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thedudeman
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need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed)
#14269657 - 04/10/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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so today i decided to try some spice (not JWH) but some stuff from the head shop, it was interesting, a little weed ish but definitely a different feel.
anyways im a former weed addict (don't debate it, if you disagree about the addictiveness of weed just pretend it's a hypothetical situation in some magical world where weed is addictive)
and i had some pretty nasty withdrawals after i quit weed, but it's been a while and everythings fine back to normal, seems like im in a good place and have been for some time
is it bad to smoke this stuff? in that is it to similar to weed for it to be safer to smoke?
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: thedudeman]
#14269692 - 04/10/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What I've found, and you basically described what I just went through, is that you smoke this stuff moderately. I found that smoking a little would get me high especially if it was right after I woke up from like an 8 hour sleep. I found that a little would get me high and that tolerance built quickly but it also went away after a good 5 to 8 hours of just not smoking. The high came on quick in little amounts, so you can kinda save money. But it also went away pretty quick (I'd say like 2 hours). That's been my experience with the local shit at the local headshop. 
Edit: Don't smoke a lot. There definitely is a "holy shit this is scary" part, at least for me. Just get high and let it go. You can't just bake bake bake like weed.
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Edited by Joolz (04/10/11 10:14 PM)
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: thedudeman]
#14269706 - 04/10/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've smoked different blends exclusively for 6 months. And I'm done now that I don't have to I couldn't be happier I can smoke the real deal.
They have worse withdrawls effects then weed. You build a tolerance 10x faster making the habit 10 times more expensive.. after awhile you'll feel like shit just from smoking them and you don't even get any of the medicinal effects pot provides. Smoke pot leave this shit alone or don't smoke at all I guess.
Ps by tolerance and money being an issue. With these good blends costing like 20 a gram where I live they last about 1/5th as long as a gram of dank weed.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#14269788 - 04/10/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nature made MJ, a man in a white coat made JWH. MJ has been used for thousands of years, JWH just a few.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: monkiman]
#14269789 - 04/10/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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monkiman said: nature made MJ, a man in a white coat made JWH. MJ has been used for thousands of years, JWH just a few.
With that logic LSD is lame, which is logic. Its an alternative. If you don't like it, don't do it, but some people just want to get high before they sleep at the end of their day but they can't due to legal issues.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#14269793 - 04/10/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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if you get on the sites that have blends cheap its like 8 an ounce for dank ass blends then if you switch them up tolerance is really not an issue. Its neat as you can have a sleepy on at night then a speedy one for the day. They are overpriced in headshops by a few hundred percent but ok to grab if you are out of weed otherwise.
OP if you know it was not JWH was it an AM or a WIN? they are really all similar anyway.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: Joolz]
#14269856 - 04/10/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Joolz said:
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monkiman said: nature made MJ, a man in a white coat made JWH. MJ has been used for thousands of years, JWH just a few.
With that logic LSD is lame, which is logic. Its an alternative. If you don't like it, don't do it, but some people just want to get high before they sleep at the end of their day but they can't due to legal issues.
for legal issues i say fair enough, LSD is generally not used everyday so its not really the same.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: monkiman]
#14269880 - 04/10/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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In a perfect world I would drop a very light dose of LSD in my morning water to boost my everything. But of course we can't do that because we don't know for sure what acid we're getting or the dosages on the blotter.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: thedudeman]
#14269909 - 04/10/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thedudeman said: so today i decided to try some spice (not JWH) but some stuff from the head shop, it was interesting, a little weed ish but definitely a different feel.
Not JWH? How do you know? Most of the head shop blends are JWH.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: BothHands]
#14270011 - 04/10/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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because JWH is illegal where i live
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: thedudeman]
#14270018 - 04/10/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Which JWH? There are hundreds.
Several are illegal here, but there are always more replacements.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: thedudeman]
#14270031 - 04/10/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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also i wanted an answer to, is it okay to smoke this stuff if you can't handle normal marijuana
not sure exactly which JWH, they said it didnt contain and wasn't jwh, but they may have been wrong
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: thedudeman]
#14270056 - 04/10/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh really? Then it's probably AM-2201. Still pretty much a JWH, just synthesized by someone else.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: argg]
#14270219 - 04/11/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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argg said: With that logic LSD is lame, which is logic. Its an alternative. If you don't like it, don't do it, but some people just want to get high before they sleep at the end of their day but they can't due to legal issues.
Not exactly, nature made LSD-25 it just took the brains of a man to figure out how to isolate it.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: psychedelia56]
#14270233 - 04/11/11 12:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's not true at all.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: BothHands] 1
#14270241 - 04/11/11 12:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nature created homo sapiens, too, so indirectly nature makes everything we make.
