - 04/11/11 05:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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aeromast said:and after extinguishing most of the internet resources that I could find, I come to you, humble Shroomerites.





Of which you obviously did not do much resource searching. Mushroom picking requires common sense. A simple Google search would of had suffice... had a look at the list of poisonous mushrooms, seen Galerinas and thought "Oh, shit... time to head to hospital, better safe than sorry!"
You obviously seen a photo of Galerina marginatas and posted it here as the "lookalike" so why did you ignore it?

Perhaps a troll? :ooo:


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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: daz01]
    #14270834 - 04/11/11 06:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Pretty good effort if trolling. The pics were even ghettoishly taken with the same mobile phone cam. But yeah, who calls shroomery members "shroomerites" on their first post unless they'd been lurking for a while in which case said person would likely have come to the shroomery first before searching up and down the interwebs for a mushroom related question.


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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: daz01]
    #14270843 - 04/11/11 06:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

OP hasnt replied. Doubting this was a troll.. and if so they went to great lengths to not even respond with LOL I TROLL'D U'S GUD.

Probs went to the emergancy ward.

If not.

Here's a nice little page that Alan posted in another poisonings thread which details symptoms in relation to amatoxin poisoning.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/820108-overview

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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: mrckb]
    #14270898 - 04/11/11 07:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

1 is likely Galerina marginata, which has amatoxins that can be deadly toxic

I don't know how much a single cap will affect someone

Edited by The Thinker (04/11/11 07:06 AM)

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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: The Thinker]
    #14270931 - 04/11/11 07:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Never understood people that eat mushrooms like PacMan eats ghosts.

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    #14270951 - 04/11/11 07:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I believe that I read somewhere that the concentration of amatoxins in G. marginata is high enough to be harmful even at such low amounts. It was in this forum here somewhere and I can't vouch for the validity of said statement, but it's not soemething I'd want to take chances with, either and had I eaten even a small bit of a cap I'd put myself under medical observation asap no matter what.


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Re: Ingested without knowledge/help ID please? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14270958 - 04/11/11 07:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Galerina marginata and Coprinellus micaceus: It's what's for dinner.

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