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Iron Chef America: David Kinch vs Bobby Flay (Battle Cabbage)
    #14247290 - 04/06/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)






Soochi and I were talking about this earlier, how we've never seen someone get schooled so badly by an ingredient.


David Kinch, what he does with vegetables is beyond anything Flay was prepared for.  This specific episode's been really challenging to find online.


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Re: Iron Chef America: David Kinch vs Bobby Flay (Battle Cabbage) [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #14248118 - 04/06/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It just so clearly demonstrates two chefs that cook for a different audience, price point, ingredient and technique appreciation and clearly shows the difference in talent and knowledge versus clever marketing and salesmanship which Flay is obviously better at than cooking.


cornbeef and cabbage, seriously Flay?


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Re: Iron Chef America: David Kinch vs Bobby Flay (Battle Cabbage) [Re: soochi]
    #14248212 - 04/06/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol, one guy makes various forms of sauteed and pickled cabbage side dishes.


Other guy makes...

-Purple soup with a canelle of borscht
-surf and turf with various ocean and land vegetables with geo duck
-an organic displayed dish with various pieces of lettuce prepared differently
-vegetables on top of farro mimicking meat
-lettuce and ruttabega napoleon


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Re: Iron Chef America: David Kinch vs Bobby Flay (Battle Cabbage) [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #14252744 - 04/07/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Jesus that was a beatdown.  I almost felt bad for him during the judging.


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Re: Iron Chef America: David Kinch vs Bobby Flay (Battle Cabbage) [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #14254499 - 04/07/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that's what seperates Michelin quality food and every other mass-produced chain branch corporate homogenized dining group glorified banquet hall devoid of creativity and provenance tasteless American mishmash fusion bullshit that inundates the entire foodservice industry of this country.


It's called actual cooking skill and creativity. It's so rare to see it in this country that when it is showcased to the public they seem to think that chef is a genius for coming up with these molecular gastronomy ideas, in fact Kinch staged at Akelarre and Mugaritz in Spain (both very el bulliesque) I'm not taking anything away from Kinch, I think he's a really great chef, it's just that not enough people, Iron chef judges included are aware of what's currently being done technique and flavorwise in the high end fine dining scene across the pond and abroad. So even something like a "gargoulliou" of vegetables (the dish with the mock "soil") a la Michel Bras, will still get raves even though most people don't realize that that dish/idea is more than twenty years old.


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Re: Iron Chef America: David Kinch vs Bobby Flay (Battle Cabbage) [Re: soochi]
    #14257877 - 04/08/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Kinch's philosophy definitely aligns with those of Michel bras, Renee Redzepie, etc.


But I think he also adds new elements, such as his japanese influence of ingredients and preparations. 


His mimicry of nature in his dishes, he takes it a little further with his tidal pool dish served at his restaurant. 



Just out here on the West Coast, we don't get to see that genre of cuisine very often.  His food is unique in terms of what people are doing in the US. 


I'd love to go to Manresa one day...it's sure alot cheaper than flying to France and going to Michel Bras.  :wink:



But yeah, alot of people do this same trend in cuisine.  The gargouillou.  Even Daniel Humm of Eleventh Madison also does a "into the garden" dish on his tasting dinner.


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Re: Iron Chef America: David Kinch vs Bobby Flay (Battle Cabbage) [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #14260148 - 04/08/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

quique dacosta and dani garcia, check out there mimicry dishes. Outstanding from a visual aspect.


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Re: Iron Chef America: David Kinch vs Bobby Flay (Battle Cabbage) [Re: soochi]
    #14265917 - 04/10/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

LOL, I love how he presented the good old cabbage soup as something ultracuisine and special. Probably costs a lot of $$$ in reasutarants.


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