It is true on some level.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#14270243 - 04/11/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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AbstraKt_I_Am said: I've smoked different blends exclusively for 6 months. And I'm done now that I don't have to I couldn't be happier I can smoke the real deal.
They have worse withdrawls effects then weed. You build a tolerance 10x faster making the habit 10 times more expensive.. after awhile you'll feel like shit just from smoking them and you don't even get any of the medicinal effects pot provides. Smoke pot leave this shit alone or don't smoke at all I guess.
Ps by tolerance and money being an issue. With these good blends costing like 20 a gram where I live they last about 1/5th as long as a gram of dank weed.
i get this stuff called KUSH
11 Grams for 25 bucks... keeps me baked all month long.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: psychedelia56]
#14270268 - 04/11/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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psychedelia56 said: Nature created homo sapiens, too, so indirectly nature makes everything we make.
It is true on some level.
Are you retarded?
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: BothHands]
#14270275 - 04/11/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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BothHands said:
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psychedelia56 said: Nature created homo sapiens, too, so indirectly nature makes everything we make.
It is true on some level.
Are you retarded?
Maybe he's the smart one and you're the retarded one? What's in name calling anyways.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: Joolz]
#14270312 - 04/11/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok, let's put this conversation into one post.
monkiman: JWH is man made, weed is natural. JWH is bad, weed is good.
joolz: By that logic, LSD is bad
Him: No, LSD is natural
Me: No it's not.
Him: Well it sorta is cuse we made it.
Now go back and look at the context. JWH is man made too, and in his context natural. So his implication that LSD is natural and JWH isn't is ridiculous. It's both or neither.
I wouldn't normally have said anything about the comment, but in this particular context, it's retarded.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: BothHands]
#14270390 - 04/11/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: monkiman]
#14270394 - 04/11/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: BothHands]
#14270622 - 04/11/11 03:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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BothHands said: Ok, let's put this conversation into one post.
monkiman: JWH is man made, weed is natural. JWH is bad, weed is good.
joolz: By that logic, LSD is bad
Him: No, LSD is natural
Me: No it's not.
Him: Well it sorta is cuse we made it.
Now go back and look at the context. JWH is man made too, and in his context natural. So his implication that LSD is natural and JWH isn't is ridiculous. It's both or neither.
I wouldn't normally have said anything about the comment, but in this particular context, it's retarded.
If it occurs in our universe it is natural. All living things are a part of nature. If a human, which is natural, takes a molecule that occurs in nature (everything that exists is part of nature) changes it in some way to create another molecule which makes people trip the fuck out, it's all still part of nature.
Every single thing that exists is part of nature. That's the nature of nature, lol.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: BothHands]
#14270739 - 04/11/11 05:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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BothHands said: Ok, let's put this conversation into one post.
monkiman: JWH is man made, weed is natural. JWH is bad, weed is good.
joolz: By that logic, LSD is bad
Him: No, LSD is natural
Me: No it's not.
Him: Well it sorta is cuse we made it.
Now go back and look at the context. JWH is man made too, and in his context natural. So his implication that LSD is natural and JWH isn't is ridiculous. It's both or neither.
I wouldn't normally have said anything about the comment, but in this particular context, it's retarded.
this shit made my morning
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: crokms]
#14272496 - 04/11/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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^Yeah but we're talking about what would be found in a natural state in nature. There's not tabs of acid growing out of the ground. You don't see sugar canes growing aspartame or sucrolose within them. Tomatoes don't get their red color from red dye #40. I know where your're coming from with everythings natural but I think you're being a little too literal on the subject. For the record, I'm not favoring one over the other as I think they both have their place.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: thedudeman]
#14272537 - 04/11/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thedudeman said: is it bad to smoke this stuff? in that is it to similar to weed for it to be safer to smoke?
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thedudeman said: also i wanted an answer to, is it okay to smoke this stuff if you can't handle normal marijuana
Well, I think what you're saying is... Since you had bad withdrawals from pot, is JWH safer?
I'd say, No. Tolerance seems to build pretty quickly. And I've heard horrific withdrawal stories.
I've never gotten withdrawals from pot or JWH-018, but YMMV. (I was a pretty heavy JWH-018 user for a few weeks too.)
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14273130 - 04/11/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ifoundwaldo said:
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thedudeman said: is it bad to smoke this stuff? in that is it to similar to weed for it to be safer to smoke?
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thedudeman said: also i wanted an answer to, is it okay to smoke this stuff if you can't handle normal marijuana
Well, I think what you're saying is... Since you had bad withdrawals from pot, is JWH safer?
I'd say, No. Tolerance seems to build pretty quickly. And I've heard horrific withdrawal stories.
