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OfflineAlmond Flour
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The User? Or the Substance? * 1
    #14266200 - 04/10/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Whos to blame? When a guy eats his girlfriends heart on mushrooms, or a man attacks police officers on PCP.......whos to blame? Is it really that persons 100% fault? Or is the chemical being used need to be shunned? :strokebeard:


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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: Almond Flour] * 1
    #14266232 - 04/10/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's combination of their specific reaction to the chemical, their genetic propensity to such behavior, their social and emotional history on earth and luck.

Or as some on the shroomery may propose, maybe they didn't respect the mushroom spirit and the plant sought revenge.  Or maybe their chakra got electrified.  Or perhaps they didn't integrate properly.  Or Saint Terence of Mckenna intervened from hyperspace to fuck with us.


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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #14266241 - 04/10/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well most of the time people wouldn't rip open somebody's chest to eat a heart unless they are under the influence on some kind of drug, so I say it's the drug, unless they had underlying mental problems, but still.


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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: Big Worm] * 1
    #14266304 - 04/10/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

persons fault. you chose to take that substance, and thus you are responsible for your actions.

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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: Big Worm]
    #14266326 - 04/10/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Big Worm said:
Well most of the time people wouldn't rip open somebody's chest to eat a heart unless they are under the influence on some kind of drug, so I say it's the drug, unless they had underlying mental problems, but still.




What are you talking about my man, there have only been a few recorded incidents of people visciously attacking and eating other people under the influence of drugs, but yet there has been thousands of serial killers who do way more fucked up shit, and were not under the influence of drugs.

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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: pootie]
    #14266334 - 04/10/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

and my answer to the original post is 100% the user. Know your body know the chemicals your putting in to it, dont be an ass :awedrugs:

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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: pootie]
    #14266905 - 04/10/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mostly the user because someone needed to make the pieces fall together, but both to some extent. Look, I'm not going to say any specific drug has effects such as making you eat your friend's heart. However, the pedestal people put these drugs on here is sometimes baffling. It's like people refuse to believe that 'their drugs' can lead to bad things happening. It is possible that they can play a role in a specific negative event occurring. And I'm not even saying that they irresponsibility of the users don't play a part, it's usually a huge part of the story, but that's just the way I see it.

Edited by Best (04/10/11 12:47 PM)

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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: pootie]
    #14266933 - 04/10/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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pootie said:
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Big Worm said:
Well most of the time people wouldn't rip open somebody's chest to eat a heart unless they are under the influence on some kind of drug, so I say it's the drug, unless they had underlying mental problems, but still.




What are you talking about my man, there have only been a few recorded incidents of people visciously attacking and eating other people under the influence of drugs, but yet there has been thousands of serial killers who do way more fucked up shit, and were not under the influence of drugs.






ha oh yea    :awehigh:


For some reason, I didn't even think about that.  you're right, people are naturally fucked up  :thumbup:


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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: Big Worm]
    #14266948 - 04/10/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Most gang members will go around killing and pillaging completely sober, JUST SO THAT THEIR FRIENDS LIKE THEM.

Now that's fucked up.

Blame the user, imo. I just can't stand people who dabble in psychs, scare themselves, then blame the drug. Its their own fault they scared themselves. I mean, whenever that magic paper goes on your tongue or you choke down some shrooms, you should understand that things could get weird. Its no reason to freak out, that's how a bad trip starts. Just separate yourself from the :feelsweirdman: and enjoy the :feelshighman: :raveface:


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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: Big Worm]
    #14266960 - 04/10/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i'm gonna say the drug, 100 %. it makes you lose your sense, so its as if was just your body, your thoughts arent being filtered and made sense of by the drug, not you. i think this is to blame, not to get by in a court of law, which wouldnt happen. obviously.
not saying it isnt related to your serial killer stuff, its only to blame for the unusual actions. i dunno my opinion :P

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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: Joolz]
    #14266978 - 04/10/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Just separate yourself from the :feelsweirdman: and enjoy the :feelshighman: :raveface:




quality advice. last night while tripping i was outside smoking a cigarette and all kinds of cars started driving by and people were walking around and i noticed myself starting to get the feeling like i was about to have some really bad anxiety.

my heart was pounding. i felt light headed. i felt like i just wanted to get up and run while screaming or something.

luckily i realized what was going on (too much stimulation) and went back inside and took a couple of deep breaths to relax myself and the anxiety went away completely.

people who do dumb shit on drugs just let shit get to their heads and dont have the power to chill out for a little. if you get anxious all you have to do is remove yourself from what is causing the anxiety or stop focusing on it so much.


