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DMT extraction-very scared to use lye
    #14269968 - 04/10/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have read a couple of the teks for how to extract DMT from mimosa hostilis. Most are pretty confusing, and the one that is not requires you to add lye to water. I posted on another forum a question regarding any precautions I should take before messing with the chemical. They told me to have a fire extinguisher on hand (probably expensive and not easily obtainable.), and to wear shoes and cover all visible skin. Also, the glass material I use needs to be chemistry quality, not kitchen quality, and any of the materials I use need to be thrown out and never used again, especially for eating purposes.

I AM pretty scared to use lye. I heard that it can boil and splash a lot. Ok, again, and I can't stress enough, I am pretty scared to use lye. I looked on the dmt nexus website and they state that there is an organic method for extraction but I haven't gotten around to reading it. So, I'm asking all of my fellow entheogenic trippers (all of you guys) about what FURTHER precautions I should take and/or other methods of extraction. This topic is probably overdone, but I'll ask still.


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14269995 - 04/10/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

uhh yeah others will probably tell you to use search but,

its kinda a no brainer, just use protection that would protect you from said splash ups (i.e gloves , long sleeve shirt, mask) and i'm not sure about the other methods


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14269998 - 04/10/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lye is in `1/2 the soap you use hippie. / wait nvm.. :flowstone:


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: orison]
    #14270020 - 04/10/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Pour lye into water, don't pour water into lye.


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: Eminence]
    #14270079 - 04/10/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Always Add Acid


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: hesus321]
    #14270290 - 04/11/11 12:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Take it slow.




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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: Luman]
    #14270412 - 04/11/11 01:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

one bad habit ive seen people do.. Is hold containers above eye level to look at bottom, while sloshing top and spilling into face..


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: Luman]
    #14270649 - 04/11/11 03:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

tssstt , ahhhh, thats the stuff.


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14270871 - 04/11/11 06:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's really not very dangerous if you use common sense. A cheap glass wine jug is all that's needed. Unless you are using it in multiple extractions. If doing STB it's very simple.


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14271502 - 04/11/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

occollegeboi said:They told me to have a fire extinguisher on hand (probably expensive and not easily obtainable.)




Unless you're homeless you SHOULD already have a fire extinguisher, know what fire code is?


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: BobFromReboot]
    #14271696 - 04/11/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

A fire extinguisher is like FIVE DOLLARS at WAL-MART.

But yes, lye is NO FUCKING JOKE. It is not something the (extremely) amateur kitchen 'chemist' can be expected to safely handle.

When there are much safer alternatives, I don't think it's okay to suggest to an internet stranger to use a very dangerous and caustic chemical such as lye. One cannot possible impart all the necessary information and hands on experience one needs to safely use dangerous chemicals in a two sentence internet post.

Calcium hydroxide is much less caustic (though it may still burn you!), easily available, and there are many effective teks that use this 'weak' base in place of lye. The major operational difference is that the dry powder must be mixed with dry plant material before being hydrated. And when it is hydrated, only enough water is used to make a thick paste which is then extracted with solvent (preferably d-limonene to continue the food-safe aspect).

In this order, mix well after each ingredient:
100g MHRB + 25g CaOH + enough water to hydrate (no free drops/standing water) + Solvent (d-Limonene or naphtha if you fucking insist, lol) + time

Separate liquids from solids with glass french press, pour through coffee filter into a big glass jar.

***repeat all steps several times with fresh solvent, combine solvents in glass jar***

If you used naphtha:
You might just be able to evap the naphtha from here, or freeze precip. I don't know actually, I don't fuck around with petroleum distillates that come in metal cans anymore.

If you used limonene:
Add distilled white vinegar and shake it up. Draw off bottom layer (vinegar) with a pipette, or alternatively place the jar in the freezer until the bottom layer freezes.

Evaporate vinegar, repeat with new vinegar.