I've never gotten withdrawals from pot or JWH-018, but YMMV. (I was a pretty heavy JWH-018 user for a few weeks too.)
okay, but its not gunna hit me since i just used it once right?
its a ridiculous question and in saying it I see how ridiculous of a question that is aha
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: thedudeman]
#14273178 - 04/11/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're fine after one time. You're probably fine to use it sparingly too- just as you could with pot.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14274089 - 04/11/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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interesting, well today, my vision is more sensetive to light/ having some interesting visuals, im really tired but very energetic, a little anxious and really wonked out
anybody else have similar day after symptoms?
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: thedudeman]
#14274869 - 04/11/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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1 oz passion flower $2.50 ~ 1 gram scutellaria nana extract $9.50 ~ infuse the 2 together and get 7.0 of some pretty good au natural buzz to smoke for 12 bucks with 21 grams of passion flower left over for tea ...
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: cyantific]
#14275010 - 04/11/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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First of most of these new "spice" products are simply synthesized analogues of delta-9 THC(active component in weed). Their use is fairly new and their long-term side effects have not been established. Generally smoking something synthetic is usually not good for ya and sounds unworth the risk (Deemsters on the other hand... ). I don't understand why you kids these days smoke that shit and I feel bad that you do. If you don't like weed or think it is addictive what makes you think this will be any less addictive or less harmful? The sole reason I could see people smoking spice is if theyre on probation, or if theyre 16 years old and can't find any weed. In either case I would just abstain from smoking but thats me. In any event just do yourself a favor and smoke the real deal, plain and simple.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: Sorealism]
#14276362 - 04/12/11 02:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorealism said: First of most of these new "spice" products are simply synthesized analogues of delta-9 THC(active component in weed). Their use is fairly new and their long-term side effects have not been established. Generally smoking something synthetic is usually not good for ya and sounds unworth the risk (Deemsters on the other hand... ). I don't understand why you kids these days smoke that shit and I feel bad that you do. If you don't like weed or think it is addictive what makes you think this will be any less addictive or less harmful? The sole reason I could see people smoking spice is if theyre on probation, or if theyre 16 years old and can't find any weed. In either case I would just abstain from smoking but thats me. In any event just do yourself a favor and smoke the real deal, plain and simple.
"spice" products are not synthesized analogues of THC, in the sense that you are thinking. Just as a point of understanding, its good to know that JWH/AM/whatever your talking about, they are cannabimetic compounds. Yes they are synthesized, but they do not "mimic" the shape/form/chemical structure of delta 9 THC in the slightest. They are cannabimetic because they "mimic" the effects of THC, not because they are "related". They are only similar in that they are all cb1/2 receptor antagonists, aka, get you high.
And I don't understand why everyone hates on the damn compounds so much. What you said, Sorealism, I don't really understand. You feel bad? why? I feel bad that you have such a stone-wall perspective on psychoactive substances 
I use cannabis medicinally, so I truly understand what it has to offer. But I appreciate the various "synthetics" I have tried. I am no "stupid" 16 year old either. You should not shit on the potential of compounds you don't understand at all; everything has its good and bads. I think the effects are something to be appreciated, and even though I smoke cannabis "on the regular", I enjoy smoking blends too, which I make myself, every now and then.
Example; the dreaded "fear" associated with JWH compounds. I have certainly experienced this a few times in the past, mostly towards the beginning of my experiences with said compounds. I think that the "fear" is really interesting. People don't like it because it seems to be superbly psychedelic; it is not fun at all, but it is enlightening. You seem to become extremely critical of yourself and what your doing...I think it can be a productive state, if you have experience with ego loss in other forms. In fact, and experience of "the fear" lead to my more responsible use of the jdubs in general.
To the OP, if you do want to give the dubs a go, then buy the powder and make your own blends, you will spend MUCH MUCH less money 
 
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14276435 - 04/12/11 03:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've experienced the fear, although I also don't really feel fear too much anymore. More of a caution and curiosity. At first I was surprised and curious, and then after a while I just got over it and learned all I could. After that, spice was just another high that I couldn't really abuse or stack ontop of itself too much.
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14277104 - 04/12/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorealism said: First of most of these new "spice" products are simply synthesized analogues of delta-9 THC(active component in weed). Their use is fairly new and their long-term side effects have not been established. Generally smoking something synthetic is usually not good for ya and sounds unworth the risk (Deemsters on the other hand... ). I don't understand why you kids these days smoke that shit and I feel bad that you do. If you don't like weed or think it is addictive what makes you think this will be any less addictive or less harmful? The sole reason I could see people smoking spice is if theyre on probation, or if theyre 16 years old and can't find any weed. In either case I would just abstain from smoking but thats me. In any event just do yourself a favor and smoke the real deal, plain and simple.
"spice" products are not synthesized analogues of THC, in the sense that you are thinking. Just as a point of understanding, its good to know that JWH/AM/whatever your talking about, they are cannabimetic compounds. Yes they are synthesized, but they do not "mimic" the shape/form/chemical structure of delta 9 THC in the slightest. They are cannabimetic because they "mimic" the effects of THC, not because they are "related". They are only similar in that they are all cb1/2 receptor antagonists, aka, get you high.
