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tohstygohsty
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Fallen Jar = cracked cake
#14267677 - 04/10/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Today SWIM thinks he may have made his first big mistake...a shelf breaking..
After looking at his jars, he dropped one on the ground. The jar itself is fine but the cake appears to have cracked off a corner. Its about 75% colonized. More so, a decent amount of vermiculite fell onto the section that is already colonized.
Edit: And now looking at it, the three jars that did not hit the ground also took some damage..
Is these recoverable or a dead jars?
He was thinking about casing it if they survive. Thoughts?
Edited by tohstygohsty (04/10/11 03:53 PM)
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dizzyease
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size of jars? assuming pf tek because of jars, not quite sure what happened, but whatever it was as long as the jar stayed intact, you should be fine!
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Re: Fallen Jar = cracked cake [Re: dizzyease]
#14267733 - 04/10/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I should I have included better details in my first post but I was pissed and trying to figure out the damages...
Basically SWIM had a shelf he was storing his 1/2 pint jars on. When he was placing the jars on it, the apparently poorly made bracket broke and everything followed the laws of physics and came tumbling down.
He managed to catch three out of four but there was some some minor damage to the internals of each jar. The one that hit the floor being the worst.
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Re: Fallen Jar = cracked cake [Re: dizzyease]
#14267778 - 04/10/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Heres some photos from him...
The one with one arrow shows the crack... The one with two shows the fallen vermiculite..


And just fyi - this is the worst jar - the one that hit the ground.
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oh haha thats nothing at all. let it finish, the mycelium will hold it together as it grows over the crack, in a week, you wont even see it!
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Re: Fallen Jar = cracked cake [Re: dizzyease]
#14267824 - 04/10/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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AWESOME!
As his first grow he is a bit worried about how things are going. They seem to be slowing down in growth rate (at about two weeks) and he was getting worried.
Thanks for the help!
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lol no problem, is it just that one jar you have? seeing as your defending it like a little baby :P
and what strain, do you know? just curious
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Re: Fallen Jar = cracked cake [Re: dizzyease]
#14267875 - 04/10/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Theres four. That one was just the worst as far as the vermiculite falling..They all had some internal damage sadly.
He defends all his jars like his little babies. haha But thats the biggest issue he is having.. constantly wanting to touch them...
I *believe* they are from Cambodia...is this decent growth for two weeks?
They do range though from 75% done to about 25%...
Edited by tohstygohsty (04/10/11 05:05 PM)
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i dunno, my tall 1/2 pints are about 60 % done average, and that was with spores. you mustn't have used a lot of spores, but it will finish. everyone says oh no more spores doesnt equal faster colonization, but i make my syringes thick and black, and liquid culture syringes thick and goopy. haha it works for me. i'd say yours are looking on the little slow side. try to keep them out of light, if they decide to pin early from light exposure to the mycelium, you may have some complications. nothing severe just annoying. are they half pints?
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Re: Fallen Jar = cracked cake [Re: dizzyease]
#14268069 - 04/10/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes they are half pints.
The biggest issue is that the growth seems all over the place...
One jar, the one in the photo, is the fastest, it was about 75% done but that remaining 25% was from a spot that never grew myc...The other jars seem to have the same issue, spots that grew nice thick myc and then other injection points that didnt grow any...Then theres the jar that has one two small spots growing...
If he start seeing pinning, without a full 100% what would the best course of action be?
Also, he used almost 3ccs per jar...too much or just bad spores?
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i dunno man, 3cc (or 3ml) or 0.3cc? three cc would be quite a bit too much. if you had the syringe from a vendor or site, it might be just small amount of spores, when you make your own, you can put as much as you want in and see germination in three days.
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Re: Fallen Jar = cracked cake [Re: dizzyease]
#14268242 - 04/10/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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He used 3ml..
He got it from a sponsor. It was VERY clear though.
I may be completely wrong as this is his first time doing this, but I think he used TOO much liquid from something which also may have not been the best spore syringe.
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aaaaaahhhh 3ml is a lot man. i dunno how much it would upset the balance but its probably not going to be optimal. anyways, everything is colonizing, at one stage or another, there IS progress. make sure you fruit them, keep them in the best conditions you can. take spore prints from every cap you can, no matter how big. that way, you can make a thick black spore syringe, and use .2cc (.2ml) and have growth in three days.
them make a liquid culture and see growth in two days 
remember take care of those four jars, if those fail you'll need to buy more spores if you dont have any. and yeah spore syringes are usually like that.
btw, when 100 % of your cake is covered by mycelium, keep the cakes in the jars for 7 days, to make sure they're colonized thoroughly. these seven days, keep them in light, that is what i do to speed up pinning. if they pin before 100 %, ignore them, they should abort, and re pin when you birth them
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Re: Fallen Jar = cracked cake [Re: dizzyease]
#14269330 - 04/10/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's possible that the dry verm falling could have allowed some contams to get in. Just keep an eye on them and toss them at the first sign of contamination.
dizzy's right... 3cc is a buttload for a 1/2 pint jar.
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As a first grow, SWIM really hopes at least one works.
SWIM looked at the syringe, which was a 10cc, and theres about 3.5cc left. So he used about 6.5ccs for four meaning about only 1.6cc per jar. Well maybe 6.5cc across the four jars is a better statement...but nonetheless, much less than he originally thought.
The contamination issue with the falling verm was his first thought and biggest worry.
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I usually use 4/5cc per jar. All the teks say to use 1cc, but I just do one line per hole.
Hmmmmm... "one line per hole" sounds a lot more enjoyable than what I actually meant.
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Quote:
Trippy_Smurf said: I usually use 4/5cc per jar. All the teks say to use 1cc, but I just do one line per hole.
Hmmmmm... "one line per hole" sounds a lot more enjoyable than what I actually meant.
haha Nice.
Quite bluntly, do you think it is possible to rescue these jars? Or should SWIM be starting a new grow?
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i think you'll be fine, i inject mine with about 1/2 cc, but thats with like, mindblowingly totally impracticaly thick spore syringes :P
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Re: Fallen Jar = cracked cake [Re: dizzyease]
#14271202 - 04/11/11 08:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Putting the issue of hitting the ground to the side...what could explain the slowing and uneven growth?
Will they ever colonize 100%? haha
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hahahah yeah, for sure :P
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