If you use limonene and vinegar, this yields full-spectrum mimosa extract acetate. It is a red oil and is a mixture of DMT and many other active alkaloids that some refer to as 'jungle spice.' It's good stuff.

There are a couple of methods to convert the difficult to handle oily acetate extract into a sticky, equally difficult to handle freebase which is more potent. It involves heating the spice on a dish until the acetic acid evaporates away and the alkaloids remain. This requires a moderate level of heat that will not vaporize the alkaloids, but will vaporize the acetic acid. Some people rig up the dish over a steaming pot of water, keeping close watch to make sure the spice doesnt start to vape or melt.

One can also prepare a dose of freebase at a time by putting a few drops of acetate onto a microscope slide or other small piece of glass, then heating it from beneath with a flame, using the distance between the flame and glass to control the temperature.

The acetate is good as is though.


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #14271996 - 04/11/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly what reospeedwagon stated. I know NOTHING about chemistry and I don't want to use lye. I live with my parents. I'm NOT going to risk burning down the house. I have a friend who knows how to extract the dmt and he says the way he does it, it takes about almost a month. I don't really care if the end product is less quality than it could be, I'll just smoke more anyway.

Also, I only want to use 1 ounce of pre ground MHRB, not a wapping 100 grams!! That's ridiculous! I don't need that much DMT! I only want to trip 2 or 3 times, maybe 4 if I don't get the entheogenic experience I want. The first time, I'd take 2 hits just to test the waters. The second time, 3 hits. The third time, 3 hits again but I'll know exactly what it will be like and will be fully delved in the experience.


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14272050 - 04/11/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Use a facemask,eye protection, and gloves.... If you get it on your hands it gets really slimy and you can't wash it off very well and it burns.. I got it into a paper cut on my hand and it felt like I got bite by a rattlesnake.


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: FUTURIST]
    #14272206 - 04/11/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lol so much drama over some Lye. Burn your patents house down...cmon.

Btw 100g of rootbark isn't a lot at all.

28 g will yield around 300mg-400mg.

Not a lot.


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: Odum]
    #14272483 - 04/11/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think you guys are over playing the dangers of this stuff. No doubt it can be dangerous, but as long as you use caution and reason, there is no reason why the average person cannot simply mix lye into water.


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: Racinette]
    #14272768 - 04/11/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:lol: exactly.

If you're worried just wear gloves, goggles, keep some vinegar around, and don't reuse the same glass.


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: Racinette]
    #14272803 - 04/11/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just do some research on laboratory safety. Use chemical resistant gloves and eye goggles. Have a bottle of vinegar handy so that if you do spill it on yourself you can neutralize it.

Honestly I'd be more worried about using naptha. DON'T USE NAPTHA! It's disgusting, the fumes give you a sore throat, it causes cancer, and is absolutely terrible for the environment and is difficult to dispose of.

If I were to do a DMT extraction again I would use the FASA tek (Fumaric Acid Saturated Acetone). Look it up, it may be more of what you are looking for. The chemicals are way more safe, you don't have to freeze precip (ie. no jars of naptha and dmt in your parents freezer), and you can reuse the solvent again. Also your end product is DMT-fumarate which is a salt. It's more stable than freebase DMT, so it will keep longer, plus you can snort it and it won't hurt.


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14272909 - 04/11/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

http://wiki.dmt-nexus.com/Q21Q21%27s_Vinegar/Lime_A/B_Extraction_Tek

This is a tek that uses food safe pickling lime instead of the nasty lye.

It is very quick and effective.  And no chance of chemical burn.


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: collinZzZz]
    #14274556 - 04/11/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The tek I just posted is totally based on q21q21's

But yeah, I personally do not think it is kosher to suggest the use of dangerous chemicals like lye to strangers on the Internet when there are safer alternatives.

I mean, did you read these posts?? One guy got it in his cut! Jesus Christ!


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Re: DMT extraction-very scared to use lye [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #14274624 - 04/11/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you think lye will burn down your parents house, then you may need to do some more research before using it...


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