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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: unknown1123]
#14273249 - 04/11/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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unknown1123 said: One more junkie behind bars. 
That thinking is why heroin is as dangerous as it is. Prior to criminalization there wasn't a problem with street junkies. Studies where addicts are given pharm grade maintenance doses show that this is a more effective treatment than methadone. That sort of mentality is the sort of thing that impedes efforts like needle exchange programs also which is to the detriment of the general public. Not to mention that studies show a very high correlation between people with early childhood sexual trauma. Would a sane person choose this lifestyle? You don't know what this woman was going through. I'm sure that you've done some things that wouldn't look too flattering on the front page. How about a little compassion. Remember that whole there, but for the grace of God go I saying?
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: The Phleg]
#14273277 - 04/11/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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pyrate999 said: Where was their pepper spray?
female officers, guess where
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: cc2]
#14273313 - 04/11/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: unknown1123]
#14273604 - 04/11/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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One more junkie behind bars.
That's fucked up. Drugs should be treated like a medical problem, not a criminal one. She needs rehabilitation, not incarceration. Still, it was wrong of her to attack those cops. For that she does deserve jail time.
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: SWEDEN] 1
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cops arent your friends
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mr_minds_eye
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: Konyap]
#14279564 - 04/12/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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When every cell of your body is screaming for something or death, normal behaviour and rational tends to go out the window. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be responsible for their actions. But mark my words, if legit psych care and medical care were actually available to everyone, and drugs were seen for what they are rather than through the lens of ignorance thats there, you would basically never see this sort of thing. But so long as people who believe in Bronze Age tribal belief systems dominate, well, I shudder..
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Edited by mr_minds_eye (04/12/11 10:47 PM)
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: Maverick]
#14280556 - 04/12/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LOL remember where you are Mav
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: veggie]
#14280976 - 04/12/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im glad she represents Illinoisns the way we are haha. Fire and Ice baby.
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: sandi]
#14283444 - 04/13/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#14283806 - 04/13/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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unknown1123 said: One more junkie behind bars. 
That thinking is why heroin is as dangerous as it is. Prior to criminalization there wasn't a problem with street junkies. Studies where addicts are given pharm grade maintenance doses show that this is a more effective treatment than methadone. That sort of mentality is the sort of thing that impedes efforts like needle exchange programs also which is to the detriment of the general public. Not to mention that studies show a very high correlation between people with early childhood sexual trauma. Would a sane person choose this lifestyle? You don't know what this woman was going through. I'm sure that you've done some things that wouldn't look too flattering on the front page. How about a little compassion. Remember that whole there, but for the grace of God go I saying?
She chose the needle and decided to "beat up" some cops over it. She does nothing for society, but leech from it. My opinion stands and there is no place for a "junkie" in the modern world.
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: unknown1123]
#14283888 - 04/13/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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unknown1123 said:
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unknown1123 said: One more junkie behind bars. 
That thinking is why heroin is as dangerous as it is. Prior to criminalization there wasn't a problem with street junkies. Studies where addicts are given pharm grade maintenance doses show that this is a more effective treatment than methadone. That sort of mentality is the sort of thing that impedes efforts like needle exchange programs also which is to the detriment of the general public. Not to mention that studies show a very high correlation between people with early childhood sexual trauma. Would a sane person choose this lifestyle? You don't know what this woman was going through. I'm sure that you've done some things that wouldn't look too flattering on the front page. How about a little compassion. Remember that whole there, but for the grace of God go I saying?
She chose the needle and decided to "beat up" some cops over it. She does nothing for society, but leech from it. My opinion stands and there is no place for a "junkie" in the modern world.
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: unknown1123]
#14283942 - 04/13/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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unknown1123 said:
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unknown1123 said: One more junkie behind bars. 
That thinking is why heroin is as dangerous as it is. Prior to criminalization there wasn't a problem with street junkies. Studies where addicts are given pharm grade maintenance doses show that this is a more effective treatment than methadone. That sort of mentality is the sort of thing that impedes efforts like needle exchange programs also which is to the detriment of the general public. Not to mention that studies show a very high correlation between people with early childhood sexual trauma. Would a sane person choose this lifestyle? You don't know what this woman was going through. I'm sure that you've done some things that wouldn't look too flattering on the front page. How about a little compassion. Remember that whole there, but for the grace of God go I saying?
She chose the needle and decided to "beat up" some cops over it. She does nothing for society, but leech from it. My opinion stands and there is no place for a "junkie" in the modern world.
She, and other junkies, already have a place in the modern world. Your solution would be to lock them all up for life at taxpayers' expense. A more logical approach would be to treat their illness (because that's what addiction is) and try to re-integrate them to society as productive people. Give them their lives back instead of taking their last bit of life away and giving them an 8x10 cell.
You can't just make people disappear if you aren't happy with their life choices. We can either spend $30,000+ per year keeping them locked up, or a fraction of that on rehab. Think about it.
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: SWEDEN]
#14284020 - 04/13/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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SWEDEN said: You can't just make people disappear if you aren't happy with their life choices. We can either spend $30,000+ per year keeping them locked up, or a fraction of that on rehab. Think about it.
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: SWEDEN]
#14285172 - 04/13/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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unknown1123 said: One more junkie behind bars. 