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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14266998 - 04/10/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dr00gs don't attack cops, cops attack dr00gs.

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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14267083 - 04/10/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Joolz said:
Just separate yourself from the :feelsweirdman: and enjoy the :feelshighman: :raveface:




quality advice. last night while tripping i was outside smoking a cigarette and all kinds of cars started driving by and people were walking around and i noticed myself starting to get the feeling like i was about to have some really bad anxiety.

my heart was pounding. i felt light headed. i felt like i just wanted to get up and run while screaming or something.

luckily i realized what was going on (too much stimulation) and went back inside and took a couple of deep breaths to relax myself and the anxiety went away completely.

people who do dumb shit on drugs just let shit get to their heads and dont have the power to chill out for a little. if you get anxious all you have to do is remove yourself from what is causing the anxiety or stop focusing on it so much.




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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: Joolz]
    #14268298 - 04/10/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the user 100% we create our realitys, be it good or bad.


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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14268450 - 04/10/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It's combination of their specific reaction to the chemical, their genetic propensity to such behavior, their social and emotional history on earth and luck.

Or as some on the shroomery may propose, maybe they didn't respect the mushroom spirit and the plant sought revenge.  Or maybe their chakra got electrified.  Or perhaps they didn't integrate properly.  Or Saint Terence of Mckenna intervened from hyperspace to fuck with us.




This ^ :lol: Joe Molloy... for the record, I agree with a lot of your idea's.

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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14268465 - 04/10/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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joemolloy said:Or as some on the shroomery may propose, maybe they didn't respect the mushroom spirit and the plant sought revenge.  Or maybe their chakra got electrified.  Or perhaps they didn't integrate properly.  Or Saint Terence of Mckenna intervened from hyperspace to fuck with us.




:facepalm:


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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: Joolz]
    #14268548 - 04/10/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Joolz said:
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SamuelLJackson said:
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Joolz said:
Just separate yourself from the :feelsweirdman: and enjoy the :feelshighman: :raveface:




quality advice. last night while tripping i was outside smoking a cigarette and all kinds of cars started driving by and people were walking around and i noticed myself starting to get the feeling like i was about to have some really bad anxiety.

my heart was pounding. i felt light headed. i felt like i just wanted to get up and run while screaming or something.

luckily i realized what was going on (too much stimulation) and went back inside and took a couple of deep breaths to relax myself and the anxiety went away completely.

people who do dumb shit on drugs just let shit get to their heads and dont have the power to chill out for a little. if you get anxious all you have to do is remove yourself from what is causing the anxiety or stop focusing on it so much.




:thumbup:




:thumbup::thumbup:

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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: extreme]
    #14268680 - 04/10/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's definitely a combination of the two. On the one hand, drugs certainly make people do things they wouldn't. On the other, your making the choice to take a drug in the first place, and some people just can't handle the effects. It also depends on the drug. doing something fucked up on datura is different than on mushrooms or acid

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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: Tritium]
    #14269434 - 04/10/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Comination of the two. The person wouldn't have done what they did straight. Certain chems might flip a switch.

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Re: The User? Or the Substance? [Re: TripStarMcGlikStar]
    #14272037 - 04/11/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Of course it's both, I don't see how anybody could argue otherwise: your choice to do the drug; your own body's basic reaction to it - physiologically and psychologically; the environment you choose to do the drug in; the amount you may or may not have intended to dose; how familar the effects of the drug are...ect. All these notions come from fact that when you use a "drug" essentially what is happening is you are forming a relationship with a substance which requires that both, the person and the drug, contribute to the success/failure of said relationship.


One thing worth mentioning, though, is that IMO a lot less people would have freakouts on drugs (especially traditional psychedelics) if our culture wasn't so paranoid about them in the first place. If society gave many people who tried such things the impression that they were holding your hand and with you every step of the way people probably wouldn't be driven into states of panic and delusion when their consciousness is altered.


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