And I don't understand why everyone hates on the damn compounds so much. What you said, Sorealism, I don't really understand. You feel bad? why? I feel bad that you have such a stone-wall perspective on psychoactive substances 
I use cannabis medicinally, so I truly understand what it has to offer. But I appreciate the various "synthetics" I have tried. I am no "stupid" 16 year old either. You should not shit on the potential of compounds you don't understand at all; everything has its good and bads. I think the effects are something to be appreciated, and even though I smoke cannabis "on the regular", I enjoy smoking blends too, which I make myself, every now and then.
Example; the dreaded "fear" associated with JWH compounds. I have certainly experienced this a few times in the past, mostly towards the beginning of my experiences with said compounds. I think that the "fear" is really interesting. People don't like it because it seems to be superbly psychedelic; it is not fun at all, but it is enlightening. You seem to become extremely critical of yourself and what your doing...I think it can be a productive state, if you have experience with ego loss in other forms. In fact, and experience of "the fear" lead to my more responsible use of the jdubs in general.
To the OP, if you do want to give the dubs a go, then buy the powder and make your own blends, you will spend MUCH MUCH less money 
  
this really made my day, because the experience you described that you had on spice was the exact same feeling i've been having, which i call spirit walking, because it sends you to a place inside your head that is extremely vulnerable and should be faced and examined. I had this ALL day yesterday i really felt like i was tripping from start to finish. i would say the simplest things and start over examining them and thinking i said something horrible. but it forced me to learn to face my fears again. and im thankful for that
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Re: need a bit of advice here (spice vs weed) [Re: thedudeman]
#14283678 - 04/13/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorealism said: First of most of these new "spice" products are simply synthesized analogues of delta-9 THC(active component in weed). Their use is fairly new and their long-term side effects have not been established. Generally smoking something synthetic is usually not good for ya and sounds unworth the risk (Deemsters on the other hand... ). I don't understand why you kids these days smoke that shit and I feel bad that you do. If you don't like weed or think it is addictive what makes you think this will be any less addictive or less harmful? The sole reason I could see people smoking spice is if theyre on probation, or if theyre 16 years old and can't find any weed. In either case I would just abstain from smoking but thats me. In any event just do yourself a favor and smoke the real deal, plain and simple.
"spice" products are not synthesized analogues of THC, in the sense that you are thinking. Just as a point of understanding, its good to know that JWH/AM/whatever your talking about, they are cannabimetic compounds. Yes they are synthesized, but they do not "mimic" the shape/form/chemical structure of delta 9 THC in the slightest. They are cannabimetic because they "mimic" the effects of THC, not because they are "related". They are only similar in that they are all cb1/2 receptor antagonists, aka, get you high.
And I don't understand why everyone hates on the damn compounds so much. What you said, Sorealism, I don't really understand. You feel bad? why? I feel bad that you have such a stone-wall perspective on psychoactive substances 
I use cannabis medicinally, so I truly understand what it has to offer. But I appreciate the various "synthetics" I have tried. I am no "stupid" 16 year old either. You should not shit on the potential of compounds you don't understand at all; everything has its good and bads. I think the effects are something to be appreciated, and even though I smoke cannabis "on the regular", I enjoy smoking blends too, which I make myself, every now and then.
Example; the dreaded "fear" associated with JWH compounds. I have certainly experienced this a few times in the past, mostly towards the beginning of my experiences with said compounds. I think that the "fear" is really interesting. People don't like it because it seems to be superbly psychedelic; it is not fun at all, but it is enlightening. You seem to become extremely critical of yourself and what your doing...I think it can be a productive state, if you have experience with ego loss in other forms. In fact, and experience of "the fear" lead to my more responsible use of the jdubs in general.
To the OP, if you do want to give the dubs a go, then buy the powder and make your own blends, you will spend MUCH MUCH less money 
  
this really made my day, because the experience you described that you had on psychedelics was the exact same feeling i've been having, which i call spirit walking, because it sends you to a place inside your head that is extremely vulnerable and should be faced and examined. I had this ALL day yesterday i really felt like i was tripping from start to finish. i would say the simplest things and start over examining them and thinking i said something horrible. but it forced me to learn to face my fears again. and im thankful for that
It is like it takes you away from this world and opens your mind. And it also makes ZOMBIES 1000 times better. And the munchies. And the panic attacks(i laugh about later). oh god the panic attacks. Speaking of... let me go smoke a bowl now.
-------------------- What was before the Big Bang? What caused the Big Bang? Where did the space for the Big Bang to take place come from? Is it all just a dream or something like the matrix. It makes me wonder. So many stars.
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