That thinking is why heroin is as dangerous as it is. Prior to criminalization there wasn't a problem with street junkies. Studies where addicts are given pharm grade maintenance doses show that this is a more effective treatment than methadone. That sort of mentality is the sort of thing that impedes efforts like needle exchange programs also which is to the detriment of the general public. Not to mention that studies show a very high correlation between people with early childhood sexual trauma. Would a sane person choose this lifestyle? You don't know what this woman was going through. I'm sure that you've done some things that wouldn't look too flattering on the front page. How about a little compassion. Remember that whole there, but for the grace of God go I saying?
She chose the needle and decided to "beat up" some cops over it. She does nothing for society, but leech from it. My opinion stands and there is no place for a "junkie" in the modern world.
She, and other junkies, already have a place in the modern world. Your solution would be to lock them all up for life at taxpayers' expense. A more logical approach would be to treat their illness (because that's what addiction is) and try to re-integrate them to society as productive people. Give them their lives back instead of taking their last bit of life away and giving them an 8x10 cell.
You can't just make people disappear if you aren't happy with their life choices. We can either spend $30,000+ per year keeping them locked up, or a fraction of that on rehab. Think about it.
What makes them deserve a second chance if they already threw away their first one?
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: SWEDEN]
#14285577 - 04/13/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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SWEDEN said: She, and other junkies, already have a place in the modern world. Your solution would be to lock them all up for life at taxpayers' expense. A more logical approach would be to treat their illness (because that's what addiction is) and try to re-integrate them to society as productive people. Give them their lives back instead of taking their last bit of life away and giving them an 8x10 cell.
You can't just make people disappear if you aren't happy with their life choices. We can either spend $30,000+ per year keeping them locked up, or a fraction of that on rehab. Think about it.
Eh, I agree that prison for some of them isn't necessary, but I bet this chick has a list of priors anyway. And you have to remember, some people don't really want to get 'reinstated' into society, they're fine right there, even if they're destroying themselves. How can you 'treat' someone who won't accept treatment? It's not like it's a disease, it's a lifestyle and a personal choice. Let them do as they wish, I don't think any of my money needs to go into their treatment, nor them being imprisoned as long as they just go die off on their own without causing me any troubles.
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: Maverick]
#14288387 - 04/14/11 03:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree totally. If the junkie rejects treatment then sometimes prison is the only alternative. But I still believe most of them can be saved. I've known functioning heroin addicts who were able to hide their addiction and keep their jobs, some even earning a salary from a government job. This lady does seem like a lost cause, though.
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#14288419 - 04/14/11 04:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Who knows what the fate of this young woman will be. But if heroin was legal, as I believe it should be, and addiction was considered a medical issue, the whole concept of a 'junkie' being a strung out chick turning tricks or a thug robbing old ladies for their next fix would, for the most part, just disappear.
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: veggie]
#14288479 - 04/14/11 04:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Truth. It's so painfully obvious I am left wondering why more Americans haven't changed their views. Willful ignorance?
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: SWEDEN]
#14288539 - 04/14/11 06:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ignorance, maybe. But I think it's more a matter of perception. Take the average Joe who likes his drink but hates now illegal drugs and the people who use them. He believes they are scum and should all be locked up. But he'll gladly shell out the $5 co-pay for the Dr. prescribed xanax for his drug dependent wife.
If xanax suddenly became illegal and that $5 became $500 and she started to steal from him and other family to pay for it. She, once a patient now a criminal, may resort to more drastic methods to get the money and drugs. He may deplete the bank account or have to take another job or bail her out of of jail or throw her out of the house, etc. etc. Both of their lives have been turned upside down. They are a emotional and financial wreck and a once happy family now shattered.
She is the exact same person addicted to the exact same drug. The only difference is that it is now illegal. Just a matter of perception. If the average Joe would see that, would he feel differently?
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Re: [IL] 110-pound woman puts 2 cops in the hospital [Re: veggie]
#14289221 - 04/14/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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veggie said: Ignorance, maybe. But I think it's more a matter of perception. Take the average Joe who likes his drink but hates now illegal drugs and the people who use them. He believes they are scum and should all be locked up. But he'll gladly shell out the $5 co-pay for the Dr. prescribed xanax for his drug dependent wife.
If xanax suddenly became illegal and that $5 became $500 and she started to steal from him and other family to pay for it. She, once a patient now a criminal, may resort to more drastic methods to get the money and drugs. He may deplete the bank account or have to take another job or bail her out of of jail or throw her out of the house, etc. etc. Both of their lives have been turned upside down. They are a emotional and financial wreck and a once happy family now shattered.
She is the exact same person addicted to the exact same drug. The only difference is that it is now illegal. Just a matter of perception. If the average Joe would see that, would he feel differently? 
Correct. I guess it all depends of one's view of a productive life.
This is a "drug" forum, so a lot of the views of success vary widely from waking up the next day, to starting a business that will later become a fortune 500 company. I am of the latter but in a medical profession way. I know pharma companies are profit now, worry about repercussions later, but I think it is mainly due to lack of knowledge on the user end.
Everyone has a choice, whether it being to ingest a substance, read a book, go somewhere in life, etc... Nobody forced her to take heroin, therefore it is not an illness and it was a "bad" personal choice, which became an "illness."
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